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Echols Stocks #15735994 02/02/21 Joined: Apr 2011 Posts: 15,297 Northeast USA B beretzs OP Campfire Ranger OP beretzs Campfire Ranger B Joined: Apr 2011 Posts: 15,297 Northeast USA If any of you all would like to order a Legend or Shrike from Darcy now would be a good time to do it. He needs an order of 10 before he can send it to McMillan to have them get out in the queue. I just spoke with him 30 minutes ago and he has 6-7 already so he needs 3-4 more to complete the order. Semper Fi

Re: Echols Stocks beretzs #15736029 02/02/21 Joined: Feb 2011 Posts: 510 Montana H HalH Campfire Regular HalH Campfire Regular H Joined: Feb 2011 Posts: 510 Montana How much are they running ? Hal Last edited by HalH; 02/02/21.

Re: Echols Stocks beretzs #15736038 02/02/21 Joined: Apr 2011 Posts: 15,297 Northeast USA B beretzs OP Campfire Ranger OP beretzs Campfire Ranger B Joined: Apr 2011 Posts: 15,297 Northeast USA Same as before from what I can tell. He didn’t say anything about a price increase. Semper Fi

Re: Echols Stocks beretzs #15736085 02/02/21 Joined: Apr 2005 Posts: 8,087 Adirondack Mountains N nyrifleman Campfire Outfitter nyrifleman Campfire Outfitter N Joined: Apr 2005 Posts: 8,087 Adirondack Mountains Scott, what did you order? “Factio democratica delenda est"

Re: Echols Stocks beretzs #15736206 02/02/21 Joined: Dec 2005 Posts: 2,437 Ct L lone wolf Campfire Regular lone wolf Campfire Regular L Joined: Dec 2005 Posts: 2,437 Ct I also talked to D'arcy yesterday, told me the same thing. Need 10 Legends or 10 Shrikes to place order with McMillan, he said he was thinking of having is own guy do the inletting for now on. With all the changes over at McMillan I would think wait times will come down, but who knows.

Re: Echols Stocks nyrifleman #15736231 02/02/21 Joined: Apr 2011 Posts: 15,297 Northeast USA B beretzs OP Campfire Ranger OP beretzs Campfire Ranger B Joined: Apr 2011 Posts: 15,297 Northeast USA Originally Posted by nyrifleman Scott, what did you order? A Shrike for a Defiant Deviant. Semper Fi

Re: Echols Stocks beretzs #15736362 02/02/21 Joined: Apr 2019 Posts: 6,024 Salmon, Idaho T Tarquin Campfire Tracker Tarquin Campfire Tracker T Joined: Apr 2019 Posts: 6,024 Salmon, Idaho Will they fit a small ring commercial mauser without too much work? Tarquin

Re: Echols Stocks beretzs #15736369 02/02/21 Joined: Apr 2011 Posts: 15,297 Northeast USA B beretzs OP Campfire Ranger OP beretzs Campfire Ranger B Joined: Apr 2011 Posts: 15,297 Northeast USA Not a clue. Semper Fi

Re: Echols Stocks beretzs #15738734 02/03/21 Joined: Sep 2013 Posts: 1,443 VT W Wrangler13 Campfire Regular Wrangler13 Campfire Regular W Joined: Sep 2013 Posts: 1,443 VT Anyone have pictures of these stocks?

Re: Echols Stocks beretzs #15738905 02/03/21 Joined: Apr 2005 Posts: 8,087 Adirondack Mountains N nyrifleman Campfire Outfitter nyrifleman Campfire Outfitter N Joined: Apr 2005 Posts: 8,087 Adirondack Mountains Originally Posted by beretzs Originally Posted by nyrifleman Scott, what did you order? A Shrike for a Defiant Deviant. Whatcha building? “Factio democratica delenda est"

Re: Echols Stocks Wrangler13 #15738976 02/03/21 Joined: Apr 2011 Posts: 15,297 Northeast USA B beretzs OP Campfire Ranger OP beretzs Campfire Ranger B Joined: Apr 2011 Posts: 15,297 Northeast USA Originally Posted by Wrangler13 Anyone have pictures of these stocks? Semper Fi

Re: Echols Stocks nyrifleman #15738983 02/03/21 Joined: Apr 2011 Posts: 15,297 Northeast USA B beretzs OP Campfire Ranger OP beretzs Campfire Ranger B Joined: Apr 2011 Posts: 15,297 Northeast USA Originally Posted by nyrifleman Originally Posted by beretzs Originally Posted by nyrifleman Scott, what did you order? A Shrike for a Defiant Deviant. Whatcha building? Welllllllllll, I believe I’m going to do a 27 Nosler. I got the Deviant with CRF and a 3 POS safety. So it’s my first departure from a Model 70. The Defiance is quite a lot lighter to start with and being a Defiance I should have to pay for so much smithing time to make them square and lighter. Plus they give me the ability to load out to 3.8” without any major tricks. I have quite a lot of time to think about what I’m going to do though. I have a 1-8 .308 Krieger, a 1-10 .358 Krieger and a 270 1-7.5 Krieger. I could change my mind before everything shows up too but if I had them all today it’d be the 27 Nosler. Last edited by beretzs; 02/03/21. Semper Fi

Re: Echols Stocks beretzs #15739159 02/03/21 Joined: Feb 2001 Posts: 8,743 pa dave7mm Campfire Outfitter dave7mm Campfire Outfitter Joined: Feb 2001 Posts: 8,743 pa I predict your going to become a one rifle type of guy. Dave Only accurate rifles are interesting.

Re: Echols Stocks dave7mm #15739174 02/03/21 Joined: Apr 2011 Posts: 15,297 Northeast USA B beretzs OP Campfire Ranger OP beretzs Campfire Ranger B Joined: Apr 2011 Posts: 15,297 Northeast USA Originally Posted by dave7mm I predict your going to become a one rifle type of guy. Dave One rifle for each day maybe.... Semper Fi

Re: Echols Stocks beretzs #15739478 02/03/21 Joined: Apr 2019 Posts: 6,024 Salmon, Idaho T Tarquin Campfire Tracker Tarquin Campfire Tracker T Joined: Apr 2019 Posts: 6,024 Salmon, Idaho Originally Posted by beretzs Originally Posted by Wrangler13 Anyone have pictures of these stocks? What fill is used in your stock to get that weight? Tarquin

Re: Echols Stocks beretzs #15739573 02/03/21 Joined: Apr 2011 Posts: 15,297 Northeast USA B beretzs OP Campfire Ranger OP beretzs Campfire Ranger B Joined: Apr 2011 Posts: 15,297 Northeast USA EDGE shell and EDGE fill. Semper Fi

Re: Echols Stocks beretzs #15739989 02/03/21 Joined: Sep 2013 Posts: 1,443 VT W Wrangler13 Campfire Regular Wrangler13 Campfire Regular W Joined: Sep 2013 Posts: 1,443 VT Is this the shrike or the legend?

Re: Echols Stocks beretzs #15740022 02/03/21 Joined: Jan 2009 Posts: 1,049 L LeftHunter Campfire Regular LeftHunter Campfire Regular L Joined: Jan 2009 Posts: 1,049 I’m gonna go out on a limb and say shrike since it’s inletted for a round action. I need to order one of the legends in left hand if he will still do that

Re: Echols Stocks Wrangler13 #15740030 02/03/21 Joined: Apr 2011 Posts: 15,297 Northeast USA B beretzs OP Campfire Ranger OP beretzs Campfire Ranger B Joined: Apr 2011 Posts: 15,297 Northeast USA Originally Posted by Wrangler13 Is this the shrike or the legend? That’s a SHRIKE. This is a Legend Semper Fi

Re: Echols Stocks LeftHunter #15740034 02/03/21 Joined: Apr 2011 Posts: 15,297 Northeast USA B beretzs OP Campfire Ranger OP beretzs Campfire Ranger B Joined: Apr 2011 Posts: 15,297 Northeast USA Originally Posted by LeftHunter I’m gonna go out on a limb and say shrike since it’s inletted for a round action. I need to order one of the legends in left hand if he will still do that You beat me to it. Semper Fi

Re: Echols Stocks beretzs #15740112 02/03/21 Joined: Mar 2006 Posts: 712 2 264magnum Campfire Regular 264magnum Campfire Regular 2 Joined: Mar 2006 Posts: 712 I have a question for you Legend experts! What’s the weight savings between an edge shell/standard fill and a standard stock? Is there any real advantage over just the standard fiberglass stock? I am looking to build a 300 Win Mag but not really a lightweight and was considering the edge shell/standard fill. Thanks for any input.

