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Yet trashing folks because they believe remains fair game? It is if they persist in pushing their belief upon others. Is it "pushing their belief" for someone to start a thread on the fire?
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When you tell people that, if they don't believe your specific ancient story/mythology (out of several thousand different religions currently "believed" to be true by their followers), despite no objective proof that said ancient story is true, they are going to eternal hell, well, some people don't take it nicely.
And when those people quote their own ancient story/book as their evidence of said story/book being true, well, again, you're gonna get a few eye rolls.
It is impossible to have a logical discussion about something that requires faith to believe.
While not impossible, it's very difficult to have a civil discussion about something that requires faith to believe unless everyone involved has the same beliefs.
You mean like believing in evolution? You mean you don't believe living organisms evolve?
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Yet trashing folks because they believe remains fair game? It is if they persist in pushing their belief upon others. Is it "pushing their belief" for someone to start a thread on the fire? "A though on the religious threads" This one invited comment.
These are my opinions, feel free to disagree.
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Righteous judgment can only mean one thing you are using God's word as the judgment standard. God's word. As written by whom again? And interpreted by...you?
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Yet trashing folks because they believe remains fair game? It is if they persist in pushing their belief upon others. Is it "pushing their belief" for someone to start a thread on the fire? "A though on the religious threads" This one invited comment. Absolutely. But that doesn't answer the question. Is it "pushing their belief" for someone to start a thread on the fire?
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Rabid, proselytizing, bible spouting Christians are no better, than rabid, proselytizing, Marx-Engels spouting Democrats( marxists, socialists, progressives). They both KNOW BETTER than the proletariat/unbeliever. The Christians and the Democrats, in their minds are so morally superior to the bourgeoisie that they feel it is their duty to tell the unbeliever not only how to live but what to believe. And also what is to be rendered unto Caesar. Stunning supreme elitist arrogance. Even the 'Master Race' did not require every person to join the Nazi Party. I suppose there are Christian bashing atheists, I don't know any, speaking for myself only, I just would prefer not to be told what is best for me or my family, by Democrats or Christians. Good Christians lead by example rather than finger pointing and lecturing, shunning and witch burning. When you are stuck in the bible belt, the Christian principles of humility, love, and tolerance are harder to find than one might suppose.
Well this is a fine pickle we're in, should'a listened to Joe McCarthy and George Orwell I guess.
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It’s pretty simple and easy to not open a thread if you’re not interested in the subject matter.
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Absolutely.
But that doesn't answer the question.
Is it "pushing their belief" for someone to start a thread on the fire?
Interesting question really...depends entirely on the content and how it is presented. For instance, a thread that wishes seasons greeting and good cheer is inclusive. A thread that includes "I want to hear my beliefs coming out of your mouth" is proselytizing
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I couldn't care less what religion someone is, or if they have no religion at all (unless that person believes that their religion requires that they kill me or convert me.....then I guess I care). I prefer to judge people on their day to day actions, how they treat others, their position on government, etc... This ^^^^ - as a Christian, I believe in letting others make their own mistakes. The good Lord knows I've made enough of my own. Don't push your religion on me - 'cause I won't push mine on you. There's already enough strife in this world.
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[quote=goalie]When you tell people that, if they don't believe your specific ancient story/mythology (out of several thousand different religions currently "believed" to be true by their followers), despite no objective proof that said ancient story is true, they are going to eternal hell, well, some people don't take it nicely.
And when those people quote their own ancient story/book as their evidence of said story/book being true, well, again, you're gonna get a few eye rolls.
It is impossible to have a logical discussion about something that requires faith to believe.
While not impossible, it's very difficult to have a civil discussion about something that requires faith to believe unless everyone involved has the same beliefs.
You mean like believing in evolution?[/quote +1
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I couldn't care less what religion someone is, or if they have no religion at all (unless that person believes that their religion requires that they kill me or convert me.....then I guess I care). I prefer to judge people on their day to day actions, how they treat others, their position on government, etc... This ^^^^ - as a Christian, I believe in letting others make their own mistakes. The good Lord knows I've made enough of my own. Don't push your religion on me - 'cause I won't push mine on you. There's already enough strife in this world. My type of neighbour.
