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Originally Posted by Ringman
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When you tell people that, if they don't believe your specific ancient story/mythology (out of several thousand different religions currently "believed" to be true by their followers), despite no objective proof that said ancient story is true, they are going to eternal hell, well, some people don't take it nicely.

And when those people quote their own ancient story/book as their evidence of said story/book being true, well, again, you're gonna get a few eye rolls.

It is impossible to have a logical discussion about something that requires faith to believe.

While not impossible, it's very difficult to have a civil discussion about something that requires faith to believe unless everyone involved has the same beliefs.



You mean like believing in evolution?

Actually, you can have a great debate about evolution, with both sides picking and choosing how to apply the scientific method to the data we have.

You can't do that with religion. And, since you can't logically "prove" a negative, it's all mental masturbation


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Before I took Lord Jesus into my heart, I would listen to false profits on the radio. The kind only wanting money.

I still believe anything that make us think is good, even if "The seed falls on rocky soil".


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Originally Posted by goalie
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Originally Posted by goalie
When you tell people that, if they don't believe your specific ancient story/mythology (out of several thousand different religions currently "believed" to be true by their followers), despite no objective proof that said ancient story is true, they are going to eternal hell, well, some people don't take it nicely.

And when those people quote their own ancient story/book as their evidence of said story/book being true, well, again, you're gonna get a few eye rolls.

It is impossible to have a logical discussion about something that requires faith to believe.

While not impossible, it's very difficult to have a civil discussion about something that requires faith to believe unless everyone involved has the same beliefs.



You mean like believing in evolution?

Actually, you can have a great debate about evolution, with both sides picking and choosing how to apply the scientific method to the data we have.

You can't do that with religion. And, since you can't logically "prove" a negative, it's all mental masturbation


I guess you're not familiar with legal historical evidence. Facts are facts whether we accept them or not.


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Lets all go to a religious forum and discuss guns and hunting....What a load of BS

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Originally Posted by Ringman
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Originally Posted by goalie
When you tell people that, if they don't believe your specific ancient story/mythology (out of several thousand different religions currently "believed" to be true by their followers), despite no objective proof that said ancient story is true, they are going to eternal hell, well, some people don't take it nicely.

And when those people quote their own ancient story/book as their evidence of said story/book being true, well, again, you're gonna get a few eye rolls.

It is impossible to have a logical discussion about something that requires faith to believe.

While not impossible, it's very difficult to have a civil discussion about something that requires faith to believe unless everyone involved has the same beliefs.



You mean like believing in evolution?

Actually, you can have a great debate about evolution, with both sides picking and choosing how to apply the scientific method to the data we have.

You can't do that with religion. And, since you can't logically "prove" a negative, it's all mental masturbation


I guess you're not familiar with legal historical evidence. Facts are facts whether we accept them or not.


What, specifically, are you stating is "fact" that can be objectively verified and doesn't require faith to believe?

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Originally Posted by IZH27
This is aimed at those who name the name of Christ as important and integral to their life.

If your view of others in relation to your view of Christ and yourself cause you to view non-believers or those of another religion in such a way that you dehumanize them, see them in a lesser way than you view yourself, your view of God and yourself is in need of a catastrophic immediate evaluation.

I don't know where you would get that idea.
The believers here have taken the opposite stance.
Example,

1. We don't have a religion that teaches that people are nothing more than higher evolved animals.
Noted infamous evolutionists like Adolph Hitler, Magaret Sanger, Bill Gates and his parents do. They made attempts to " lower the population" and see people as lesser than us.

2. Even those who are unborn and not contributing $ to society are made in the image of God and thus endued with special status different from the animal kingdom.

3. The most polite of society I've met have been open out of the closet Christians. The most back stabbing evil people that have treated others with the most malthusian, end justifying the means actions have been out of the closet homosexual agnistics and atheists. Those have been my experiences, however not all of them are in those same two or three categories.

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Originally Posted by 700LH
Lets all go to a religious forum and discuss guns and hunting....What a load of BS


This forum is 24hourcampfire. Almost anything comes up around a campfire.

Maybe you didn't notice the name of this thread.


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Originally Posted by Happy_Camper
Noted infamous evolutionists like Adolph Hitler.....

Hitler was Catholic.....Just saying.


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Malthusian,homo agnostic backstabbing atheists.

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Originally Posted by antelope_sniper
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Noted infamous evolutionists like Adolph Hitler.....

Hitler was Catholic.....Just saying.

Correct.
At least in affiliation.
I think he and some of his close associates were more occultists than true catholics. Certainly he was a hard core evolutionist. He was philosophically a eugenicist.