Re: Echols Stocks beretzs #15740131 02/03/21 Joined: Nov 2020 Posts: 584 D DBoston Campfire Regular DBoston Campfire Regular D Joined: Nov 2020 Posts: 584 I don't have an Echols but it seems the difference between standard and edge fill weights are less than they used to be with both getting heavier. When the edge fill first came out they didn't recommend if for 300 magnums and over. They later changed that to 338 and then 375.

Re: Echols Stocks beretzs #15740278 02/03/21 Joined: Aug 2004 Posts: 7,578 U utah708 Campfire Outfitter utah708 Campfire Outfitter U Joined: Aug 2004 Posts: 7,578 I would go standard fill. I agree with DBoston that the weight savings is not as dramatic as it used to be. I think you are spending $100 for about 4 oz., and may end up with a mis-balanced gun, depending on the barrel contour and dimensions. Barrel fluting might be a better option.

Re: Echols Stocks beretzs #15740355 02/03/21 Joined: Sep 2005 Posts: 6,377 N.E. Mn./ Mt H handwerk Campfire Tracker handwerk Campfire Tracker H Joined: Sep 2005 Posts: 6,377 N.E. Mn./ Mt The legend on my M70 300 H&H is from about 8 years ago and has edge fill. With the 1" pad it came in at 25 oz. the last couple MCM edge stocks I got, they struggled to keep them under 30 oz. and that was the hunter's edge, so I agree that especially with a 300 mag. I'm not sure it is with the extra dough for edge fill now days.

Re: Echols Stocks beretzs #15740356 02/03/21 Joined: Jul 2003 Posts: 1,161 AL Woodhits Campfire Regular Woodhits Campfire Regular Joined: Jul 2003 Posts: 1,161 AL Here are some additional photos of completed Shrikes:

Re: Echols Stocks beretzs #15741151 02/03/21 Joined: Sep 2013 Posts: 17,865 A AKwolverine Campfire Ranger AKwolverine Campfire Ranger A Joined: Sep 2013 Posts: 17,865 Have the weights on the standard fills been staying consistent or have they been creeping up as well? I don’t think I have ever ordered a standard fill so I have no baseline for comparison.

Re: Echols Stocks AKwolverine #15741950 02/03/21 Joined: Apr 2011 Posts: 15,297 Northeast USA B beretzs OP Campfire Ranger OP beretzs Campfire Ranger B Joined: Apr 2011 Posts: 15,297 Northeast USA Originally Posted by AKwolverine Have the weights on the standard fills been staying consistent or have they been creeping up as well? I don’t think I have ever ordered a standard fill so I have no baseline for comparison. No darned clue. Semper Fi

Re: Echols Stocks beretzs #15742381 02/03/21 Joined: Apr 2006 Posts: 3,323 Tropical Alaska P pabucktail Campfire Tracker pabucktail Campfire Tracker P Joined: Apr 2006 Posts: 3,323 Tropical Alaska His website is pretty lame for information. How much are these things? Can you buy them already inlet and painted or not?

Re: Echols Stocks beretzs #15742556 02/03/21 Joined: Mar 2007 Posts: 9,097 Starman Campfire Outfitter Starman Campfire Outfitter Joined: Mar 2007 Posts: 9,097 You got to cut you own bolt-handle slot and they come raw ..unless things have changed - -Bulletproof and Waterproof don't mean Idiotproof.

Re: Echols Stocks Starman #15742865 02/04/21 Joined: Dec 2005 Posts: 2,437 Ct L lone wolf Campfire Regular lone wolf Campfire Regular L Joined: Dec 2005 Posts: 2,437 Ct Originally Posted by Starman You got to cut you own bolt-handle slot and they come raw ..unless things have changed - When I talked to D'arcy about the stock, he said he didn't like the way McMillan made there bolt cut over sized and preferred to cut them himself. I do believe you can order it with full inlet if you like. The big thing with getting these stocks now is McMillan is making him order 10 at a time. He is running a list, when gets to 10 he will place order.

Re: Echols Stocks pabucktail #15743944 02/04/21 Joined: Jul 2003 Posts: 1,161 AL Woodhits Campfire Regular Woodhits Campfire Regular Joined: Jul 2003 Posts: 1,161 AL Originally Posted by pabucktail His website is pretty lame for information. How much are these things? Can you buy them already inlet and painted or not? He's a one man shop so updating his website is a low priority. Call him and he'll be happy to help you out. You can definitely buy them inletted to your barreled action and I think that paint, pad, studs are available (with McMillan doing that work in-house). I may have that wrong or it might no longer be correct due to the changes in McM's ownership.

Re: Echols Stocks beretzs #15744074 02/04/21 Joined: Apr 2011 Posts: 15,297 Northeast USA B beretzs OP Campfire Ranger OP beretzs Campfire Ranger B Joined: Apr 2011 Posts: 15,297 Northeast USA I looked it up and the last EDGE shell and fill I got was 600. Semper Fi

Re: Echols Stocks beretzs #15744088 02/04/21 Joined: Apr 2005 Posts: 8,087 Adirondack Mountains N nyrifleman Campfire Outfitter nyrifleman Campfire Outfitter N Joined: Apr 2005 Posts: 8,087 Adirondack Mountains Originally Posted by beretzs Originally Posted by nyrifleman Originally Posted by beretzs Originally Posted by nyrifleman Scott, what did you order? A Shrike for a Defiant Deviant. Whatcha building? Welllllllllll, I believe I’m going to do a 27 Nosler. I got the Deviant with CRF and a 3 POS safety. So it’s my first departure from a Model 70. The Defiance is quite a lot lighter to start with and being a Defiance I should have to pay for so much smithing time to make them square and lighter. Plus they give me the ability to load out to 3.8” without any major tricks. I have quite a lot of time to think about what I’m going to do though. I have a 1-8 .308 Krieger, a 1-10 .358 Krieger and a 270 1-7.5 Krieger. I could change my mind before everything shows up too but if I had them all today it’d be the 27 Nosler. A long range 27? Stick will not be happy! “Factio democratica delenda est"

Re: Echols Stocks lone wolf #15744586 02/04/21 Joined: Mar 2007 Posts: 9,097 Starman Campfire Outfitter Starman Campfire Outfitter Joined: Mar 2007 Posts: 9,097 Originally Posted by lone wolf When I talked to D'arcy about the stock, he said he didn't like the way McMillan made there bolt cut over sized and preferred to cut them himself. ... D'Arcy can be a bit suspect on how McM inlet the stock as well, hence they ship to him so he can inspect before out to customer. Seen some Mon. morning/Fri. afternoon inlet jobs , so fully understand the D'Arcy approach . -Bulletproof and Waterproof don't mean Idiotproof.

Re: Echols Stocks beretzs #15744587 02/04/21 Joined: Dec 2004 Posts: 964 J Joezone Campfire Regular Joezone Campfire Regular J Joined: Dec 2004 Posts: 964 Are his Legend stocks best suited for M70 magnum actions/barrels or are they also well suited for say an M70 06 with a standard barrel contour? A wild question would it work with a CZ550 9.3x62? ~Molɔ̀ːn Labé Skýla~

Re: Echols Stocks beretzs #15744650 02/04/21 Joined: Apr 2011 Posts: 15,297 Northeast USA B beretzs OP Campfire Ranger OP beretzs Campfire Ranger B Joined: Apr 2011 Posts: 15,297 Northeast USA They work beautiful on Sporters in my opinion. 270/30-06, 300 Mag, 264, 338. I think they’re “big” for a Featherweight sized gun. 338 Win 375 Improved No idea if they’d work with a 550. I’d be fine with one on a 70 Standard though. It was always sorta my plan to find a beat up 30-06 or 270 and make a Whelen and put it in a Legend. Last edited by beretzs; 02/04/21. Semper Fi

