Im wondering why the believers are conversing in this thread with the dead.
Do you believers not believe what HE said? HE said to shake their dust of your feet, didn't HE? Like in ashes to ashes and dust to dust.
Didnt HE say to not give pearls to swine. Are they not your enemy who would turn on you and kill you?
They are those of the flesh you consort with who long ago took your forebearers and burned them at the stake along the way and to light the way from their high places to the Coliseum, where their forefathers fed yours to the lions.
Why attend their jolly party of folly? Why wallow with pigs in the mud?
They arent too blind to see the state of their country and govt after they got HIM kicked out of school and government, yet there are those of you who think you will open their eyes.
You believers think you can make satan give his winnings up?
They know the word and the Good News, yet they reject it.
Convers with your own kind on your own thread.
HE has left those you argue with behind. If HE is your Master and you are HIS flock, follow HIM.
My take is that before God gave me the gift of faith I was also full of doubt and questions. The whole Bible is the story of God’s chasing down a people who, due to nothing in and of themselves, He loved.
How can I view people any other way?
Fact is I’ve met and shared friendships with some non-believers who had much greater depth of character than some believers I’ve known.
If God saw fit to sacrifice His Son to make communion with a lost race possible, what does it say if I choose to do otherwise?
Pastor Ray Comforts faith told him the Cavendish banana (a result of hybridization by man) was designed perfectly that way by his god. Prime example where faith does not lead to truth. Keep the flock ignorant and where you want them.
Originally Posted by antelope_sniper
Originally Posted by CCCC
Originally Posted by DBT
Originally Posted by CCCC
Originally Posted by DBT
Faith is not the way to truth.
Would you kindly explain how and why that statement is truth?
Faith is a belief held without the support of evidence. Hindus, Muslims, Jews, Christians, etc, etc, have faith in their own version of God or gods and theology, their own 'truth,' but logically they can't all have the truth, what they believe contradicts each other. What is being believed on faith is not necessary true and factual.
Your response is understandable and accurate to some degree - however, you have provided nothing that proves, or even demonstrates, truth in your original statement. It is neither simple, nor easy.
Did you actually read what he wrote?'"Faith is a belief held without the support of evidence."
Yes, I read it and can see what was requested. He offered zero proof, of anything. Kindly explain how you see "proof" in his mere expression of a view "Faith is a belief held without the support of evidence".
Im wondering why the believers are conversing in this thread with the dead.
Do you believers not believe what HE said? HE said to shake their dust of your feet, didn't HE? Like in ashes to ashes and dust to dust.
Didnt HE say to not give pearls to swine. Are they not your enemy who would turn on you and kill you?
They are those of the flesh you consort with who long ago took your forebearers and burned them at the stake along the way and to light the way from their high places to the Coliseum, where their forefathers fed yours to the lions.
Why attend their jolly party of folly? Why wallow with pigs in the mud?
They arent too blind to see the state of their country and govt after they got HIM kicked out of school and government, yet there are those of you who think you will open their eyes.
You believers think you can make satan give his winnings up?
They know the word and the Good News, yet they reject it.
Convers with your own kind on your own thread.
HE has left those you argue with behind. If HE is your Master and you are HIS flock, follow HIM.
Right on Dr Jag....the usual collection of fools in these types of threads are always entertaining and oh so predictable.
It is irrelevant what you think. What matters is the TRUTH.
Those who can not understand faith will certainly not understand the gift of the Holy Spirit. When one sees what the Holy Spirit does for a believer from within, it supports the faith which they can profess.
The true wish is that everyone can accept the gift and know the peace belief gives.
CCCC has shown numerous times how naive and ignorant he is to the everyday world around him...faith seems to destroy faculties of reason and logic.
Now, he arrives, You never fail to fail, Starman, for you always resort to personal attacks - can't seem to resist trying to wedge your nastiness into any old topic if it gives you an opportunity to try some bashing. Is that the only way you can hope to build your self-image? If a guy were to be ignorant and naive as you bash it, how can it be so easy for him to expose your lowly state? I am beginning to think you are a very unhappy and disgusting self-failure.
CCCC has shown numerous times how naive and ignorant he is to the everyday world around him.
Well, definitions are sometimes difficult to grasp.....
Well - now that you too are close to joining the senseless bashing of the unknown - consider the notion that fools are even more difficult to grasp. Are you as weak and as desperate as Starman?
Pastor Ray Comforts faith told him the Cavendish banana (a result of hybridization by man) was designed perfectly that way by his god. Prime example where faith does not lead to truth. Keep the flock ignorant and where you want them.
Originally Posted by antelope_sniper
Originally Posted by CCCC
Originally Posted by DBT
Originally Posted by CCCC
Originally Posted by DBT
Faith is not the way to truth.
Would you kindly explain how and why that statement is truth?
Faith is a belief held without the support of evidence. Hindus, Muslims, Jews, Christians, etc, etc, have faith in their own version of God or gods and theology, their own 'truth,' but logically they can't all have the truth, what they believe contradicts each other. What is being believed on faith is not necessary true and factual.
