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Genesis specifies morning and evening of each day. This is undeniable. It's there for anyone to see and read. Morning and evening of each day cannot mean eons, millions or billions of years.
You clearly didn't read my post. I read it, but it made no sense.
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Well sir, if one bases Christianity upon the Bible, then I can more clearly see your point of view. But the Bible isn’t the foundation of Christianity. It wasn’t for early first century followers of Jesus (when the Bible didn’t even exist), and it’s not now. The Bible exists ‘because of’ Christianity...Christianity doesn’t exist ‘because of’ the Bible. Jesus’ most devout first century followers never owned the Bible, never read the Bible...because there was no ‘the Bible’ to be had or read. There was no ‘the Bible’ until the 4th century. There were tens of thousands of Christians before there ever was ‘the Bible’. The Bible did not create Christianity. It’s the other way around. Well said, and true. Some churches has a scrap of a letter from one evangelist that they reverenced and often read, and others had another, and some had a copy of one of them, and some had no New Testament scripture at all. What they had was the faith. Faith in word of mouth transmission: talk...which was later put to parchment.
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Genesis specifies morning and evening of each day. This is undeniable. It's there for anyone to see and read. Morning and evening of each day cannot mean eons, millions or billions of years.
You clearly didn't read my post. I read it, but it made no sense. You failed to understand it. Read it again, slowly.
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Some churches has a scrap of a letter from one evangelist that they reverenced and often read, and others had another, and some had a copy of one of them, and some had no New Testament scripture at all. What they had was the faith.
Faith in word of mouth transmission: talk...which was later put to parchment. So faith is derived from the oral that transitioned to what was scribed. But since such writings aren't necessary for faith why bother?
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There's a difference between ascribing creation to "a God" and Christianity. Christianity in this modern era just doesn't have a leg to stand on. There is just SO much in the Bible that has been proven to be untrue. So if you believe the Bible is the true inspired word of God, literally God breathed (Ephesians 3:20), then there are some problems. Well sir, if one bases Christianity upon the Bible, then I can more clearly see your point of view. But the Bible isn’t the foundation of Christianity. It wasn’t for early first century followers of Jesus (when the Bible didn’t even exist), and it’s not now. The Bible exists ‘because of’ Christianity...Christianity doesn’t exist ‘because of’ the Bible. Jesus’ most devout first century followers never owned the Bible, never read the Bible...because there was no ‘the Bible’ to be had or read. There was no ‘the Bible’ until the 4th century. There were tens of thousands of Christians before there ever was ‘the Bible’. The Bible did not create Christianity. It’s the other way around. I have ZERO problem with people who want to believe The Bible as a personal belief system. However, when you want to mandate how my children are taught, or limit their exposure to scientific teaching because of any religion, then I have an issue. I don’t disagree with any of that. You ever hear of The Old Testament?
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You ever hear of The Old Testament?
What we call the Old Testament didn't exist under one cover till about the Fourth Century AD. They were a collection of scriptures, and churches disagreed as to which ones should be called sacred, i.e., canonical, and which apocryphal, and which merely to be respected.
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Well sir, if one bases Christianity upon the Bible, then I can more clearly see your point of view. But the Bible isn’t the foundation of Christianity. It wasn’t for early first century followers of Jesus (when the Bible didn’t even exist), and it’s not now. The Bible exists ‘because of’ Christianity...Christianity doesn’t exist ‘because of’ the Bible. Jesus’ most devout first century followers never owned the Bible, never read the Bible...because there was no ‘the Bible’ to be had or read. There was no ‘the Bible’ until the 4th century. There were tens of thousands of Christians before there ever was ‘the Bible’. The Bible did not create Christianity. It’s the other way around. Well said, and true. Some churches had a scrap of a letter from one evangelist that they reverenced and often read, and others had another, and some had a copy of one of them, and some had no New Testament scripture at all. What they had was the faith. But many people are quick to question or attack a book that didn’t even exist when Christianity began. And many people clearly attack Christianity ‘by’ attacking the Bible. That tactic fails miserably. Christianity would still be true even if every Bible and manuscript in the world were non-existent.