Re: Echols Stocks nyrifleman #15744773 02/04/21 Joined: Apr 2011 Posts: 15,297 Northeast USA B beretzs OP Campfire Ranger OP beretzs Campfire Ranger B Joined: Apr 2011 Posts: 15,297 Northeast USA Originally Posted by nyrifleman Originally Posted by beretzs Originally Posted by nyrifleman Originally Posted by beretzs Originally Posted by nyrifleman Scott, what did you order? A Shrike for a Defiant Deviant. Whatcha building? Welllllllllll, I believe I’m going to do a 27 Nosler. I got the Deviant with CRF and a 3 POS safety. So it’s my first departure from a Model 70. The Defiance is quite a lot lighter to start with and being a Defiance I should have to pay for so much smithing time to make them square and lighter. Plus they give me the ability to load out to 3.8” without any major tricks. I have quite a lot of time to think about what I’m going to do though. I have a 1-8 .308 Krieger, a 1-10 .358 Krieger and a 270 1-7.5 Krieger. I could change my mind before everything shows up too but if I had them all today it’d be the 27 Nosler. A long range 27? Stick will not be happy! I know, I know! I’ve already been asked why not a 28 Nosler and load my bullets backwards to get similar BC, but I’ll struggle with it. 270’s have been working pretty well for me, along with 7mms but a fast 270 is something I’ve always wanted. If I get a wild hair I’ll run the pile of 150 BBCs I have at 3400 just so make old Bob smile some. Semper Fi

Re: Echols Stocks beretzs #15744775 02/04/21 Joined: Dec 2004 Posts: 964 J Joezone Campfire Regular Joezone Campfire Regular J Joined: Dec 2004 Posts: 964 Thanks. Got me thinking. ~Molɔ̀ːn Labé Skýla~

Re: Echols Stocks Joezone #15744836 02/04/21 Joined: Apr 2011 Posts: 15,297 Northeast USA B beretzs OP Campfire Ranger OP beretzs Campfire Ranger B Joined: Apr 2011 Posts: 15,297 Northeast USA Originally Posted by Joezone Thanks. Got me thinking. I’m sure a good stock dude could make it work with a 550 with enough time and materials. They really are quite awesome on magnum chambering that have a little thump. They soak up recoil like nothing else I’ve used. Semper Fi

Re: Echols Stocks Woodhits #15744846 02/04/21 Joined: Apr 2011 Posts: 15,297 Northeast USA B beretzs OP Campfire Ranger OP beretzs Campfire Ranger B Joined: Apr 2011 Posts: 15,297 Northeast USA Originally Posted by Woodhits Here are some additional photos of completed Shrikes: Those are real nice buddy! Great looking killing rifles. Semper Fi

Re: Echols Stocks 264magnum #15745225 02/04/21 Joined: Apr 2011 Posts: 15,297 Northeast USA B beretzs OP Campfire Ranger OP beretzs Campfire Ranger B Joined: Apr 2011 Posts: 15,297 Northeast USA Originally Posted by 264magnum I have a question for you Legend experts! What’s the weight savings between an edge shell/standard fill and a standard stock? Is there any real advantage over just the standard fiberglass stock? I am looking to build a 300 Win Mag but not really a lightweight and was considering the edge shell/standard fill. Thanks for any input. I’d have to pull stocks and weigh some for you but on a 300 I’d at least go EDGE shell, standard fill. It just depends on what you want in the finished rifle. If weight doesn’t bother or matter than a standard is fine. As far as I know he doesn’t charge differently between the different fills either. At least he hasn’t in the past. Semper Fi

Re: Echols Stocks beretzs #15770445 02/10/21 Joined: Mar 2006 Posts: 712 2 264magnum Campfire Regular 264magnum Campfire Regular 2 Joined: Mar 2006 Posts: 712 Thanks beretzs! I was just curious but can’t imagine the edge shell would save more than a few ounces. From what I read it’s a little stiffer than a standard stock as well?!? Does the Echols stock seem too big in the forend for say a #2 Krieger? Thanks again for any input. Trying to assemble the parts for an 8lb 300 Win Mag Classic. Weight would include scope mounts but no scope. Last edited by 264magnum; 02/10/21.

Re: Echols Stocks 264magnum #15770522 02/10/21 Joined: Apr 2012 Posts: 819 los �ngeles E ejo Campfire Regular ejo Campfire Regular E Joined: Apr 2012 Posts: 819 los �ngeles Originally Posted by 264magnum Thanks beretzs! I was just curious but can’t imagine the edge shell would save more than a few ounces. From what I read it’s a little stiffer than a standard stock as well?!? Does the Echols stock seem too big in the forend for say a #2 Krieger? Thanks again for any input. Trying to assemble the parts for an 8lb 300 Win Mag Classic. Weight would include scope mounts but no scope. I plan to put a #2 in a Legend for a sub 8# 300 on a m70. Still waiting on the legend which will be my third. I like the edge shell with appropriate fill.

Re: Echols Stocks beretzs #15772049 02/10/21 Joined: Mar 2008 Posts: 3,493 R RinB Campfire Tracker RinB Campfire Tracker R Joined: Mar 2008 Posts: 3,493 The weight of McM Edge stocks has increased over the past 10 years. I don’t know if it is the shell or the fill. Mr Echols has repeatedly told me that they are heavier. Some order an Edge shell with standard fill. There is a belief by some that the full on Edge/Edge stocks result in a rifle that can be a little persnickety to tune for groups. I haven’t observed that phenomenon but some have. At one time Mr Echols preferred the slightly heavier Edge/Standard for the 300’s but that may have changed due to the weight creep. To get an 8# rifle with mounts but no scope you need to keep the barrel contour in the range of a Douglas #2. The Bartlien 2B is too heavy. Compare their dimensions to the Kreiger #2. “Perfection is achieved not when there is nothing more to add, but when there is nothing left to take away”. Antoine de Saint-Exupery. Posted by Brad.

Re: Echols Stocks beretzs #15777995 02/12/21 Joined: Aug 2006 Posts: 860 J John55 Campfire Regular John55 Campfire Regular J Joined: Aug 2006 Posts: 860 Yep, the weight of an all Edge Legend has crept up 5-6oz over the past several years. If I wanted to keep a new build to 8 pounds sans scope I'd be looking at an all Edge stock and a #1 barrel contour, or a #2 at most. My last build with a #2 Bartlien and all Edge Legend hits just under 8 sans scope. The Hunter's Edge is a lighter stock by several ounces and using it would allow a larger barrel contour or a heavier scope.

Re: Echols Stocks beretzs #15778221 02/12/21 Joined: Jan 2008 Posts: 5,464 jennings lodge, oregon Oregonmuley Campfire Tracker Oregonmuley Campfire Tracker Joined: Jan 2008 Posts: 5,464 jennings lodge, oregon When you guys are talking about building rifles that are in the 8lb range naked what action are using?? I've had 7-8 rifles built - most on Remington actions but also one with a Borden all with Classic Edge stocks and all with either a Brux #3 or a Bartlein 2b and all have come in under 6.5lbs. With scope and rings/bases I'm still under 8 lbs on all of them. I just had one done and a 2nd one in the works with a Bart CF wrapped barrel and a Defiance action that is a hair under 6 lbs naked so it seems it would be pretty easy to build under 8lbs even with the heavier Edge stocks. "Rather hunt Mule deer than anything else" "Team 7MM-08"

Re: Echols Stocks Oregonmuley #15778509 02/12/21 Joined: Jul 2001 Posts: 8,759 M MtnHtr Campfire Outfitter MtnHtr Campfire Outfitter M Joined: Jul 2001 Posts: 8,759 Originally Posted by Oregonmuley When you guys are talking about building rifles that are in the 8lb range naked what action are using?? I've had 7-8 rifles built - most on Remington actions but also one with a Borden all with Classic Edge stocks and all with either a Brux #3 or a Bartlein 2b and all have come in under 6.5lbs. With scope and rings/bases I'm still under 8 lbs on all of them. I just had one done and a 2nd one in the works with a Bart CF wrapped barrel and a Defiance action that is a hair under 6 lbs naked so it seems it would be pretty easy to build under 8lbs even with the heavier Edge stocks. OR, They are referring to Win 70 long actions and/or Darcy Echol's Legend actions used on the Legend stock designed by Darcy and offered by McMillan. The actions along with Darcy's steel custom scope mounts weigh considerably more than a custom built on a Rem action. Hope this helps.

