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Yes, one LEO from another neighboring department attended the Trump rally at the capital as a citizen. He did not enter the capital and stayed on the lawn until things started going sideways. He promptly left the area and texted a bunch of friends that were concerned about him that he was on the subway traveling away from the that mess. Upon return his department suspended him from working and investigated him for wrong doing. 5 long weeks later he was cleared. We (LEO's) are not even citizens exercising our constitutional rights without the department looking over our shoulder. We are under constant surveillance from our employer and the public. Due to a highly restrictive social media policy many LEO's are subject to monitoring/ and or punishment for any post or comment that could be construed as subversive, anti government, or anti department/ agency.
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... Most LEO could not make the grade to be such a prof.pilot , ..
All the PD copter pilots here start out as street cops. I think they get their basic license and then train with experienced LEO pilots. Your statement is bold but I don't think it holds much water. That does not change anything about my actual statement. It's much easier to turn experienced prof. pilots from civil or mil. into a cop , Than turn cops into competent (appropriately qualified) Pilots. Different PDs also have different levels of prerequisite requirements to be LE pilots. Those with PPL, CPL, ATP(H) ,IR, PIC time, hrs in type, etc. don't grow on trees like general LE applicants do.
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... Most LEO could not make the grade to be such a prof.pilot , ..
All the PD copter pilots here start out as street cops. I think they get their basic license and then train with experienced LEO pilots. Your statement is bold but I don't think it holds much water. That does not change anything about my actual statement. It's much easier to turn experienced prof. pilots from civil or mil. into a cop , Than turn cops into competent Pilots. Different PDs also have different levels of prerequisite requirements to be LE pilots. Those with PPL, CPL, ATP(H) ,IR, PIC time, hrs in type, etc. don't grow on trees like general LE applicants do. My dad was both, and he’d agree with you. But, that’s also not a valid comparison. Being a pilot and being a cop have very different skillsets. Like claiming a hammer makes a schitty crochet needle.
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Lots of departments and agencies required you be a boot on the ground first because it makes them a far better pilot for LE purposes.
But that’s become a thing of the past more and more. Recruitment numbers in general are poor and are going to get a lot worse.
Trump being classless,tasteless and clueless as usual. Sorry, trump is a no tax payin pile of shiit. My young wife decided to play the field and had moved several dudes into my house
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Being a pilot and being a cop have very different skillsets. Like claiming a hammer makes a schitty crochet needle.
Yes and No. Cops even have trouble understanding the laws they enforce on the ground , so I wouldn't want to put those types in the air requiring them to also cope with air law regs and cockpit management demands. Bottom line ~ its easier to find boneheads who can be hammers with a gun and badge and cost the city and taxpayer millions $$$. Hence, good reason Depts tend to set stds. so Low intelligence cops dont make it to the air wing with all the responsibility it entails.
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Funny you guys don't think cops are coming for your guns when given the green light from congress. These are the same "heroes " that were arresting gym, salon, and restaurant owners for trying not to go bankrupt during covid.
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Yes, one LEO from another neighboring department attended the Trump rally at the capital as a citizen. He did not enter the capital and stayed on the lawn until things started going sideways. He promptly left the area and texted a bunch of friends that were concerned about him that he was on the subway traveling away from the that mess. Upon return his department suspended him from working and investigated him for wrong doing. 5 long weeks later he was cleared. We (LEO's) are not even citizens exercising our constitutional rights without the department looking over our shoulder. We are under constant surveillance from our employer and the public. Due to a highly restrictive social media policy many LEO's are subject to monitoring/ and or punishment for any post or comment that could be construed as subversive, anti government, or anti department/ agency. Blows my mind that LEO's and their families still post openly on social media using their real names, political movements they belong to, pics of their vehicles, vacations, homes, kids. DA's and AUSA's now review all of your social media before you testify because the first thing defense attorneys do is scour social media. Ive seen cases thrown out before trial because of some innocuous off taste joke on LEO social media. Just use an alias if you go on social media and a VPN. Its going to get a lot worse under China Joe That was not very smart to take his cell phone with him. People still don't comprehend how social media and cell phones can get you into serious trouble when you're not even breaking any laws.
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Being a pilot and being a cop have very different skillsets. Like claiming a hammer makes a schitty crochet needle.