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You ever hear of The Old Testament? What we call the Old Testament didn't exist under one cover till about the Fifth Century AD. They were a collection of scriptures, and churches disagreed as to which ones should be called sacred, i.e., canonical, and which apocryphal, and which merely to be respected. And the Old Testament scriptures didn’t become the first part of the Christian Bible, first. Early Jesus followers, ‘not’ the Jews themselves, saw that they pointed to the Messiah, who they recognized and believed to be Jesus.
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You ever hear of The Old Testament?
What we call the Old Testament didn't exist under one cover till about the Fourth Century AD. They were a collection of scriptures, and churches disagreed as to which ones should be called sacred, i.e., canonical, and which apocryphal, and which merely to be respected. Maybe you could tell me what was translated from Hebrew to Latin 250 before Jesus was born.
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You ever hear of The Old Testament?
What we call the Old Testament didn't exist under one cover till about the Fourth Century AD. They were a collection of scriptures, and churches disagreed as to which ones should be called sacred, i.e., canonical, and which apocryphal, and which merely to be respected. Maybe you could tell me what was translated from Hebrew to Latin 250 before Jesus was born. Do you mean Greek? The Septuagint was a collection of scriptures that Greek speaking Jews considered important to their religion, which included the Torah, the Psalms, the prophets, etc., all translated into Greek so they could understand it. Very few Jews could read the original Hebrew. The Septuagint wasn't something they considered canonical, though. They disagreed as to the relative importance of the various scriptures within the Septuagint. Some they just considered histories, not sacred, e.g., the Maccabees.
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Genesis specifies morning and evening of each day. This is undeniable. It's there for anyone to see and read. Morning and evening of each day cannot mean eons, millions or billions of years.
You clearly didn't read my post. I read it, but it made no sense. You failed to understand it. Read it again, slowly. It was wrong the first time and it was wrong the next. What makes you think it's true?
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We are living in the end times. Same has been thought by Christians from day 1...surely this time it'll be correct. There are many (and more than a few here) that are gonna be sooo disappointed if it doesn’t happen while they’re alive. The Tribulation is on its way. We don't know if the "end times" are going to be a time period that lasts 3 more weeks or 1,000 years, but these are the end times. As is always prudent, keep your powder dry. Truth. Like the Watchman awaiting his Master’s return. We know not when......
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Many people have what they call 'truth,' yet cannot agree amongst themselves on what that may be.
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Many people have what they call 'truth,' yet cannot agree amongst themselves on what that may be. It’s called human nature.
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There's an interesting theory in physics that says something to the effect that time stretches. It makes 200 year old people and 7 day creations possible. Now there's an interesting idea if I've ever heard one. That explains Methushael and 969 years.
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It was wrong the first time and it was wrong the next. What makes you think it's true?
I reformulated it to be easier to understand. Try it now.
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The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God. They are corrupt, they have done abominable works, there is none that doeth good.
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You ever hear of The Old Testament?
What we call the Old Testament didn't exist under one cover till about the Fourth Century AD. They were a collection of scriptures, and churches disagreed as to which ones should be called sacred, i.e., canonical, and which apocryphal, and which merely to be respected. What did Jesus refer to when He told the Jews, "You search the Scriptures...?"
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You ever hear of The Old Testament?
What we call the Old Testament didn't exist under one cover till about the Fourth Century AD. They were a collection of scriptures, and churches disagreed as to which ones should be called sacred, i.e., canonical, and which apocryphal, and which merely to be respected. What did Jesus refer to when He told the Jews, "You search the Scriptures...?" Scriptures. "The Old Testament" isn't one to one equatable with "Scriptures," as I thought I explained. In fact, Protestants and Catholics don't even agree on what books belong in "The Old Testament." Jews didn't even have anything called that. They had scriptures of varying levels of importance to them, and not considered one book.
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