Re: Echols Stocks MtnHtr #15778521 02/12/21 Joined: Jan 2008 Posts: 5,464 jennings lodge, oregon Oregonmuley Campfire Tracker Oregonmuley Campfire Tracker Joined: Jan 2008 Posts: 5,464 jennings lodge, oregon Originally Posted by MtnHtr Originally Posted by Oregonmuley When you guys are talking about building rifles that are in the 8lb range naked what action are using?? I've had 7-8 rifles built - most on Remington actions but also one with a Borden all with Classic Edge stocks and all with either a Brux #3 or a Bartlein 2b and all have come in under 6.5lbs. With scope and rings/bases I'm still under 8 lbs on all of them. I just had one done and a 2nd one in the works with a Bart CF wrapped barrel and a Defiance action that is a hair under 6 lbs naked so it seems it would be pretty easy to build under 8lbs even with the heavier Edge stocks. OR, They are referring to Win 70 long actions and/or Darcy Echol's Legend actions used on the Legend stock designed by Darcy and offered by McMillan. The actions along with Darcy's steel custom scope mounts weigh considerably more than a custom built on a Rem action. Hope this helps. Thanks - kind of thought that might be it but wasn't sure. "Rather hunt Mule deer than anything else" "Team 7MM-08"

Re: Echols Stocks beretzs #15778539 02/12/21 Joined: Aug 2006 Posts: 860 J John55 Campfire Regular John55 Campfire Regular J Joined: Aug 2006 Posts: 860 Mine are all built on either pre ‘64 70s or the newer Classic 70 actions. The lightest one is a 9.3x62 that has factory bottom metal and cross slot bases. Scoped with a 6x36 Leupold it weighs 8 on the nose.

Re: Echols Stocks beretzs #15778949 02/12/21 Joined: Dec 2004 Posts: 10,344 Poetry, Texas B butchlambert1 Campfire Outfitter butchlambert1 Campfire Outfitter B Joined: Dec 2004 Posts: 10,344 Poetry, Texas I hope that I did this right. I sent my order for a Shrike to Mr Echols to add to this order. Mine will be for my 700 in 338 RUM.

Re: Echols Stocks beretzs #15778994 02/12/21 Joined: Aug 2006 Posts: 860 J John55 Campfire Regular John55 Campfire Regular J Joined: Aug 2006 Posts: 860 Can’t imagine a better stock for that type of rifle. You get Edge shell with magnum fill?

Re: Echols Stocks Woodhits #15779895 02/12/21 Joined: Sep 2008 Posts: 1,168 Florida J JRS3 Campfire Regular JRS3 Campfire Regular J Joined: Sep 2008 Posts: 1,168 Florida Originally Posted by Woodhits Here are some additional photos of completed Shrikes: I have had a chance to try out those rifles. The top setup is about ideal for an all around, North American rifle as it gets. For deer and similar, the 2nd handles like a dream. The weight, portability, and handling of it is fantastic. The stock is very well thought out as you would imagine, coming from D'Arcy, but they really are fantastic hunting builds.

Re: Echols Stocks beretzs #15780329 02/12/21 Joined: Mar 2006 Posts: 712 2 264magnum Campfire Regular 264magnum Campfire Regular 2 Joined: Mar 2006 Posts: 712 I guess you experts can give your opinions on the finished weight of this build. Winchester 70 Classic in 300 Win Mag, 24” #2.5 Krieger which is .615 at the muzzle, Edge shell/standard fill stock, Blackburn bottom metal and Leupold dual dovetails. Any chance this comes in at 8lbs with bases/low rings mounted? Thanks in advance.

Re: Echols Stocks lone wolf #15780433 02/12/21 Joined: Nov 2010 Posts: 37,088 Central Louisiana D Dirtfarmer Campfire 'Bwana Dirtfarmer Campfire 'Bwana D Joined: Nov 2010 Posts: 37,088 Central Louisiana Originally Posted by lone wolf Originally Posted by Starman You got to cut you own bolt-handle slot and they come raw ..unless things have changed - When I talked to D'arcy about the stock, he said he didn't like the way McMillan made there bolt cut over sized and preferred to cut them himself. I do believe you can order it with full inlet if you like. The big thing with getting these stocks now is McMillan is making him order 10 at a time. He is running a list, when gets to 10 he will place order. Originally Posted by lone wolf [quote=Starman]You got to cut you own bolt-handle slot and they come raw ..unless things have changed - I agree with D’Arcy. I don’t like the way McM cuts their bolt handle slot, either. Too big, sloppy fit. I fill mine, cut to fit the handle. On my Legend, I cut the bolt handle slot to fit. Worked out great, not a chore to do that. D’Arcy milled a Williams bottom metal inlet. Fit was Echols perfect. For him to do all the inletting would suit me. DF

Re: Echols Stocks beretzs #15780482 02/12/21 Joined: Aug 2006 Posts: 860 J John55 Campfire Regular John55 Campfire Regular J Joined: Aug 2006 Posts: 860 264- I think you’ll be close with those components but probably won’t be under 8. A friend just had Gene Simillion build him a 300 Win mag. Used Legend with Edge shell and regular fill, 24” Krieger #2, Blackburn bottom metal and Gene’s custom steel mounts. With a 3.5-10 Leupold it hits 9lbs even. Take off the scope and it’s about 8.25 lbs. Last edited by John55; 02/12/21.

Re: Echols Stocks John55 #15780718 02/12/21 Joined: Apr 2012 Posts: 819 los �ngeles E ejo Campfire Regular ejo Campfire Regular E Joined: Apr 2012 Posts: 819 los �ngeles Originally Posted by John55 264- I think you’ll be close with those components but probably won’t be under 8. A friend just had Gene Simillion build him a 300 Win mag. Used Legend with Edge shell and regular fill, 24” Krieger #2, Blackburn bottom metal and Gene’s custom steel mounts. With a 3.5-10 Leupold it hits 9lbs even. Take off the scope and it’s about 8.25 lbs. The Blackburn metal is nice but heavy. If you want it under 8 you should go aluminum (drop 4 oz) and a #2 Krieger. I’ve weighted these parts since I have them sitting here for a build and this is the only way you can make it under 8#s

Re: Echols Stocks beretzs #15780753 02/12/21 Joined: Mar 2006 Posts: 712 2 264magnum Campfire Regular 264magnum Campfire Regular 2 Joined: Mar 2006 Posts: 712 Thanks guys! Anyone have a picture from the top of a #2 barrel in the Echols legend? There is a lot of meat up front in that stock!

Re: Echols Stocks beretzs #15780780 02/12/21 Joined: Mar 2001 Posts: 4,584 East Kootenays, BC RickF Campfire Tracker RickF Campfire Tracker Joined: Mar 2001 Posts: 4,584 East Kootenays, BC Not quite from the top, but the front rifle is a Krieger 24” #2, 0.604” muzzle diameter. It fits extremely well in the legend. The rear rifle is a Brux #3. Last edited by RickF; 02/12/21. Anybody who seriously concerns themselves with the adequacy of a Big 7mm for anything we hunt here short of brown bear, is a dufus. They are mostly making shidt up. Crunch! Nite-nite! Stolen from an erudite CF member.

Re: Echols Stocks John55 #15781598 02/13/21 Joined: Dec 2004 Posts: 10,344 Poetry, Texas B butchlambert1 Campfire Outfitter butchlambert1 Campfire Outfitter B Joined: Dec 2004 Posts: 10,344 Poetry, Texas Originally Posted by John55 Can’t imagine a better stock for that type of rifle. You get Edge shell with magnum fill? John, Mr Echols thought the glass stock with magnum fill would be best in my case. I have a way too light Brown Kevlar stocked Pierce TI in 280AI and it is not pleasant to shoot.

Re: Echols Stocks beretzs #15782390 02/13/21 Joined: Aug 2006 Posts: 860 J John55 Campfire Regular John55 Campfire Regular J Joined: Aug 2006 Posts: 860 Butch, only you know what your recoil tolerance is! If you’re not gonna pack it in the mountains then it’ll be fine. The older I get the more I prefer lighter rifles, darn mountains just seem to get steeper with each passing season!

Re: Echols Stocks John55 #15782473 02/13/21 Joined: Nov 2010 Posts: 37,088 Central Louisiana D Dirtfarmer Campfire 'Bwana Dirtfarmer Campfire 'Bwana D Joined: Nov 2010 Posts: 37,088 Central Louisiana Originally Posted by John55 Butch, only you know what your recoil tolerance is! If you’re not gonna pack it in the mountains then it’ll be fine. The older I get the more I prefer lighter rifles, darn mountains just seem to get steeper with each passing season! I reckon you pack it a lot more than you shoot it. But, I don’t like really light rifles, especially chambered in serious rounds. Good bud and very successful hunter loves the Sendero. I asked him why he used such heavy rifles. His comment, “I know what it’ll do when I get it there”. That includes about everything from WT’s and pronghorns to PG in Africa. Works for him and he’s no youngster. His two fav are .270 and 7RM. DF

Re: Echols Stocks beretzs #15782846 02/13/21 Joined: Aug 2006 Posts: 860 J John55 Campfire Regular John55 Campfire Regular J Joined: Aug 2006 Posts: 860 To each his own when it comes to cartridges and rifles. Recoil has never bothered me but lugging an artillery piece up a steep mountain sure has!