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Originally Posted by goalie

What, specifically, are you stating is "fact" that can be objectively verified and doesn't require faith to believe?


Just as evidence is presented in court one can present evidence from history. The most documented fact of history prior to the printing press is the life, death, and resurrection of Jesus. Both protagonist and antagonist gave opinions about the time Christianity starter. No one challenged His histoity.


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LMFAO!!!
Between the Avatar and the tub of fruit loops
Holy schit!!!

Dying Laffin!!!


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Originally Posted by Ringman
Originally Posted by goalie

What, specifically, are you stating is "fact" that can be objectively verified and doesn't require faith to believe?


Just as evidence is presented in court one can present evidence from history. The most documented fact of history prior to the printing press is the life, death, and resurrection of Jesus. Both protagonist and antagonist gave opinions about the time Christianity starter. No one challenged His histoity.


Um, you're trying to say the resurrection, not just the life, of Jesus of Nazareth is historical fact????

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Originally Posted by flintlocke
Rabid, proselytizing, bible spouting Christians are no better, than rabid, proselytizing, Marx-Engels spouting Democrats( marxists, socialists, progressives). They both KNOW BETTER than the proletariat/unbeliever. The Christians and the Democrats, in their minds are so morally superior to the bourgeoisie that they feel it is their duty to tell the unbeliever not only how to live but what to believe. And also what is to be rendered unto Caesar. Stunning supreme elitist arrogance. Even the 'Master Race' did not require every person to join the Nazi Party. I suppose there are Christian bashing atheists, I don't know any, speaking for myself only, I just would prefer not to be told what is best for me or my family, by Democrats or Christians. Good Christians lead by example rather than finger pointing and lecturing, shunning and witch burning. When you are stuck in the bible belt, the Christian principles of humility, love, and tolerance are harder to find than one might suppose.



That's some palpable hatred right there. Let it flow, let it flow.

Comparing me to Hitler is one thing but DEMOCRATS? Man that's a low blow. cry

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Originally Posted by Ringman
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Righteous judgment can only mean one thing you are using God's word as the judgment standard.


God's word.
As written by whom again?
And interpreted by...you?



As written by God through special men. Apparently "judge not" doesn't need interpretation. So it stands to reason "judge with righteous judgment" is just as clear. That is to those who are not "willfully ignorant."


I had not considered the Special Men - hard to logic my way out of that one. Food for thought, thank you.

On the topic of special boys, are you familiar with Joseph Smith?

He was a very special boy. He received a record of sorts from an angel on some hill in BFE, NY. Gold tablets in a special angel language that only he could understand. He translated them and began to convert people. Some of the folks wanted to see the tablets, unfortunately he lost them. NOT to worry though, he promised he wouldn't lie about something important like the written word of god. Fast forward we now have the LDS and special undies.

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Originally Posted by RJY66
Originally Posted by flintlocke
Rabid, proselytizing, bible spouting Christians are no better, than rabid, proselytizing, Marx-Engels spouting Democrats( marxists, socialists, progressives). They both KNOW BETTER than the proletariat/unbeliever. The Christians and the Democrats, in their minds are so morally superior to the bourgeoisie that they feel it is their duty to tell the unbeliever not only how to live but what to believe. And also what is to be rendered unto Caesar. Stunning supreme elitist arrogance. Even the 'Master Race' did not require every person to join the Nazi Party. I suppose there are Christian bashing atheists, I don't know any, speaking for myself only, I just would prefer not to be told what is best for me or my family, by Democrats or Christians. Good Christians lead by example rather than finger pointing and lecturing, shunning and witch burning. When you are stuck in the bible belt, the Christian principles of humility, love, and tolerance are harder to find than one might suppose.



That's some palpable hatred right there. Let it flow, let it flow.

Comparing me to Hitler is one thing but DEMOCRATS? Man that's a low blow. cry




Well yes...I thought that was particularly mean.


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Originally Posted by hillestadj


I had not considered the Special Men - hard to logic my way out of that one. Food for thought, thank you.

On the topic of special boys, are you familiar with Joseph Smith?

He was a very special boy. He received a record of sorts from an angel on some hill in BFE, NY. Gold tablets in a special angel language that only he could understand. He translated them and began to convert people. Some of the folks wanted to see the tablets, unfortunately he lost them. NOT to worry though, he promised he wouldn't lie about something important like the written word of god. Fast forward we now have the LDS and special undies.



Now don't be mean, I am sure ringy-thingy knows all about "special" Men.


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Beautiful!

How's that?

Concise enough for you?


The desert is a true treasure for him who seeks refuge from men and the evil of men.
In it is contentment
In it is death and all you seek
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