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Id be glad to see you bring some over to the saved side, Hastings. Especially that Antelope Sniper. He seems like a pretty sharp guy.

CCCC,
It's those darn definitions getting in our way again. To be clear, by argument ment:

2.a reason or set of reasons given with the aim of persuading others that an action or idea is right or wrong.

I did NOT mean:

1.an exchange of diverging or opposite views, typically a heated or angry one.

Especially the "heated or angry" part. I'll leave the "heated or angry" to Doc. I see no reason you and I cannot maintain our typical collegiate spirit to our discussion.

Faith complicates everything, because it lacks substance, so it's a case of anything goes, that's why there are the multitudes of religious beliefs and disparity within the clans. Faith came about from a way to understand the world and to try and justify why things happened. It looks like the rules were modified over time to try and cover all bases and scenarios, resulting in particular in the contradicting fairy tale that they call the bible. If your faith works for you, then well and good. Don't come crying to the non-believers and say it's all too complicated. We accept that we don't have all the answers but certainly have no reason to adopt any faith due to all the falsehoods contained within them - we don't share in the fear propaganda either. We don't believe lies.

If one is raised on convoluted tales of antiquity
it can be difficult to break free from the tangled
web of nonsense...many find it easier to stay
there and get offended when they look stupid.

One, like me, that has never learned, been taught, or possibly "stooped" to the depths of worshiping, begging, relying on not one mother fu-king thing on this earth or anywhere else simply requires PROOF.

I happen to be married to the most beautiful vagina in the world, would i die protecting her? you bet, do i worship or have ever begged to her for any damn thing? fu-k no, and will never, i think religious are mostly brow beaten easily lead men that stayed WAAYYY to fu-king long on mamas titties, hope the fu-k none bathe with mama either!

"general weakness in males causes the need to join a group/congregation," and that came from a lab coat guy a hell of a lot smarter than me, which isn't saying much.

After reading these 300+ replies I can understand someone being leery of Jesus' "friends".

I would agree that your assertion applies equally across the board....believers, non-believers, black, white, Asian, atheists, etc ad nauseum. Looking down on others as less than human would not be something that I see Christ doing or wanting us to do.

Enemies are a different matter. 😁

Will one of you parishioners not tell us [me] how you learned/were taught, to submit, beg, worship? how does a man bend a knee, kneel, cry, plead, submit, give up, quit, and really mean it? i cant/will never be able to get to that place.

I dont believe that what you ask for 'demand' "without ridicule" is honestly possible for some, and i mean honest, fu-k acting,performing, singing for your supper bullshlt!

How did you arrive, and still be in possession of your balls?

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"firm belief in something for which there is no proof" seems a lot like "...a belief held without the support of evidence."
So, DBT uses a valid definition of faith, and clarified which one he intended, but somehow you are still arguing this is a valid pathway to truth, or are you arguing for a different definition of faith as a pathway to truth?

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DBT uses only a "dictionary" type definition of faith. He also does not understand or refuses to see that faith is a gift.... of God... from God.... There is no doubt once God gives the gift.

The Bible's take on faith.... and where it comes from .....is very different from DBT's view....


Seek God....with an honest heart, and God will be found. Then God and the man will have an interaction... then the man is never the same.

Don't seek God.....? Want to live your life without Him? Ok, that is your choice.

Nope, not a threat, just a warning...

Ever heard of logical contradictions?....where if one claim is true the opposite cannot be true. Brahman in Hinduism is not the same as Yahweh as described in the bible. If one is true, the other must be false...or both are false. Both cannot be true.

It is basic logic.

If something is believed without the support of evidence, it is called faith. In common usage, faith is used as a blanket term in reference to good will/in good faith, confidence, trust, etc....but this does not negate faith in the context of a conviction without the support of evidence, be it religious belief, ideology, politics, etc.

If you hold a belief without the support of evidence, your belief is held on the basis of faith. Simple as that.

All good.

gunner500, did you feel that way yourself last Fall, and for the preceding year, when you said you had some real interest of going to church with your wife full time...? I doubt it, but idk...that’s why I’m askin’.

Your mini-lecture about faith seems coherent, and certainly not unique to such discussions, but I see that you did not answer my inquiries. You seem to miss the point - or, maybe wish to portray a non-existent situation.
Have you read from my first post in this thread? It was a request that a poster offer proof for his/her assertion about the path to truth. I made no argument. Further, you had might as well not try to bait someone such as me with " Don't come crying to the non-believers " because, try as you might, you will not find an iota of that in my posts. I do not think of people as being "non-believers" and I certainly do not try to convince folks to "believe". Period. That is their business and they can try to justify it in any way they wish. If you think you saw that, or what you call "crying", kindly re-post it here and I will deal with it. Please note that you open your first line here citing the complication factor. I speak only for myself. For whom do you speak when you say "We"?

DBT provided a logical assertion. He gave you a fact and you questioned it (because you didn't like that it threatened your faith, or ownership of it, maybe?) and it went on from there. Your questions are like a kid having a tantrum to get some response that they are in need of.

You think of some as believers of the faith,
but don't differentiate others as non-believers?

DBT did provide an assertion, and no doubt he believed it to be logical. I did not question it at all - I simply asked him for his proof basis. Now, kindly quote the "fact" he gave, to which you refer. A fact now, not a belief or assertion.

By now you might realize that your derogatory speculation about why I would question something amounts to mere hot air - a useless dig to go along with your puerile analogy. Why do proclaimed self-assured folks feel the need to stoop to ad hominem attacks if they are so sure of themselves. Get this: I do not need any response of any type from you or DBT- you could have shut up some time ago and that would have been fine with me. But, for as long as you persist, I may retort just for the exercise. I simply think it good to challenge some of the flimsy things offered up in threads like this. Asking you to justify something on factual grounds does not at all indicate what you speculate to be a need or a tantrum - but it could indicate curiosity and learning.

Starbucks - are you back again - and still trying to tell me what I think? Repeated failures - doesn't that make you weary? "Believers" must be your term. It's not mine.

Are you being honest about that?

02/19/21

It wasn't an assertion. People do happen to believe in things without the support of evidence. It happens. There are countless examples of this, in religion, ideology, politics, etc.

Something that is believed to be true without the support of evidence is called faith.

That is not an unfounded assertion or claim, just an observation, basic logic and semantics.