Re: Echols Stocks beretzs #15782965 02/13/21 Joined: Dec 2004 Posts: 10,344 Poetry, Texas B butchlambert1 Campfire Outfitter butchlambert1 Campfire Outfitter B Joined: Dec 2004 Posts: 10,344 Poetry, Texas John, at almost 79yrs old I won't be climbing a mountain for sheep. I am not macho enough to say I shoot all calibers and rifles without some recoil bothering me. Lots of factors involved in recoil.

Re: Echols Stocks beretzs #15783039 02/13/21 Joined: Mar 2006 Posts: 712 2 264magnum Campfire Regular 264magnum Campfire Regular 2 Joined: Mar 2006 Posts: 712 Thanks for all the help! Anyone know the difference between a Williams BM and a Blackburn off the top of their head? I’m doing some parts weighing today and have a Williams but not the Blackburn on hand. Thanks for the pic Rick!

Re: Echols Stocks beretzs #15783135 02/13/21 Joined: Aug 2006 Posts: 860 J John55 Campfire Regular John55 Campfire Regular J Joined: Aug 2006 Posts: 860 I’ve heard the Williams unit weighs 3-4oz but have never used it so don’t take my word on that! Butch, I had a 300 RUM built up several years back. I made it heavy for using on the range and for flat country hunts. IIRC it weighed about 10 pounds with the big NF scope. It was very tolerable in that guise, even when launching 230gr Bergers at 3000 FPS. When I replaced that scope and lost over a pound it still was easily shootable. It’s definitely a fast and hard kicker but it’s also an awesome hunting cartridge for elk and other large game.

Re: Echols Stocks beretzs #15783842 02/13/21 Joined: Jul 2010 Posts: 1,694 P pathfinder76 Campfire Regular pathfinder76 Campfire Regular P Joined: Jul 2010 Posts: 1,694 I’ve got a pair of Model 70’s in early Echols edge stocks. Both are all steel in construction and both weigh under 8lbs scoped. One has Williams bottom metal and the other a Blackburn unit and both wear #2 contour barrels. Last edited by pathfinder76; 02/13/21.

Re: Echols Stocks 264magnum #15784022 02/13/21 Joined: Sep 2013 Posts: 17,865 A AKwolverine Campfire Ranger AKwolverine Campfire Ranger A Joined: Sep 2013 Posts: 17,865 Originally Posted by John55 I’ve heard the Williams unit weighs 3-4oz but have never used it so don’t take my word on that! About double that. 6.75 oz LA Williams Ob. Originally Posted by 264magnum Thanks for all the help! Anyone know the difference between a Williams BM and a Blackburn off the top of their head? I’m doing some parts weighing today and have a Williams but not the Blackburn on hand. Thanks for the pic Rick! 7.10 oz LA Blackburn, so less than half an ounce more than a Williams.

Re: Echols Stocks beretzs #15784178 02/13/21 Joined: Mar 2006 Posts: 712 2 264magnum Campfire Regular 264magnum Campfire Regular 2 Joined: Mar 2006 Posts: 712 Thanks so much guys!

Re: Echols Stocks beretzs #15784271 02/13/21 Joined: Aug 2006 Posts: 860 J John55 Campfire Regular John55 Campfire Regular J Joined: Aug 2006 Posts: 860 Is the Williams BM you weighed an aluminum or steel unit?

Re: Echols Stocks beretzs #15784297 02/13/21 Joined: Sep 2013 Posts: 17,865 A AKwolverine Campfire Ranger AKwolverine Campfire Ranger A Joined: Sep 2013 Posts: 17,865 Steel; I’m not aware that they made an aluminum unit.

Re: Echols Stocks beretzs #15784300 02/13/21 Joined: Sep 2005 Posts: 6,377 N.E. Mn./ Mt H handwerk Campfire Tracker handwerk Campfire Tracker H Joined: Sep 2005 Posts: 6,377 N.E. Mn./ Mt John55, it will be steel, the info you've gotten seems to be spot on. My 300 H&H Pre 64 M70 Echols legend/edge fill, #2 Lilja @24", factory steel BM, swaro Z3 3-10x42 in S&K mounts comes in at 7 3/4 lbs. unloaded with sling.

Re: Echols Stocks AKwolverine #15784728 02/13/21 Joined: Aug 2006 Posts: 860 J John55 Campfire Regular John55 Campfire Regular J Joined: Aug 2006 Posts: 860 Yes, they do make their BM in aluminum for the Classic actions. That’s what I was referring to. Only steel for the pre ‘64s. Last edited by John55; 02/13/21.

Re: Echols Stocks John55 #15785353 02/13/21 Joined: Sep 2013 Posts: 17,865 A AKwolverine Campfire Ranger AKwolverine Campfire Ranger A Joined: Sep 2013 Posts: 17,865 Originally Posted by John55 Yes, they do make their BM in aluminum for the Classic actions. That’s what I was referring to. Only steel for the pre ‘64s. Williams isn’t making anything anymore; unfortunately. PT&G will be your least expensive bet for non oem aluminum one piece bottom metal for the classics - and those do weigh in at roughly half the Williams steel unit.

Re: Echols Stocks beretzs #15785568 02/14/21 Joined: Aug 2006 Posts: 860 J John55 Campfire Regular John55 Campfire Regular J Joined: Aug 2006 Posts: 860 I see that Sunny Hill makes a nice looking 1 piece unit in steel or aluminum for the Classic actions.

Re: Echols Stocks John55 #15785964 02/14/21 Joined: Apr 2012 Posts: 819 los �ngeles E ejo Campfire Regular ejo Campfire Regular E Joined: Apr 2012 Posts: 819 los �ngeles Originally Posted by John55 I see that Sunny Hill makes a nice looking 1 piece unit in steel or aluminum for the Classic actions. I struggled to get Sunny Hill on the phone last year and ended up purchasing PT&A aluminum which weighs a bit over 2 oz. I like Williams (now closed) and Blackburn bottom metal much more but the weight savings might be worth it to you.

Re: Echols Stocks beretzs #15786385 02/14/21 Joined: Aug 2006 Posts: 860 J John55 Campfire Regular John55 Campfire Regular J Joined: Aug 2006 Posts: 860 I’ve never used aluminum 1pc metal, always used Blackburn steel units. Have used factory 2pc aluminum and compared to steel it’s 5oz lighter. Just depends on how light you want the rifle!

Re: Echols Stocks John55 #15788205 02/14/21 Joined: Sep 2013 Posts: 17,865 A AKwolverine Campfire Ranger AKwolverine Campfire Ranger A Joined: Sep 2013 Posts: 17,865 Originally Posted by John55 Yes, they do make their BM in aluminum for the Classic actions. That’s what I was referring to. Only steel for the pre ‘64s. John, I dug a little deeper into this last night including looking back at several of Matt Williams posts from here (he used to post as triggerguard). Still not finding anything on Williams aluminum one piece bottom metal for m70 classics. Can you post a link where you have seen them or seen them discussed? I would be quite interested as I have a couple McMillan’s that are inlet for the Williams bottom metal and I am always looking to shed some weight from m70s - although I’ll acknowledge that finding any Williams bottom metal since the closure is nearly impossible. Thanks!

Re: Echols Stocks beretzs #15788251 02/14/21 Joined: Aug 2006 Posts: 860 J John55 Campfire Regular John55 Campfire Regular J Joined: Aug 2006 Posts: 860 I was writing Williams but thinking Sunny Hill! Sorry for the confusion, I never caught it until your post.

Re: Echols Stocks John55 #15788276 02/14/21 Joined: Sep 2013 Posts: 17,865 A AKwolverine Campfire Ranger AKwolverine Campfire Ranger A Joined: Sep 2013 Posts: 17,865 Originally Posted by John55 I was writing Williams but thinking Sunny Hill! Sorry for the confusion, I never caught it until your post. Ah! 👍

Re: Echols Stocks beretzs #15788698 02/14/21 Joined: Aug 2006 Posts: 860 J John55 Campfire Regular John55 Campfire Regular J Joined: Aug 2006 Posts: 860 My son is getting a 70 built up and will be using the Sunny Hill aluminum BM. I’ll get a good look at it then. The gunsmith seemed very positive about it so we shall see! Last edited by John55; 02/14/21.

Re: Echols Stocks beretzs #15839883 02/26/21 Joined: Dec 2004 Posts: 10,344 Poetry, Texas B butchlambert1 Campfire Outfitter butchlambert1 Campfire Outfitter B Joined: Dec 2004 Posts: 10,344 Poetry, Texas You might try Duane Wiebe. I have some of his and ain't no better.

