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Anything coming out about this being tied to the Biden bitches laptop kiddie porn ? You kidding me, it’s probably an enemy of the state. They will protect the Buy’ems at all cost. Think KGB. Just like Epstein , this shooter most likely didn't hang himself either !
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I see we have a skirmish on this thread about whether the guy should have been arrested outside his residence prior to the search warrant being executed. Was there even an arrest warrant issued in this case? The news reports I saw only referred to a search warrant. Computer crimes, including kiddie porn, frequently involve search warrants with no corresponding arrest warrants. There may be probable cause to search a location based on stuff like IP addresses and Internet provider bills, but that still doesn’t tie the evidence at the location to a specific person.
The other problem with search warrants, as opposed to arrest warrants, is that that they have a limited life span because evidence can be lost or destroyed, or the probable cause can become stale as a matter of law and preclude service. The police cannot just wait for the best time to serve them. The longer they wait, the greater the risk of loss of evidence or probable cause.
Regardless of whether there was an arrest warrant, or even if the guy had been picked up before the search warrant execution, there always is the chance of someone being at the location to be searched. In addition, as we see here, cheap surveillance equipment available to homeowners makes it much easier for occupants to detect the presence of people outside. Even people outside the location can get notices on their smart phones that can allow them to take whatever action they choose. Because no agency has unlimited resources, risk mitigation has to be evaluated on a case by case basis. It is not a perfect world. This situation had a sad ending.
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Problems arose when millions of South Americans and damn yankees move here When exactly did that happen? With regards to the damn yankees, it started right after AC was invented. For the other, probably about the time of Carter’s Mariel boat lift.
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Was it another pedophile that Fled NYC for warmer climes?
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It's "aviator" if you please. Don't know how this weighs in but one of the many comments I've seen;
As a 37 year LE veteran who served numerous search and arrest warrants, including high risk warrants, standard protocol is to stand or crouch to the side of a door when knocking and announcing a warrant. Or, wait for the suspect to exit (an apartment in this case) if the suspect is believed to be armed and dangerous.
I hate to say it, but 5 Agents bunched at the front door of an apartment was tragic tactical execution, IF that is what happened (IF all the shots were fired through the closed apartment door).
You can always tell an aviator, but you can’t tell them much. Better?
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I guess it would have made too much sense (and the same goes for Koresh and Weaver) to wait until the guy goes out in town and just pick them up out in the open... 100% exactamundo.
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Just because I don't always drink from the "Flave Orifice at Delphi" doesn't mean I'm clueless. The gent I mentioned was arrested HERE, THEN they served a warrant at his house. Of course there is a parallel as there is with many arrest scenarios. In fact, during the post mortem on the Koresh fiasco, there was a lot of criticism leveled at the agents for NOT having picked Koresh up out in town when they had multiple opportunities. Again 100% correct!
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I guess it would have made too much sense (and the same goes for Koresh and Weaver) to wait until the guy goes out in town and just pick them up out in the open... 100% exactamundo. Do either of you know what a search warrant is?
Trump being classless,tasteless and clueless as usual. Sorry, trump is a no tax payin pile of shiit. My young wife decided to play the field and had moved several dudes into my house
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I guess it would have made too much sense (and the same goes for Koresh and Weaver) to wait until the guy goes out in town and just pick them up out in the open... Bingo!!!! Geebus.
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Problems arose when millions of South Americans and damn yankees move here When exactly did that happen? With regards to the damn yankees, it started right after AC was invented. For the other, probably about the time of Carter’s Mariel boat lift. Long enough ago to make me a minority. Saw a lot of marielitos "step off" back in the day. Now, the Karen's hand them bottles of Vitawater and California rolls when they float up on Hollywood Beach. Lol.
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I guess it would have made too much sense (and the same goes for Koresh and Weaver) to wait until the guy goes out in town and just pick them up out in the open... LEOs have been known to "plan" pursuits to end at a residence/crib/place of business so it can be searched pursuant to arrest. What kind of warrants were these feds holding? And why didn't they have a warrant team?
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Floriduh is plumb full of surprises. Plumb full of scumbags that moved from Blue states would be more like it.
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I guess it would have made too much sense (and the same goes for Koresh and Weaver) to wait until the guy goes out in town and just pick them up out in the open... 100% exactamundo. Do either of you know what a search warrant is? Probably at least as much as you do.
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Problems arose when millions of South Americans and damn yankees move here I expect an asterisk should have been added to your statement to exclude "The Pearl Of the Antilles." ....
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I guess it would have made too much sense (and the same goes for Koresh and Weaver) to wait until the guy goes out in town and just pick them up out in the open... 100% exactamundo. Do either of you know what a search warrant is? Probably at least as much as you do. Oh I’m sure. LOL
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I guess it would have made too much sense (and the same goes for Koresh and Weaver) to wait until the guy goes out in town and just pick them up out in the open... LEOs have been known to "plan" pursuits to end at a residence/crib/place of business so it can be searched pursuant to arrest. What kind of warrants were these feds holding? And why didn't they have a warrant team? Search incident to arrest is very limited. It is not going to get close to allowing a detailed review of digital media. (Check out Riley v. CA (U.S. 2014) that dealt with the review of cell phone data incident to arrest.) You are going to have to get a real deal search warrant for that stuff. Edited to add: Searching an entire crib incident to arrest also is limited, and has gotten more limited over time.
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My little brother, a retired Sheriff's deputy, liberal hating, golf loving patriot is relocating to Punta Gorda.
Has nothing but good to say about it. Floreeda gets the full gamut, from really great people in some really nice places, to the scum of the earth, but unlike most of the rest of the country where most of that scum is most predominant in the metro areaw, in Floreeda it's far more dispersed everywhere across the state. MM
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Wonder how many warrants get served every year where the suspect and the serving officers dont get killed?
I bet its more than say......a dozen?
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I guess it would have made too much sense (and the same goes for Koresh and Weaver) to wait until the guy goes out in town and just pick them up out in the open... LEOs have been known to "plan" pursuits to end at a residence/crib/place of business so it can be searched pursuant to arrest. What kind of warrants were these feds holding? And why didn't they have a warrant team? Search incident to arrest is very limited. It is not going to get close to allowing a detailed review of digital media. (Check out Riley v. CA (U.S. 2014) that dealt with the review of cell phone data incident to arrest.) You are going to have to get a real deal search warrant for that stuff. Edited to add: Searching an entire crib incident to arrest also is limited, and has gotten more limited over time. I have no doubt that you're right. My take on this pre-dates digital data for individuals, email and the floppy disk...
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