|
|
Joined: Nov 2013
Posts: 317
Campfire Member
|
Campfire Member
Joined: Nov 2013
Posts: 317 |
Pappy,
The cost of manufacturing has increased. As far as components are concerned the people I've talked to said social distancing at the manufacturing facilities has made the process less efficient, plus unprecedented demand has meant the manufacturers have have hired significantly more employees and are running shifts 24/7. And the cost of shipping has increased and manufacturers have had to scramble to find enough shipping (which has slowed down for the same reasons) and are paying more for the shipping.
And, the word is shipping of hazmat materials from overseas has seen a substantial increase in cost to the importers/distributors. Throw in rising costs of commodities and it all adds up to an increase in costs BEFORE retailers start adding a bit of extra to their price, because they can.
I think we can figure on a 30% increase of powders, primers, and bullets just for the "normal" price of components before any gouging takes place.
Totally agree, its not the 30% increase that has folks fired up, Most are happy if they can find what they are looking for at a slightly increased price. The stores selling 1000 primers for $450 is more like a 1000% percent increase. Most should agree that is gouging.
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Mar 2009
Posts: 18,125
Campfire Ranger
|
|
Campfire Ranger
Joined: Mar 2009
Posts: 18,125 |
Lotta big words flying around here.
~Molɔ̀ːn Labé Skýla~
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Jun 2005
Posts: 2,195
Campfire Regular
|
|
Campfire Regular
Joined: Jun 2005
Posts: 2,195 |
Insert here something about the Special Olympics and winning an argument on the internet
Ride well, shoot straight, and speak the truth.
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Jan 2010
Posts: 32,130 Likes: 1
Campfire 'Bwana
|
|
Campfire 'Bwana
Joined: Jan 2010
Posts: 32,130 Likes: 1 |
Insert here something about the Special Olympics and winning an argument on the internet DedNed has me on ignore. LMAO.
If you put Taco Bell sauce in your ramen noodles it tastes just like poverty
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Dec 2009
Posts: 4,600
Campfire Tracker
|
Campfire Tracker
Joined: Dec 2009
Posts: 4,600 |
So what are the stores are paying wholesale from the distributors? Not gouging if the distributors jacked up their prices too. Price from CCI not going through wholesalers, is $37 per brick, up from last year at $30, So this will let you know what kind of price gouging is going on at dealers, Local shop here and PA has cci 400 for $95 a brick, so he's making $60 per brick And could very well not be selling anything else that week because of inventory shortages. No powder, no brass , no bullets and no firearms. Those primers will have to cover rent,wages and it goes on and on. Had you been prepared you wouldn't give a [bleep].
Never take life to seriously, after all ,no one gets out of it alive.
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Mar 2005
Posts: 26,293 Likes: 6
Campfire Ranger
|
|
Campfire Ranger
Joined: Mar 2005
Posts: 26,293 Likes: 6 |
Ya see!!! Now I gotta change my name!  ( starts to ponder whether or not 7 syllables will actually fit into the name field on the fire)... I'm not prone to sesquipedalianism, but I do like my comma's. And I think your comments are a most suitable closing summary. 👍 Besides, sometimes using/reading bodaciously long words is entertaining.............
Casey
Not being married to any particular political party sure makes it a lot easier to look at the world more objectively...
Having said that, MAGA.
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Nov 2005
Posts: 10,365
Campfire Outfitter
|
|
Campfire Outfitter
Joined: Nov 2005
Posts: 10,365 |
So what are the stores are paying wholesale from the distributors? Not gouging if the distributors jacked up their prices too. Price from CCI not going through wholesalers, is $37 per brick, up from last year at $30, So this will let you know what kind of price gouging is going on at dealers, Local shop here and PA has cci 400 for $95 a brick, so he's making $60 per brick And could very well not be selling anything else that week because of inventory shortages. No powder, no brass , no bullets and no firearms. Those primers will have to cover rent,wages and it goes on and on. Had you been prepared you wouldn't give a [bleep]. Oh this dealer is selling, he got guns, ammo, he seems to get what ever he wants, he not really into reloading but he gets primers in,, his shop is full most time
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Jul 2001
Posts: 60,178 Likes: 20
Campfire Kahuna
|
|
Campfire Kahuna
Joined: Jul 2001
Posts: 60,178 Likes: 20 |
One thing noticed during past "shortages," due to my connections in the industry, is that stores and on-line sellers which paid immediately--instead of asking for the common 90-day delay--had more stuff, much sooner, than other suppliers.