Re: Echols Stocks butchlambert1 #15841712 02/26/21 Joined: Mar 2007 Posts: 9,097 Starman Campfire Outfitter Starman Campfire Outfitter Joined: Mar 2007 Posts: 9,097 Originally Posted by butchlambert1 You might try Duane Wiebe. I have some of his and ain't no better. Like I told you in the past, You really need to get out more and you might discover what top notch bottom metal actually looks like. After you claimed an ultralight rifle can't approach 4 1/2 lbs unless one excludes the barrel, it told me all I need to know about you when it comes to rifle rifle building advice...such ignorance despite such custom UL rifles being available for decades. -Bulletproof and Waterproof don't mean Idiotproof.

Re: Echols Stocks 264magnum #15842211 02/27/21 Joined: Apr 2005 Posts: 8,087 Adirondack Mountains N nyrifleman Campfire Outfitter nyrifleman Campfire Outfitter N Joined: Apr 2005 Posts: 8,087 Adirondack Mountains Originally Posted by 264magnum I guess you experts can give your opinions on the finished weight of this build. Winchester 70 Classic in 300 Win Mag, 24” #2.5 Krieger which is .615 at the muzzle, Edge shell/standard fill stock, Blackburn bottom metal and Leupold dual dovetails. Any chance this comes in at 8lbs with bases/low rings mounted? Thanks in advance. 264, i just had my .300 RUM returned to me after bedding. M70 Classic Stainless, PT&G aluminum bottom metal, Talley LW, Swarovski Z5 3.5-18x44 McMillan "Bridges" Edge fill. 8 lb 0.8oz. Not a typo. 6lb 14.4oz nekkid. “Factio democratica delenda est"

Re: Echols Stocks Starman #15842569 02/27/21 Joined: Dec 2004 Posts: 10,344 Poetry, Texas B butchlambert1 Campfire Outfitter butchlambert1 Campfire Outfitter B Joined: Dec 2004 Posts: 10,344 Poetry, Texas Originally Posted by Starman Originally Posted by butchlambert1 You might try Duane Wiebe. I have some of his and ain't no better. Like I told you in the past, You really need to get out more and you might discover what top notch bottom metal actually looks like. After you claimed an ultralight rifle can't approach 4 1/2 lbs unless one excludes the barrel, it told me all I need to know about you when it comes to rifle rifle building advice...such ignorance despite such custom UL rifles being available for decades. Well Mr All Knowing. In all of your vast experience, what would you recommend?

Re: Echols Stocks butchlambert1 #15842827 02/27/21 Joined: Apr 2005 Posts: 8,087 Adirondack Mountains N nyrifleman Campfire Outfitter nyrifleman Campfire Outfitter N Joined: Apr 2005 Posts: 8,087 Adirondack Mountains Originally Posted by butchlambert1 Originally Posted by Starman Originally Posted by butchlambert1 You might try Duane Wiebe. I have some of his and ain't no better. Like I told you in the past, You really need to get out more and you might discover what top notch bottom metal actually looks like. After you claimed an ultralight rifle can't approach 4 1/2 lbs unless one excludes the barrel, it told me all I need to know about you when it comes to rifle rifle building advice...such ignorance despite such custom UL rifles being available for decades. Well Mr All Knowing. In all of your vast experience, what would you recommend? And please, very interested in pics of your custom builds. “Factio democratica delenda est"

Re: Echols Stocks nyrifleman #15842844 02/27/21 Joined: Dec 2004 Posts: 10,344 Poetry, Texas B butchlambert1 Campfire Outfitter butchlambert1 Campfire Outfitter B Joined: Dec 2004 Posts: 10,344 Poetry, Texas Originally Posted by nyrifleman Originally Posted by butchlambert1 Originally Posted by Starman Originally Posted by butchlambert1 You might try Duane Wiebe. I have some of his and ain't no better. Like I told you in the past, You really need to get out more and you might discover what top notch bottom metal actually looks like. After you claimed an ultralight rifle can't approach 4 1/2 lbs unless one excludes the barrel, it told me all I need to know about you when it comes to rifle rifle building advice...such ignorance despite such custom UL rifles being available for decades. Well Mr All Knowing. In all of your vast experience, what would you recommend? And please, very interested in pics of your custom builds. So you have seen none of mine or are you speaking of Starstruck?

Re: Echols Stocks beretzs #15842932 02/27/21 Joined: Apr 2005 Posts: 8,087 Adirondack Mountains N nyrifleman Campfire Outfitter nyrifleman Campfire Outfitter N Joined: Apr 2005 Posts: 8,087 Adirondack Mountains I've seen and admired many of yours Butch. That was for Starman, I'm always interested in visual inspiration for future builds. “Factio democratica delenda est"

Re: Echols Stocks beretzs #15843041 02/27/21 Joined: Dec 2004 Posts: 10,344 Poetry, Texas B butchlambert1 Campfire Outfitter butchlambert1 Campfire Outfitter B Joined: Dec 2004 Posts: 10,344 Poetry, Texas Right now I have a 223 on a 700 that I need to bed this weekend to finish, waiting on a 308 that is out for cerrokote and it will fill a McMillan Tactical stock, and the 338 that I'm gathering parts for. Hopefully Mr. Echols will not have a huge waiting time on the stocks. I just made a suggestion to Mr Starguy about a quality bottom metal and for some reason it bothered him. Last edited by butchlambert1; 02/27/21.

Re: Echols Stocks nyrifleman #15852493 03/01/21 Joined: Apr 2011 Posts: 15,297 Northeast USA B beretzs OP Campfire Ranger OP beretzs Campfire Ranger B Joined: Apr 2011 Posts: 15,297 Northeast USA Originally Posted by nyrifleman Originally Posted by 264magnum I guess you experts can give your opinions on the finished weight of this build. Winchester 70 Classic in 300 Win Mag, 24” #2.5 Krieger which is .615 at the muzzle, Edge shell/standard fill stock, Blackburn bottom metal and Leupold dual dovetails. Any chance this comes in at 8lbs with bases/low rings mounted? Thanks in advance. 264, i just had my .300 RUM returned to me after bedding. M70 Classic Stainless, PT&G aluminum bottom metal, Talley LW, Swarovski Z5 3.5-18x44 McMillan "Bridges" Edge fill. 8 lb 0.8oz. Not a typo. 6lb 14.4oz nekkid. That’s going to be a wicked rifle buddy. I’m a little Jealous I didn’t order a Bridges for mine. I just sent my Supergrade to Weaver to get an EDGE shelled Legend that came off my Mashburn put on it. Hoping to be under 9 with the NF Compact. Semper Fi

Re: Echols Stocks beretzs #15857621 03/03/21 Joined: Feb 2005 Posts: 9,472 Billings, Montana B BWalker Campfire Outfitter BWalker Campfire Outfitter B Joined: Feb 2005 Posts: 9,472 Billings, Montana I have a 300 rum based off a model 70 classic magnum action, William's SS Oberndorf BM, 25" #3 Rock, Talley LW and a Zeiss conquest 4.5-14. It weighs just a hair over 8lb.

Re: Echols Stocks BWalker #15857715 03/03/21 Joined: Apr 2011 Posts: 15,297 Northeast USA B beretzs OP Campfire Ranger OP beretzs Campfire Ranger B Joined: Apr 2011 Posts: 15,297 Northeast USA Originally Posted by BWalker I have a 300 rum based off a model 70 classic magnum action, William's SS Oberndorf BM, 25" #3 Rock, Talley LW and a Zeiss conquest 4.5-14. It weighs just a hair over 8lb. That's about what I am going for. I'd be happier than a clam for it to come in under 9. I am keeping the Supergrade 1 piece metal for now. Semper Fi

Re: Echols Stocks beretzs #15858157 03/03/21 Joined: Mar 2006 Posts: 712 2 264magnum Campfire Regular 264magnum Campfire Regular 2 Joined: Mar 2006 Posts: 712 Thanks for all the input guys. I’m going with a Legend Edge shell/standard fill, Blackburn BM, modified #2 Krieger at 24”, and dual dovetail mounts. I’m hoping it ends up not too far north of 8lbs with bases/rings. We will see I guess!

