Why would you purposely take a bolt gun to a fight?
The U.S. Army recognized the value of the auto-loader in combat during WW1 via the Pedersen Device and that was over 100 years ago.
If I'm going to a gun fight that I can plan for, I hope to have an AR and a lot of loaded 30-round magazines in my kit.
The thought experiment assumes you have no other choice. So, the apocalypse happened. You're unarmed. You find an abandoned farm house, and inside there's an extensive collection of bolt guns, along with appropriate ammo. Which one?
Ok I just skimmed through this nonsense...... and my conclusion is a Krag is cool and obviously effective... as displayed by Flave. Granted this wasn't battle but he knows a thing or two about battle rifles...
Now all this talk about Nagants and Tikka's is pure horse schit...... Me being a Mauser guy and being loyal to the design, choose 98 Mouser.... here is a parts gun I threw together, battle rifle was not on my mind when I put this together but on reflection I suspect this would work just fine. Peep sights , 5 round magazine, 338-06, laminate stock.... yep this would work....
Oh and Springfield..... naaa..... inferior copy of the Mouser
Dude! 8mm way over penetrates...Germans proved it.
“Some ideas are so stupid that only intellectuals believe them.” ― G. Orwell
"Why can't men kill big game with the same cartridges women and kids use?" _Eileen Clarke
"Unjust authority confers no obligation of obedience." - Alexander Hamilton
You and 'flave have been eclipsed by gremcat. Loyalties are fragile and subject to change.
mike r
Whaat? gremcat and his Rooger American..... crap, and I thought Tikkers were bad... those Roogers are junk, barely reliable enough for varmints.... Mouser for the win!
Originally Posted by Judman PS, if you think Trump is “good” you’re way stupider than I thought! Haha
Ok I just skimmed through this nonsense...... and my conclusion is a Krag is cool and obviously effective... as displayed by Flave. Granted this wasn't battle but he knows a thing or two about battle rifles...
Now all this talk about Nagants and Tikka's is pure horse schit...... Me being a Mauser guy and being loyal to the design, choose 98 Mouser.... here is a parts gun I threw together, battle rifle was not on my mind when I put this together but on reflection I suspect this would work just fine. Peep sights , 5 round magazine, 338-06, laminate stock.... yep this would work....
Oh and Springfield..... naaa..... inferior copy of the Mouser
Dude! 8mm way over penetrates...Germans proved it.
I wouldn't quote JeffO if I was you.....
Originally Posted by Judman PS, if you think Trump is “good” you’re way stupider than I thought! Haha
Why would you purposely take a bolt gun to a fight?
The U.S. Army recognized the value of the auto-loader in combat during WW1 via the Pedersen Device and that was over 100 years ago.
If I'm going to a gun fight that I can plan for, I hope to have an AR and a lot of loaded 30-round magazines in my kit.
The thought experiment assumes you have no other choice. So, the apocalypse happened. You're unarmed. You find an abandoned farm house, and inside there's an extensive collection of bolt guns, along with appropriate ammo. Which one?
In that scenario, you pick the most accurate rifle, which means a Remington or a Savage. Hopefully, they have a Remington. It's not like you're gonna impress the enemy with novel bullshit.
The only thing worse than a liberal is a liberal that thinks they're a conservative.
Ok I just skimmed through this nonsense...... and my conclusion is a Krag is cool and obviously effective... as displayed by Flave. Granted this wasn't battle but he knows a thing or two about battle rifles...
Now all this talk about Nagants and Tikka's is pure horse schit...... Me being a Mauser guy and being loyal to the design, choose 98 Mouser.... here is a parts gun I threw together, battle rifle was not on my mind when I put this together but on reflection I suspect this would work just fine. Peep sights , 5 round magazine, 338-06, laminate stock.... yep this would work....
Oh and Springfield..... naaa..... inferior copy of the Mouser
Dude! 8mm way over penetrates...Germans proved it.
I wouldn't quote JeffO if I was you.....
OUch...That hurt!
“Some ideas are so stupid that only intellectuals believe them.” ― G. Orwell
"Why can't men kill big game with the same cartridges women and kids use?" _Eileen Clarke
"Unjust authority confers no obligation of obedience." - Alexander Hamilton
Why would you purposely take a bolt gun to a fight?
The U.S. Army recognized the value of the auto-loader in combat during WW1 via the Pedersen Device and that was over 100 years ago.
If I'm going to a gun fight that I can plan for, I hope to have an AR and a lot of loaded 30-round magazines in my kit.
The thought experiment assumes you have no other choice. So, the apocalypse happened. You're unarmed. You find an abandoned farm house, and inside there's an extensive collection of bolt guns, along with appropriate ammo. Which one?
Like the characters in Cormac McCarthy's book THE ROAD?
All variables being equal, I'd pick the rifle that had the most ammo that was powerful enough to kill whatever I might need to kill.
Ok I just skimmed through this nonsense...... and my conclusion is a Krag is cool and obviously effective... as displayed by Flave. Granted this wasn't battle but he knows a thing or two about battle rifles...