“Montana seems to me to be what a small boy would think Texas is like from hearing Texans.”
John Steinbeck
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Mar 2005
Posts: 26,293 Likes: 6
Campfire Ranger
|
|
Campfire Ranger
Joined: Mar 2005
Posts: 26,293 Likes: 6 |
And could very well not be selling anything else that week because of inventory shortages. No powder, no brass , no bullets and no firearms. Those primers will have to cover rent,wages and it goes on and on. Had you been prepared you wouldn't give a [bleep].
What lessons I didn't learn before the Obama Reign I learned then. I'm in good enough shape to last at least through the next 4 year and beyond. Here in Colorado and Wyoming the gun shops are only short of components and ammo, seems to be plenty of everything else and they are really pushing the accessories. The small amounts of primers and powders they're receiving ain't going to make the rent no matter what they charge.
Casey
Not being married to any particular political party sure makes it a lot easier to look at the world more objectively...
Having said that, MAGA.
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Apr 2013
Posts: 1,022
Campfire Regular
|
|
Campfire Regular
Joined: Apr 2013
Posts: 1,022 |
Lotta big words flying around here. Like "the" "we" "and" "I"?
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Feb 2010
Posts: 17,927
Campfire Ranger
|
|
Campfire Ranger
Joined: Feb 2010
Posts: 17,927 |
It wasn’t as bad when Obummer was in office for sure.
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Nov 2005
Posts: 10,365
Campfire Outfitter
|
|
Campfire Outfitter
Joined: Nov 2005
Posts: 10,365 |
It wasn’t as bad when Obummer was in office for sure. Yes went to h e l l with covid and sleep Joe and the hoe
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Nov 2005
Posts: 10,365
Campfire Outfitter
|
|
Campfire Outfitter
Joined: Nov 2005
Posts: 10,365 |
some were $400/1K. And they will sell out I'm afraid.
At that price I received 40 grand of primers deleiverd from ups today
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Dec 2006
Posts: 4,686
Campfire Tracker
|
|
Campfire Tracker
Joined: Dec 2006
Posts: 4,686 |
Make a mental note of who they are. When the smoke clears never do business with them again. Tell all your friends about them too. I simply cannot wrap my head around this sort of logic. Primers and ammo are a commodity, and prices fluctuate with the market....how people struggle with this is beyond me. I have no issue with how a business prices non-essential goods, primarily because I not only don't have to shop there, but I am not forced to buy at their prices. If the price is more than double the current pricing of competitors then I consider it gouging. Lol, you can't be serious. Are you at all involved in stocks or investing? I have fought, bled, and seen men die so I and others can live free. What in the hell does this have to do with primer prices?? Most should agree that is gouging Based on what, you simply not liking the price?
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Nov 2013
Posts: 28,892 Likes: 13
Campfire Ranger
|
|
Campfire Ranger
Joined: Nov 2013
Posts: 28,892 Likes: 13 |
Pappy,
The cost of manufacturing has increased. As far as components are concerned the people I've talked to said social distancing at the manufacturing facilities has made the process less efficient, plus unprecedented demand has meant the manufacturers have have hired significantly more employees and are running shifts 24/7. And the cost of shipping has increased and manufacturers have had to scramble to find enough shipping (which has slowed down for the same reasons) and are paying more for the shipping.
And, the word is shipping of hazmat materials from overseas has seen a substantial increase in cost to the importers/distributors. Throw in rising costs of commodities and it all adds up to an increase in costs BEFORE retailers start adding a bit of extra to their price, because they can.
I think we can figure on a 30% increase of powders, primers, and bullets just for the "normal" price of components before any gouging takes place.
I can believe all or most of that. Not sure that it adds up to 30%, but whatever. If the new normal is higher, so be it. Lately though, I’ve purchased brass, bullets, and some ammo, including 500 Velociters my son found this week, all current production, and all at normal prices, so your notion doesn’t hold up across the board. I’m well supplied, so I can ride this out as long as it lasts, with no restrictions on my shooting or hunting, and definitely without paying grossly inflated prices, regardless of why they’re high. Eventually, the dust will settle, and then we’ll see where we are price-wise.
What fresh Hell is this?