Yes and No. Cops even have trouble understanding the laws they enforce on the ground , so I wouldn't want to put those types in the air requiring them to also cope with air law regs and cockpit management demands. Bottom line is its easier to find boneheads who c an be hammers with again and badge and cost the city and taxpayer millions $$$. starfish always has the real skinny on LEO and SOF , he probably has serious hands on experience. Some spetacular flying exploits are accomplished daily by LEO. Our local county flies night SAR missions in Red Rock Canyon and the Spring Mountains and all the pilots are LEO w/ serious street time. mike r
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Stab them in the taint, you can't put a tourniquet on that. Craig Douglas ECQC
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It’s pretty obvious that Stink star failed his entrance exam.
And ASVAB.
And physical.
LOL
Trump being classless,tasteless and clueless as usual. Sorry, trump is a no tax payin pile of shiit. My young wife decided to play the field and had moved several dudes into my house
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Miker _ it's good that you look up to the skills of capable pilots , unfortunately you aint a pilot and unfortunately simply becoming a capable cop doesn't make one a capable pilot.
The two together is something rarer than some realize and something really worth appreciating.
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Lots of departments and agencies required you be a boot on the ground first because it makes them a far better pilot for LE purposes.
But that’s become a thing of the past more and more. Recruitment numbers in general are poor and are going to get a lot worse. This. Conventional wisdom for a number of years was that it was easier to train a cop to fly than the other way around. The trend these days is looking like contract pilots to do the driving and LEO's riding along for the enforcement piece. It's not widespread yet, but it's out there.
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It’s pretty obvious that Stink star failed his entrance exam.
And ASVAB.
And physical.
LOL 15 push ups requirement for women would knock him out
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Miker _ it's good that you look up to the skills of capable pilots , unfortunate you aint a pilot and unfortunately simply becoming a capable cop doesn't make one a capable pilot.
The two together is something rarer than some realize. Are you a pilot?
Trump being classless,tasteless and clueless as usual. Sorry, trump is a no tax payin pile of shiit. My young wife decided to play the field and had moved several dudes into my house
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Hiring and retention are the biggest issues now you us. People that can leave the job are going to other jobs or retiring. Our recruiting is way down and we cannot fill academy spots. The classes are getting smaller and smaller. No one wants to suit up and do the job anymore. The military is a better draw then we are.
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Hiring and retention are the biggest issues now you us. People that can leave the job are going to other jobs or retiring. Our recruiting is way down and we cannot fill academy spots. The classes are getting smaller and smaller. No one wants to suit up and do the job anymore. The military is a better draw then we are. Sad, but I can’t say that I blame them. With all the BS they have to put up with from ungrateful citizens, and not being able to enforce laws during BLM & Antifa Riots, I wouldn’t want the job for any amount of money.
"Allways speak the truth and you will never have to remember what you said before..." Sam Houston Texans, "We say Grace, We Say Mam, If You Don't Like it, We Don't Give a Damn!"
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Damn! I carry a 7.62 REPR along in my pickup more for the popo than myself, crazy times getting a lot crazier. Wtf does that mean? Means if I happen along and see popo wadded up fighting for his life i'll kill whatever is trying to take his. G5, many of us assumed that to be the meaning. mike r LOL, Yes Sir, don't even have to know or like the Copper, simply will not drive past that level of lawless tyranny, never have, never will. Gunner Bro, Didn’t take much for some of us to understand what you meant. And feel the same. Yep. I knew exactly what Gunner meant when I read his post.
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Living in a world of G17s and 700s, wishing for P7s and 202s
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Miker _ it's good that you look up to the skills of capable pilots , unfortunately you aint a pilot and unfortunately simply becoming a capable cop doesn't make one a capable pilot.
The two together is something rarer than some realize and something really worth appreciating. You phony prique, I have more hours in the pay line than you have in the chow line. Your long time refusal to indicate any sort of real experience has become tiresome, keyboard time isn't relevant. #frequentpaxnotapilot mike r
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Miker_ types like you who have to post their CV on a place like the CF is plain hilarious.
It's so important to you that the CF must believe you to validate you ...TFF and rather sad I must say.. btw: did I mention low intelligence cops ?
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So you would kill this teacher then ?
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