Your response is understandable and accurate to some degree - however, you have provided nothing that proves, or even demonstrates, truth in your original statement. It is neither simple, nor easy.
Did you actually read what he wrote?'"Faith is a belief held without the support of evidence."
Yes, I read it and can see what was requested. He offered zero proof, of anything. Kindly explain how you see "proof" in his mere expression of a view "Faith is a belief held without the support of evidence".
Google "dictionary" then type in "faith"
Originally Posted by mauserand9mm
Originally Posted by mauserand9mm
Originally Posted by Raspy
Whatever you said...everyone knows you are a lying jerk.
That's a bold assertion. Point out where you think I lied.
CCCC has shown numerous times how naive and ignorant he is to the everyday world around him...faith seems to destroy faculties of reason and logic.
Now, he arrives, You never fail to fail, Starman, for you always resort to personal attacks - can't seem to resist trying to wedge your nastiness into any old topic if it gives you an opportunity to try some bashing. Is that the only way you can hope to build your self-image? If a guy were to be ignorant and naive as you bash it, how can it be so easy for him to expose your lowly state? I am beginning to think you are a very unhappy and disgusting self-failure.
Pointing out facts concerning you is deemed a personal attack ?..LoL
How about just humbly owning the ignorance you display rather than playing the victim.
You are yet another example of where faith does not lead to truth.
-Bulletproof and Waterproof don't mean Idiotproof.
I'm not going to attempt to address a snippet of a quote from a post of mine. No context there.
You referred to “the essence of Christianity” here...
Originally Posted by IZH27
I agree with much of what you have observed having observed it and seen the impact of that mentality. I don't believe that such things are examples of Christianity but rather examples of moralism and legalism, neither of which is the essence of Christianity.
I’m asking you, in your estimation, what is “the essence of Christianity...?”
Again. You post a response of mine to another post yet I can't read the other post to contextualize my response.
Is “the essence of Christianity” different, in your estimation, depending upon the context in which it was referred to by you...? Or is “the essence of Christianity”, in your estimation, always the the same, regardless of the context in which it was referred to by you...? Basically, regardless of anything else, I’m asking you what, in your estimation, is “the essence of Christianity”...?
The essence of Christianity? If God is unchanging the message of the Gospel is unchanged from the beginning of Genesis to the end of Revelation. The essence of Christianity is found in John 3:16. However, That passage, taken in context is descriptive and not prescriptive. There is a lot behind that conversation but it's not subject matter for this thread.
CCCC has shown numerous times how naive and ignorant he is to the everyday world around him...faith seems to destroy faculties of reason and logic.
Now, he arrives, You never fail to fail, Starman, for you always resort to personal attacks - can't seem to resist trying to wedge your nastiness into any old topic if it gives you an opportunity to try some bashing. Is that the only way you can hope to build your self-image? If a guy were to be ignorant and naive as you bash it, how can it be so easy for him to expose your lowly state? I am beginning to think you are a very unhappy and disgusting self-failure.
Pointing out facts concerning you is deemed a personal attack ?..LoL How about just humbly owning the ignorance you display rather that playing the victim.
Now you are really playing the fool, Starman. You do not cite, or even possess, fact one - you do not even know me. Try kindergarten - learn the difference between a fact and an opinion. Only a fool would try to conjure "facts" about another person in such a vacuous attempt to save face. It must be most dissatisfying to you (see Maslow) to find - every time - that I am never a victim to your nastiness. Actually, your personal revelations of frailty and emptiness are helpful - providing perspective with which to recognize the strong and upstanding persons we find everywhere. Does that come across as naive and ignorant?
Rabid, proselytizing, bible spouting Christians are no better, than rabid, proselytizing, Marx-Engels spouting Democrats( marxists, socialists, progressives). They both KNOW BETTER than the proletariat/unbeliever. The Christians and the Democrats, in their minds are so morally superior to the bourgeoisie that they feel it is their duty to tell the unbeliever not only how to live but what to believe. And also what is to be rendered unto Caesar. Stunning supreme elitist arrogance. Even the 'Master Race' did not require every person to join the Nazi Party. I suppose there are Christian bashing atheists, I don't know any, speaking for myself only, I just would prefer not to be told what is best for me or my family, by Democrats or Christians. Good Christians lead by example rather than finger pointing and lecturing, shunning and witch burning. When you are stuck in the bible belt, the Christian principles of humility, love, and tolerance are harder to find than one might suppose.
I agree with much of what you have observed having observed it and seen the impact of that mentality. I don't believe that such things are examples of Christianity but rather examples of moralism and legalism, neither of which is the essence of Christianity.
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The context of my response and the specific statement, by flintlocke, to which I was responding.
...You do not cite, or even possess, fact one - you do not even know me. ..
We know you from your history of CF posts sufficient to deduce you are naive and ignorant to the world around and hiding behind your faith.
Originally Posted by CCCC
- that I am never a victim to your nastiness.
one post ago you claimed personal attack...🙄
Originally Posted by CCCC
...the strong and upstanding persons we find everywhere.
anyone who swallows the clueless brain-dead BS you have posted at times I would not consider strong and upstanding or even reasonably aware and intelligent.