Re: Echols Stocks butchlambert1 #15858280 03/03/21 Joined: Dec 2005 Posts: 671 Texas R RifleDude Campfire Regular RifleDude Campfire Regular R Joined: Dec 2005 Posts: 671 Texas Originally Posted by butchlambert1 I hope that I did this right. I sent my order for a Shrike to Mr Echols to add to this order. Mine will be for my 700 in 338 RUM. Hello Butch, I recently completed a build on a Borden Alpine Magnum short action in 7mm WSM with the Echols Shrike stock and was extremely pleased with the stock. I agree the bolt handle slot was larger than I would have preferred as mentioned in another post. I wrapped tape around my bolt handle, coated with release agent, filled the existing slot with bedding epoxy, closed the bolt into the epoxy, letting some squeeze out. After epoxy cured, I sanded the protruding epoxy level with stock surface. After painting the stock, you can't tell it wasn't originally made for that exact action. I now have a clean, close-fitting slot with just enough clearance to slide a piece of paper between stock and bolt handle. Ted

Re: Echols Stocks RifleDude #15858829 03/03/21 Joined: Dec 2004 Posts: 10,344 Poetry, Texas B butchlambert1 Campfire Outfitter butchlambert1 Campfire Outfitter B Joined: Dec 2004 Posts: 10,344 Poetry, Texas Originally Posted by RifleDude Originally Posted by butchlambert1 I hope that I did this right. I sent my order for a Shrike to Mr Echols to add to this order. Mine will be for my 700 in 338 RUM. Hello Butch, I recently completed a build on a Borden Alpine Magnum short action in 7mm WSM with the Echols Shrike stock and was extremely pleased with the stock. I agree the bolt handle slot was larger than I would have preferred as mentioned in another post. I wrapped tape around my bolt handle, coated with release agent, filled the existing slot with bedding epoxy, closed the bolt into the epoxy, letting some squeeze out. After epoxy cured, I sanded the protruding epoxy level with stock surface. After painting the stock, you can't tell it wasn't originally made for that exact action. I now have a clean, close-fitting slot with just enough clearance to slide a piece of paper between stock and bolt handle. Thanks Ted, he needs a couple more 700s to complete his Shrike order.

Re: Echols Stocks butchlambert1 #15858879 03/03/21 Joined: Sep 2013 Posts: 17,865 A AKwolverine Campfire Ranger AKwolverine Campfire Ranger A Joined: Sep 2013 Posts: 17,865 Originally Posted by butchlambert1 Thanks Ted, he needs a couple more 700s to complete his Shrike order. When he gets back to me, he will have them. And no disrespect; I know how busy he is. Have spoken with him before and he was fantastic and took extra time detailing something for me even though I wasn’t buying anything at the time.

Re: Echols Stocks AKwolverine #15862655 03/04/21 Joined: Dec 2004 Posts: 10,344 Poetry, Texas B butchlambert1 Campfire Outfitter butchlambert1 Campfire Outfitter B Joined: Dec 2004 Posts: 10,344 Poetry, Texas Originally Posted by AKwolverine Originally Posted by butchlambert1 Thanks Ted, he needs a couple more 700s to complete his Shrike order. When he gets back to me, he will have them. And no disrespect; I know how busy he is. Have spoken with him before and he was fantastic and took extra time detailing something for me even though I wasn’t buying anything at the time. That's great. I have a wait for my March scope, hopefully the will show up about the same time.

Re: Echols Stocks beretzs #15962589 04/01/21 Joined: Dec 2015 Posts: 1,648 Central Texas E eamyrick Campfire Regular eamyrick Campfire Regular E Joined: Dec 2015 Posts: 1,648 Central Texas Will the legend stocks work with a pre-64 action? Thinking about 300 h&h in case I get the urge to rebarrel to 375 later.

Re: Echols Stocks eamyrick #15962618 04/01/21 Joined: Apr 2011 Posts: 15,297 Northeast USA B beretzs OP Campfire Ranger OP beretzs Campfire Ranger B Joined: Apr 2011 Posts: 15,297 Northeast USA Originally Posted by eamyrick Will the legend stocks work with a pre-64 action? Thinking about 300 h&h in case I get the urge to rebarrel to 375 later. Yes sir Semper Fi

Re: Echols Stocks beretzs #15964014 04/02/21 Joined: Dec 2004 Posts: 10,344 Poetry, Texas B butchlambert1 Campfire Outfitter butchlambert1 Campfire Outfitter B Joined: Dec 2004 Posts: 10,344 Poetry, Texas Hopefully we will hear something soon. I know delivery won't be quick, but a heads up will be nice.

Re: Echols Stocks butchlambert1 #15964145 04/02/21 Joined: Apr 2011 Posts: 15,297 Northeast USA B beretzs OP Campfire Ranger OP beretzs Campfire Ranger B Joined: Apr 2011 Posts: 15,297 Northeast USA Originally Posted by butchlambert1 Hopefully we will hear something soon. I know delivery won't be quick, but a heads up will be nice. It is such a bind since he’s at McMillans mercy with them. Semper Fi

Re: Echols Stocks Wrangler13 #15964450 04/02/21 Joined: Nov 2010 Posts: 37,088 Central Louisiana D Dirtfarmer Campfire 'Bwana Dirtfarmer Campfire 'Bwana D Joined: Nov 2010 Posts: 37,088 Central Louisiana Originally Posted by Wrangler13 Anyone have pictures of these stocks? 404J I built using a M-70 NH .300 RUM donor, sits in a Legend. D'Arcy said std fill would work, but he did do cross pins. McM would have insisted on mag fill. Std fill worked. Stock was pillared and I did Steel Bed it. Williams bottom metal dropped in, perfect fit, Echols inletting. For me, D'Arcy doing the inletting would be a big plus, not knowing what's going on at McM., or until things shake out a bit over there DF

Re: Echols Stocks beretzs #15966780 04/02/21 Joined: Nov 2020 Posts: 305 S slobob63 Campfire Member slobob63 Campfire Member S Joined: Nov 2020 Posts: 305 i spoke with d'arcy 2 weeks ago.he was one shy of his order for 10.this was on a friday night.well was going to call him on monday and place my order to make 10.long story short,ended up in hospital and had spleen removed and further testing.sent him a email to explain the delay.maybe one of you gentleman can call him and see if you can take my place.im on hold for awhile.hope this helps someone.

Re: Echols Stocks slobob63 #15966831 04/03/21 Joined: May 2007 Posts: 1,083 Australia R rockdoc Campfire Regular rockdoc Campfire Regular R Joined: May 2007 Posts: 1,083 Australia I bought a Legend stock for my Mod 70Win custom 375H&H. D’Arcy did the two cross bolts and a friend doing the work used one of Duane’s bottom metals. Was converted Classic 270. Barrel profiled same as my 1913 H&H magazine takedown 375 H&H Belted Mag. Weighs 8lbs10oz with Leupold 1.5-5x and Talley Steel QD mounts. I did have my friend shorted and slim the forend. Lovely rifle. Dirtfarmer, great rifle. I wish Winchester had bought out the RUM Mod 70’s to Australia. Last edited by rockdoc; 04/03/21.

Re: Echols Stocks beretzs #15967150 04/03/21 Joined: Dec 2015 Posts: 1,648 Central Texas E eamyrick Campfire Regular eamyrick Campfire Regular E Joined: Dec 2015 Posts: 1,648 Central Texas Called him two days ago. He has about 15 now. Email him your order in the next few days if you want to get in.

Re: Echols Stocks rockdoc #15967525 04/03/21 Joined: Nov 2010 Posts: 37,088 Central Louisiana D Dirtfarmer Campfire 'Bwana Dirtfarmer Campfire 'Bwana D Joined: Nov 2010 Posts: 37,088 Central Louisiana Originally Posted by rockdoc I bought a Legend stock for my Mod 70Win custom 375H&H. D’Arcy did the two cross bolts and a friend doing the work used one of Duane’s bottom metals. Was converted Classic 270. Barrel profiled same as my 1913 H&H magazine takedown 375 H&H Belted Mag. Weighs 8lbs10oz with Leupold 1.5-5x and Talley Steel QD mounts. I did have my friend shorted and slim the forend. Lovely rifle. Dirtfarmer, great rifle. I wish Winchester had bought out the RUM Mod 70’s to Australia. Thanks, it did turn out pretty nice. I traded it after shoulder surgery, hopefully it'll get to Africa or somewhere it will shine. After the .404J build, I think if I was going to build another big gun it would be .416 Rem. One could use a regular full length 3.6" magnum action without any modifications. The .416 Rem seems to be gaining popularity in Africa from what I've heard and read. The SS .416 Ruger seems popular in Alaska. I think it's the whole package that led to its popularity, a package that works for that climate. A good bud hunted buff in Zim, used his .416 Rigby, Ruger Safari Magnum. His PH carried a well used, push feed M-70 in .416 Rem. He liked the big RSM, but said it was too heavy. The .416 Rem will do all one needs to do in that bore size and do it in a lighter, less expensive package. What's not to like. DF

Re: Echols Stocks beretzs #15968879 04/03/21 Joined: Mar 2005 Posts: 17,527 Colorado D dogcatcher223 Campfire Ranger dogcatcher223 Campfire Ranger D Joined: Mar 2005 Posts: 17,527 Colorado Do you guys like that wide open grip? I've gotten used to more vertical, and not sure I could go back.