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Jan 2008
Posts: 667
Campfire Regular
|
|
Campfire Regular
Joined: Jan 2008
Posts: 667 |
If the price is more than double the current pricing of competitors then I consider it gouging. Your definition may vary and that's fine. Don't tell me how to live my life. I have fought, bled, and seen men die so I and others can live free. I will tell you again because you don't understand supply and demand. Low supply, high demand equal high prices; on anything And if you listen to your own words, the people charging that exorbitant amount are doing what you say you fought for, living free and charging what they feel they can. it is S&D. Don't like it, move to a socialist country....... and you will whine at the gas prices
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Dec 2006
Posts: 4,686
Campfire Tracker
|
|
Campfire Tracker
Joined: Dec 2006
Posts: 4,686 |
The absolute irony and hypocrisy is that Dinny, who never seems to miss an opportunity to ridicule any for sale thread he deems as "gouging", certainly doesn't seem to mind benefitting financially from the panic...8lb jugs of powder for $300, $40 boxes of .224 cal bullets, and $50 boxes of 7mm Nosler BT's.
It baffles me that anyone, especially someone currently making a substantial profit selling reloading stuff well over their own cost, would have the nerve to complain about the way anyone else prices their items.
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Dec 2008
Posts: 2,385 Likes: 3
Campfire Regular
|
|
Campfire Regular
Joined: Dec 2008
Posts: 2,385 Likes: 3 |
some were $400/1K. And they will sell out I'm afraid.
At that price I received 40 grand of primers deleiverd from ups today You are such a liar. You keep posting of your philanthropic donations to young shooters and helping everyone out with your abundance of goods and generosity, and now you claim you spent $1,600,000.00 on primers. Then you want to turn people into the IRS for not claiming income. Plus there not reporting to the IRS LOL Then you claim you will make the gouging profit, then come here to claim the high ground of morality. What a piece of $hit. I dont blame anyone getting market price, ill be dann if I'm selling my stuff for what I paid for it, already caught a guy on here selling CCI 400 primers I sold him for 4 times what he paid, im going to make that profit from now on
I was thinking the other day how much I used to hate Bill Clinton. He was freaking George Washington compared to what they are now.
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Feb 2010
Posts: 17,927
Campfire Ranger
|
|
Campfire Ranger
Joined: Feb 2010
Posts: 17,927 |
Scarcity is a bitch!
It’s funny how pajama wearing gramps stumbles into Walmart and is smart enough to triple his money.
Price is what you pay, value is what you get.
What about those that made bank on GameStock? “Woohoo sticking it to the man!”
The government should step in and regulate the prices of ammo! Maybe subsidize it so it’s fair for everyone. Yeah, that’s the ticket!!
Karen called, she wants more whine.
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Nov 2005
Posts: 10,365
Campfire Outfitter
|
|
Campfire Outfitter
Joined: Nov 2005
Posts: 10,365 |
some were $400/1K. And they will sell out I'm afraid.
At that price I received 40 grand of primers deleiverd from ups today You are such a liar. You keep posting of your philanthropic donations to young shooters and helping everyone out with your abundance of goods and generosity, and now you claim you spent $1,600,000.00 on primers. Then you want to turn people into the IRS for not claiming income. Plus there not reporting to the IRS LOL Then you claim you will make the gouging profit, then come here to claim the high ground of morality. What a piece of $hit. I dont blame anyone getting market price, ill be dann if I'm selling my stuff for what I paid for it, already caught a guy on here selling CCI 400 primers I sold him for 4 times what he paid, im going to make that profit from now on 1.6 mill on primers LOL, I only help my friends out, these primers are not offered up for sale here, did that a few months back and people like you cried that you were caught with your head up your azz and then turned around and sold what I sold you for a hugh profit, I bet if I looked back to were I sold 50 bricks of CCI 400 for $45.00 you were one that was wanting some, and you didn't get any 😫😫😫 that is why d i c k h e a d your on ignore, had to see what your talking out of you a s s about agian, and I know for a fact your the one that stopped me giving away 22lr on here to youth clubs when Obama was in office, you were mad because you didn't want to follow the rules on entering your club, well you HitnRun can GFY
|
|
|
|
|
475 members (1_deuce, 10gaugeman, 1Longbow, 1lessdog, 1minute, 1beaver_shooter, 45 invisible),
2,115
guests, and
1,171
robots. |
|
Key:
Admin,
Global Mod,
Mod
|
|
|
Forums81
Topics1,193,260
Posts18,504,811
Members73,998
| |
Most Online11,491
Jul 7th, 2023
|
|
|
|