-Bulletproof and Waterproof don't mean Idiotproof.
…. The essence of Christianity? If God is unchanging the message of the Gospel is unchanged from the beginning of Genesis to the end of Revelation. The essence of Christianity is found in John 3:16. However, That passage, taken in context is descriptive and not prescriptive. There is a lot behind that conversation but it's not subject matter for this thread.
Yeah but you used the term in your post, so it must've meant something to you. That's an allusive non-answer if I've ever seen one, but keep up the subterfuge - it doesn't dissapoint.
Originally Posted by mauserand9mm
Originally Posted by mauserand9mm
Originally Posted by Raspy
Whatever you said...everyone knows you are a lying jerk.
That's a bold assertion. Point out where you think I lied.
Pastor Ray Comforts faith told him the Cavendish banana (a result of hybridization by man) was designed perfectly that way by his god. Prime example where faith does not lead to truth. Keep the flock ignorant and where you want them.
Originally Posted by antelope_sniper
Originally Posted by CCCC
Originally Posted by DBT
Originally Posted by CCCC
Originally Posted by DBT
Faith is not the way to truth.
Would you kindly explain how and why that statement is truth?
Faith is a belief held without the support of evidence. Hindus, Muslims, Jews, Christians, etc, etc, have faith in their own version of God or gods and theology, their own 'truth,' but logically they can't all have the truth, what they believe contradicts each other. What is being believed on faith is not necessary true and factual.
Your response is understandable and accurate to some degree - however, you have provided nothing that proves, or even demonstrates, truth in your original statement. It is neither simple, nor easy.
Did you actually read what he wrote?'"Faith is a belief held without the support of evidence."
Yes, I read it and can see what was requested. He offered zero proof, of anything. Kindly explain how you see "proof" in his mere expression of a view "Faith is a belief held without the support of evidence".
Google "dictionary" then type in "faith"
mauserand9mm, thanks, however I did not ask for a definition - seems like I learned that a long time ago. (copied one below for you). For clarity, I asked the poster to provide "proof" of his statement about the way to truth. Have you seen that yet? Definition of faith 1a : allegiance to duty or a person : b(1) : fidelity to one's promises (2) : sincerity of intentions 2a(1) : belief and trust in and loyalty to God (2) : belief in the traditional doctrines of a religion b(1) : firm belief in something for which there is no proof clinging to the faith that her missing son would one day return (2) : complete trust 3 : something that is believed especially with strong conviction especially : a system of religious beliefs the Protestant faith on faith: without question took everything he said on faith faith verb faithed; faithing; faiths transitive verb archaic: believe, trust
Pastor Ray Comforts faith told him the Cavendish banana (a result of hybridization by man) was designed perfectly that way by his god. Prime example where faith does not lead to truth. Keep the flock ignorant and where you want them.
Originally Posted by antelope_sniper
Originally Posted by CCCC
Originally Posted by DBT
Originally Posted by CCCC
Originally Posted by DBT
Faith is not the way to truth.
Would you kindly explain how and why that statement is truth?
Faith is a belief held without the support of evidence. Hindus, Muslims, Jews, Christians, etc, etc, have faith in their own version of God or gods and theology, their own 'truth,' but logically they can't all have the truth, what they believe contradicts each other. What is being believed on faith is not necessary true and factual.
Your response is understandable and accurate to some degree - however, you have provided nothing that proves, or even demonstrates, truth in your original statement. It is neither simple, nor easy.
Did you actually read what he wrote?'"Faith is a belief held without the support of evidence."
Yes, I read it and can see what was requested. He offered zero proof, of anything. Kindly explain how you see "proof" in his mere expression of a view "Faith is a belief held without the support of evidence".
Google "dictionary" then type in "faith"
mauserand9mm, thanks, however I did not ask for a definition - seems like I learned that a long time ago. (copied one below for you). For clarity, I asked the poster to provide "proof" of his statement about the way to truth. Have you seen that yet? Definition of faith 1a : allegiance to duty or a person : b(1) : fidelity to one's promises (2) : sincerity of intentions 2a(1) : belief and trust in and loyalty to God (2) : belief in the traditional doctrines of a religion b(1) : firm belief in something for which there is no proof clinging to the faith that her missing son would one day return (2) : complete trust 3 : something that is believed especially with strong conviction especially : a system of religious beliefs the Protestant faith on faith: without question took everything he said on faith faith verb faithed; faithing; faiths transitive verb archaic: believe, trust
Well the way I see it truth is supported by facts and evidence. Faith has no such reliance, and is devoid of facts and evidence. Believers want faith to be true and can only try and claim facts and evidence, which is actually living a lie. I would qualify onto DBT's statement "Faith is not the way to truth, and leads one away from it"
Originally Posted by mauserand9mm
Originally Posted by mauserand9mm
Originally Posted by Raspy
Whatever you said...everyone knows you are a lying jerk.
That's a bold assertion. Point out where you think I lied.