Re: Echols Stocks dogcatcher223 #15968905 04/03/21 Joined: Apr 2011 Posts: 15,297 Northeast USA B beretzs OP Campfire Ranger OP beretzs Campfire Ranger B Joined: Apr 2011 Posts: 15,297 Northeast USA Originally Posted by dogcatcher223 Do you guys like that wide open grip? I've gotten used to more vertical, and not sure I could go back. It’s for sure my favorite stock. If they weren’t heavier than I like in some builds it’d be about all I use. They’re nice from probe and good at other positions. But we’re all different. Semper Fi

Re: Echols Stocks beretzs #15969046 04/03/21 Joined: Mar 2005 Posts: 17,527 Colorado D dogcatcher223 Campfire Ranger dogcatcher223 Campfire Ranger D Joined: Mar 2005 Posts: 17,527 Colorado Good to know. They have a clean classic look to them.

Re: Echols Stocks dogcatcher223 #15969058 04/03/21 Joined: Jul 2010 Posts: 1,694 P pathfinder76 Campfire Regular pathfinder76 Campfire Regular P Joined: Jul 2010 Posts: 1,694 Originally Posted by dogcatcher223 Good to know. They have a clean classic look to them. They were patterned by one of the top stock makers in the world. It shows. :-)

Re: Echols Stocks Dirtfarmer #15969440 04/03/21 Joined: Apr 2006 Posts: 3,323 Tropical Alaska P pabucktail Campfire Tracker pabucktail Campfire Tracker P Joined: Apr 2006 Posts: 3,323 Tropical Alaska Originally Posted by Dirtfarmer Originally Posted by Wrangler13 Anyone have pictures of these stocks? 404J I built using a M-70 NH .300 RUM donor, sits in a Legend. D'Arcy said std fill would work, but he did do cross pins. McM would have insisted on mag fill. Std fill worked. Stock was pillared and I did Steel Bed it. Williams bottom metal dropped in, perfect fit, Echols inletting. For me, D'Arcy doing the inletting would be a big plus, not knowing what's going on at McM., or until things shake out a bit over there DF How well does this stock work with open sights? The McM fwt is a fav for switching between a scope and peep sight, but now I must find a replacement since they stopped making them.

Re: Echols Stocks pabucktail #15969610 04/03/21 Joined: Nov 2010 Posts: 37,088 Central Louisiana D Dirtfarmer Campfire 'Bwana Dirtfarmer Campfire 'Bwana D Joined: Nov 2010 Posts: 37,088 Central Louisiana It’s a bit tight with irons, even high ones, takes a hard cheek weld. But it’s not bad with scopes, actually pretty good. It’s made to go both ways. For just irons it’s a bit high. But how often does one use irons. I really like this stock. DF

Re: Echols Stocks beretzs #15969625 04/03/21 Joined: Jun 2004 Posts: 7,171 G greydog Campfire Tracker greydog Campfire Tracker G Joined: Jun 2004 Posts: 7,171 I have one on a model 54 Winchester (modified to use Model 70 bottom metal) and like the shape and fit. It's a nice, classic shape. GD

Re: Echols Stocks Dirtfarmer #15969847 04/03/21 Joined: Apr 2006 Posts: 3,323 Tropical Alaska P pabucktail Campfire Tracker pabucktail Campfire Tracker P Joined: Apr 2006 Posts: 3,323 Tropical Alaska Originally Posted by Dirtfarmer It’s a bit tight with irons, even high ones, takes a hard cheek weld. But it’s not bad with scopes, actually pretty good. It’s made to go both ways. For just irons it’s a bit high. But how often does one use irons. I really like this stock. DF I’m a weirdo, use irons about half the time. It’s a great looking stock.

Re: Echols Stocks pabucktail #15970293 04/04/21 Joined: Nov 2010 Posts: 37,088 Central Louisiana D Dirtfarmer Campfire 'Bwana Dirtfarmer Campfire 'Bwana D Joined: Nov 2010 Posts: 37,088 Central Louisiana Originally Posted by pabucktail Originally Posted by Dirtfarmer It’s a bit tight with irons, even high ones, takes a hard cheek weld. But it’s not bad with scopes, actually pretty good. It’s made to go both ways. For just irons it’s a bit high. But how often does one use irons. I really like this stock. DF I’m a weirdo, use irons about half the time. It’s a great looking stock. It’s designed to work both ways. Depends on one’s build, face, neck, etc. I found I needed a pretty tight cheek weld to see high irons. It does work with irons and glass. And what a classic, sleek shape. There aren’t many classic stocks as well proportioned. DF

Re: Echols Stocks pabucktail #15970848 04/04/21 Joined: Nov 2002 Posts: 33,690 Either Texas or Idaho E EdM Campfire 'Bwana EdM Campfire 'Bwana E Joined: Nov 2002 Posts: 33,690 Either Texas or Idaho Originally Posted by pabucktail Originally Posted by Dirtfarmer Originally Posted by Wrangler13 Anyone have pictures of these stocks? 404J I built using a M-70 NH .300 RUM donor, sits in a Legend. D'Arcy said std fill would work, but he did do cross pins. McM would have insisted on mag fill. Std fill worked. Stock was pillared and I did Steel Bed it. Williams bottom metal dropped in, perfect fit, Echols inletting. For me, D'Arcy doing the inletting would be a big plus, not knowing what's going on at McM., or until things shake out a bit over there DF How well does this stock work with open sights? The McM fwt is a fav for switching between a scope and peep sight, but now I must find a replacement since they stopped making them. I went with the McM Winchester Express on my 416 Rem for this very reason. A tweak of the cheek and both irons and optics work pretty well. Conduct is the best proof of character.

Re: Echols Stocks EdM #15970889 04/04/21 Joined: Nov 2010 Posts: 37,088 Central Louisiana D Dirtfarmer Campfire 'Bwana Dirtfarmer Campfire 'Bwana D Joined: Nov 2010 Posts: 37,088 Central Louisiana Nice, I never get tired to seeing that gun. It's a classic, for sure. Seems to me your McM Express comb may be just a tad lower than the Legend. It would be nice to have them side by side, but compare them carefully, see what you think. DF

Re: Echols Stocks beretzs #15972060 04/07/21 Joined: Dec 2015 Posts: 1,648 Central Texas E eamyrick Campfire Regular eamyrick Campfire Regular E Joined: Dec 2015 Posts: 1,648 Central Texas Ordered my stock yesterday and am going to have MNR build me a 9.3 off a pre-64 action.

Re: Echols Stocks beretzs #15975355 04/08/21 Joined: Sep 2005 Posts: 4,282 Near Hobble Creek Canyon, Utah G GSSP Campfire Tracker GSSP Campfire Tracker G Joined: Sep 2005 Posts: 4,282 Near Hobble Creek Canyon, Utah Here is my 9.3x62 built by our own Redneck using a pre-64 action and finished by Charlie Santoni. Here, my own 6.5x57BR wildcat, in a Rem 700 action, sitting in one of D'Arcy's Shrike stocks. [Linked Image]

Re: Echols Stocks GSSP #15992176 04/14/21 Joined: Nov 2010 Posts: 37,088 Central Louisiana D Dirtfarmer Campfire 'Bwana Dirtfarmer Campfire 'Bwana D Joined: Nov 2010 Posts: 37,088 Central Louisiana Nice, both. DF

Re: Echols Stocks beretzs #15992224 04/14/21 Joined: Apr 2011 Posts: 15,297 Northeast USA B beretzs OP Campfire Ranger OP beretzs Campfire Ranger B Joined: Apr 2011 Posts: 15,297 Northeast USA Those are sharp rifles GSSP. Semper Fi

Re: Echols Stocks beretzs #16021939 04/23/21 Joined: Dec 2015 Posts: 1,648 Central Texas E eamyrick Campfire Regular eamyrick Campfire Regular E Joined: Dec 2015 Posts: 1,648 Central Texas Did anyone get a hard price on these stocks when they called or emailed?