Now all this talk about Nagants and Tikka's is pure horse schit...... Me being a Mauser guy and being loyal to the design, choose 98 Mouser.... here is a parts gun I threw together, battle rifle was not on my mind when I put this together but on reflection I suspect this would work just fine. Peep sights , 5 round magazine, 338-06, laminate stock.... yep this would work....
Oh and Springfield..... naaa..... inferior copy of the Mouser
Dude! 8mm way over penetrates...Germans proved it.
I wouldn't quote JeffO if I was you.....
OUch...That hurt!
Sorry buddy.... this place can get a little rough at times.... now atone and admit Mouser is best!
Originally Posted by Judman PS, if you think Trump is “good” you’re way stupider than I thought! Haha
Ok I just skimmed through this nonsense...... and my conclusion is a Krag is cool and obviously effective... as displayed by Flave. Granted this wasn't battle but he knows a thing or two about battle rifles...
Now all this talk about Nagants and Tikka's is pure horse schit...... Me being a Mauser guy and being loyal to the design, choose 98 Mouser.... here is a parts gun I threw together, battle rifle was not on my mind when I put this together but on reflection I suspect this would work just fine. Peep sights , 5 round magazine, 338-06, laminate stock.... yep this would work....
Oh and Springfield..... naaa..... inferior copy of the Mouser
Dude! 8mm way over penetrates...Germans proved it.
I wouldn't quote JeffO if I was you.....
OUch...That hurt!
Sorry buddy.... this place can get a little rough at times.... now atone and admit Mouser is best!
I'm starting my shrine to Peter Paul von Mauser as I type this.
Shrine or not, you are correct though. The M98 be the ticket. Hell, I'd even take m96/m38 if set up to my liking and enough 6.5 swede 140 gr.s for the duration.
“Some ideas are so stupid that only intellectuals believe them.” ― G. Orwell
"Why can't men kill big game with the same cartridges women and kids use?" _Eileen Clarke
"Unjust authority confers no obligation of obedience." - Alexander Hamilton
Ok I just skimmed through this nonsense...... and my conclusion is a Krag is cool and obviously effective... as displayed by Flave. Granted this wasn't battle but he knows a thing or two about battle rifles...
Now all this talk about Nagants and Tikka's is pure horse schit...... Me being a Mauser guy and being loyal to the design, choose 98 Mouser.... here is a parts gun I threw together, battle rifle was not on my mind when I put this together but on reflection I suspect this would work just fine. Peep sights , 5 round magazine, 338-06, laminate stock.... yep this would work....
Oh and Springfield..... naaa..... inferior copy of the Mouser
Dude! 8mm way over penetrates...Germans proved it.
I wouldn't quote JeffO if I was you.....
OUch...That hurt!
Sorry buddy.... this place can get a little rough at times.... now atone and admit Mouser is best!
I'm starting my shrine to Peter Paul von Mauser as I type this.
Shrine or not, you are correct though. The M98 be the ticket. Hell, I'd even take m96/m38 if set up to my liking and enough 6.5 swede 140 gr.s for the duration.
If the Germans weren't such evil fuucktards they would have won the war with that rifle....
Originally Posted by Judman PS, if you think Trump is “good” you’re way stupider than I thought! Haha
Obviously using abolt gun for a short range fire fight against opponents armed with semi-auto cnterfires is generalyy a losing proposition. I f you are running more power than the opponents that can help but not much.
Of the bolt guns I own at the moment, the likely candidate would be my Ruger Gunsite Scout. I have several magazines and that woul be useful in maintaining a volume of fire for a time. Enough for say a 180 round loadout would be burdensome though.
That said, magazines are bulky and eventually need filled. Therein lies a rub. Filling the metal GSR mags is tedious at best, the plastic ones are much easier. If I had a setup where I could use stripper clps with my GSR (and there may be one) it would be helpful in maintaining avolume of fire.
It is much easier to carry stripper clips to refill firearms than loose ammo, they take relatively little space and are very light weight.
While I don't have a Springfield '03 I do have a prewar M70 Standard Grade that has the clip slot and receiver sights. It could be used as well. I actually shoot it a good bit better than the GSR with iron sights.
Thanks for the fun. This is kind of like a discussion like: Which can you fire the most aimed rounds (12 in bull at 25 yards. only bullseyes count). out of in thirty minutes? - A semi auto 9mm with three 15 round magazines andthe remainder loose. OR a 7 shot .357 mag revolver (loaded with .38 Special +P starting with three 7 shot speedloaders speedloaders, three ten round speed dtrips and the remaining ammo loose. That is to say, something to pass the time.
The model 721 Remington also had the stripper clip provision. They actually came with a low comb stock that works very well with open sights. This is interesting to talk about.
You and 'flave have been eclipsed by gremcat. Loyalties are fragile and subject to change.
mike r
Whaat? gremcat and his Rooger American..... crap, and I thought Tikkers were bad... those Roogers are junk, barely reliable enough for varmints.... Mouser for the win!
Hah! You will change your tune when the G-cat shows up w/ his brother...and the hammer. He'll knock your chainsaw 100', w/ you attached.
mike r
Don't wish it were easier Wish you were better
Stab them in the taint, you can't put a tourniquet on that. Craig Douglas ECQC