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What does that have to do with the discussion? Never mind the fact that atmospheric conditions can render a laser RF unusable, I was not talking about ranging when I mentioned using the reticle as a ruler. Holding wind, holding elevation, holding lead on a moving critter (whether for a first shot or a follow-up, where increased FOV is helpful and I don’t want the scope set on max magnification), in addition to spotting shots for a hunting partner where you may need to call a correction, are all situations where I’ve used the reticle as a ruler many times in the field, and have nothing to do with using the reticle to range the target.

Anybody with half a brain cell can clearly see the hypocrisy in your self-proclaimed victimhood status. You’re not fooling anyone.

I think it’s also equally clear to anybody with even a hint of savvy, who in this thread is basing their opinions off of field experience hunting BG, and who are the “range wanna bes”.

Jordan shoots at deer that are deaf and don’t care about high powered rifle shots being lobbed at them. Let’s call them maniquin deer

LOL, no flat bills or carbon barrels here, but I’m also not an extreme range varmint shooter or 1000 yard BR shooter, so I’ll take a well-designed FFP reticle over SFP every time for my hunting and shooting needs.

You can hold wind on second focal too. The hash marks are just a reference unless trying to convert to dialing. If I shoot and hit 2 hash marks right, I can simply hold two hash marks left the following shot. Doesn't matter if you have first or second focal. Same thing goes with a moving animal...

Wind is voodoo anyway, always amusing when people bring wind into a discussion like they have some fool proof system. . Usually it's people that don't shoot in wind....

Experience and practice gives the magnitude of those “reference hash marks” meaning. Ballistic solvers are a useful reference there, too. IME shooting a lot in the wind and at moving animals (from varmints to big game), FFP vs SFP does matter to me, and first-round hits without worrying about variable subtensions are more likely with a good FFP reticle. Again, IME.

There’s no foolproof system for wind, but the more a person practices shooting in the wind, the less “voodoo” it becomes.

I don`t own a FFP scope. All mine are SFP, but to me it`s about application. Where I do most of my deer hunting here in Northern Wi., a FFP scope in the middle of a cedar swamp at first lite would be useless at low power for max FOV. I couldn`t see the reticule.
I have other tools for other applications.

As usual. LOL. cc just has a special blend of aggressive ingnorance, condescension and then whiny victimhood about him.

I’ve taken Mule Deer, Elk, Moose, and multiple different varmints w/ a FFP scope. No complaints at all, and won’t be going back to SFP. Reticle design is huge to me tho.

But hey, if a guy likes SFP better for his uses, more power to him. Just don’t be a tool about it and act like anyone who uses a different method is a ‘range wannabe’...

FFP is useless on low power, but FFP soap boxers refuse to acknowledge it.

If you have to ask, you don't want it. Busy crosshairs and FFP aren't for casual shooters.

That too would depend on the scope.
There are wonderful FFP scopes that aren't equipped with large magnification ranges / turrets / busy reticles.

The vast majority of my kills since switching to FFP, have been on the bottom or lower end of the mag range. You’re looking thru the wrong scopes, with the wrong reticles. But then, confirmation bias is the way of the Innanet. So carry on... 😋

Absolutely. Guys that make blanket statements about FFP reticles being unusable on low magnification typically have very limited experience with various FFP reticle designs.

Yup!

Relative to the target is all that matters here! A scope laying on the table in front of me looks a certain size. Put it at 100 yards and it looks smaller, despite it being the same size.

And then again there's this new technology called an "illuminated reticle".

LOL, well there's that too!

Yep. There were a number of Euro ffp scopes that were considered the ne plus ultra of first/last light hunting scopes. I don't know the current contenders since I quit following them when the costs really grew out of my league.