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Righteous judgment can only mean one thing you are using God's word as the judgment standard. God's word. As written by whom again? And interpreted by...you? 👍👍👍
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Righteous judgment can only mean one thing you are using God's word as the judgment standard. God's word. As written by whom again? And interpreted by...you? 👍👍👍 Now now you two, no picking on the challenged.
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Righteous judgment can only mean one thing you are using God's word as the judgment standard. God's word. As written by whom again? And interpreted by...you? As written by God through special men. Apparently "judge not" doesn't need interpretation. So it stands to reason "judge with righteous judgment" is just as clear. That is to those who are not "willfully ignorant."
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Rabid, proselytizing, bible spouting Christians are no better, than rabid, proselytizing, Marx-Engels spouting Democrats( marxists, socialists, progressives). They both KNOW BETTER than the proletariat/unbeliever. The Christians and the Democrats, in their minds are so morally superior to the bourgeoisie that they feel it is their duty to tell the unbeliever not only how to live but what to believe. And also what is to be rendered unto Caesar. Stunning supreme elitist arrogance. Even the 'Master Race' did not require every person to join the Nazi Party. I suppose there are Christian bashing atheists, I don't know any, speaking for myself only, I just would prefer not to be told what is best for me or my family, by Democrats or Christians. Good Christians lead by example rather than finger pointing and lecturing, shunning and witch burning. When you are stuck in the bible belt, the Christian principles of humility, love, and tolerance are harder to find than one might suppose. My type of neighbor ^^ That's pretty eloquently stated for an old backwoodsman like you, isn't it?
The desert is a true treasure for him who seeks refuge from men and the evil of men.
In it is contentment
In it is death and all you seek
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Absolutely.
But that doesn't answer the question.
Is it "pushing their belief" for someone to start a thread on the fire?
Interesting question really...depends entirely on the content and how it is presented. For instance, a thread that wishes seasons greeting and good cheer is inclusive. A thread that includes "I want to hear my beliefs coming out of your mouth" is proselytizing That would be true, if you can explain how a posted thread forces another poster to respond in some fashion.
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Righteous judgment can only mean one thing you are using God's word as the judgment standard. God's word. As written by whom again? And interpreted by...you? As written by God through special men. Apparently "judge not" doesn't need interpretation. So it stands to reason "judge with righteous judgment" is just as clear. That is to those who are not "willfully ignorant." "Special men" Just one example below... One among many ....... LMFAO!!!! ![[Linked Image from i.postimg.cc]](https://i.postimg.cc/PrDNtjgx/85827663.jpg)
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Absolutely.
But that doesn't answer the question.
Is it "pushing their belief" for someone to start a thread on the fire?
Interesting question really...depends entirely on the content and how it is presented. For instance, a thread that wishes seasons greeting and good cheer is inclusive. A thread that includes "I want to hear my beliefs coming out of your mouth" is proselytizing That would be true, if you can explain how a posted thread forces another poster to respond in some fashion. Same way you responded to mine. You didn't have to.
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Absolutely.
But that doesn't answer the question.
Is it "pushing their belief" for someone to start a thread on the fire?
Interesting question really...depends entirely on the content and how it is presented. For instance, a thread that wishes seasons greeting and good cheer is inclusive. A thread that includes "I want to hear my beliefs coming out of your mouth" is proselytizing That would be true, if you can explain how a posted thread forces another poster to respond in some fashion. Same way you responded to mine. You didn't have to. True. But, I'm not the one that's taking the position that a thread started in support of a belief in a higher power invites argument relative to the veracity of that belief.
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Absolutely.
But that doesn't answer the question.
Is it "pushing their belief" for someone to start a thread on the fire?
Interesting question really...depends entirely on the content and how it is presented. For instance, a thread that wishes seasons greeting and good cheer is inclusive. A thread that includes "I want to hear my beliefs coming out of your mouth" is proselytizing That would be true, if you can explain how a posted thread forces another poster to respond in some fashion. Same way you responded to mine. You didn't have to. Isnt all of this along the lines of free will giving to man by God IIRC.
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