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This was an interesting conversation but as usual it has degenerated in to an airy-fairy wishy-washy exercise in double talk.


I am guessing the approach of "if you cannot dazzle them with brilliance then by all means baffle them with bullshit" is in full swing.


Good night, I am working in the morn at the old diocese Bishop's residence...someone has to do the maintenance.

There is no subterfuge on my part. I am simply trying to keep the thread from drifting from my OP. If you would like to discuss Christianity and my view of what the religion is and means I am more than happy to do so. Just not here in this thread. This thread was written for the purpose of trying to get some of the people here that dehumanize non-believers to consider their error.

Yes. It certainly does go across the board no matter. I regret that the thread has devolved into a discussion of religion with a few random off topic thoughts thrown in. Contextually this thread wasn't started with the hope of proselytizing or deep discussion on the Christian faith. Thanks for bringing the OP up as a quote in your response. Hopefully it redirects the conversation.

I certainly agree that the dehumanization of others is not a Christian virtue but it certainly seems to be practiced as one. This thread is very instructive in that respect. I think that it is dehumanizing to demean others by such things as name calling, "pukes", "[bleep]", etc. because someone doesn't believe the same things. I think that it is equally dehumanizing to throw up random religious cliches and statements that have no context. Random verses and cliches pretty much have no meaning in isolation. It would seem that respect of the other would require contextualization.

Matt 7:6
Give not that which is holy unto the dogs, neither cast ye your pearls before swine, lest they trample them under their feet, and turn again and rend you.

So you come here to make some poignant statement about religion to a bunch of guys that find it acceptable to post pictures of nearly nude and some totally nude pictures of women.

What did you hope to accomplish?

HitnRun. Read my first and last post.

Yeah, well that’s what people do on a wide open discussion forum...they ‘discuss’. Again, it’s a wide open discussion forum; and that some chose to discuss deeply on the Christian faith (from ‘both’ sides) isn’t a bad thing.GMAB
The three verses that Jim1611 posted up on this thread clearly have meaning...and a lot of it...in and of themselves. At least to many ‘believers’.

Good point.
And which groups in society are trying to save unborn lives, elderly, disabled, and unbelievers?
Hint, it's not the local chapters of the Humanism Societies, or Athiests for Life. Lol

BTW,
IF you needed a morning devotional, I finally got around to posting a Bible thumping sermon .

https://www.24hourcampfire.com/ubbt...ne-crying-in-the-wilderness#Post15924450

Have a great day!

Maybe all of them have a lot of truth in them and were pretty similar to begin with. Truth that has been obscured by those that amend the original and sell their version to control, maintain societal stratification, and last but not least cash in and live as a parasite on the masses. I know Hindus and Moslems that accept the teachings of Jesus which is more than several books of the New Testament do in ascribing teachings to Jesus that he never uttered and in fact contradicted. If an atheist reads this long thread and decides to remain an atheist, I understand.

Antlers,

You're a student of history.
Last century.
You ever notice that more people were murdered by their own governments than any recorded time in history? Most of the slaughters were committed by Communists. Although some communists dictators tolerate a form of so called "christianity" as long as it submits to the state as supreme god. One main tenant of communism is the elimination of God. That means, no auonomous Biblically based, non state approved teaching/ preaching. Much like what some here want.
Dehumanization is EASY when people are not considered to be created in the image of their Creator.
Highly EVOLVED animals are already dehumanized.
This thread has only THAT leg to stand upon and it's already fallen.

Here's a good Bible thumping sermon (after 32) if you haven't had devotions yet today.

Later Antler s,
https://www.24hourcampfire.com/ubbt...ne-crying-in-the-wilderness#Post15924450

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LOl 😄

I'm not gonna guess how many here read Mundari; but introducing strangers, made in the image of their God to the Prince of Life is certainly Pro-life and pro-human.
I'm going to make a list of pro human organizations below from my phone book led by atheists and agnostic evolutionists. (University included.)

Frank, That's what I get trying post images today.

It's supposed to John 3:16 in Hebrew.

Here's just one pro human group in Arizona.
Large groups from here go to other countries every year and indian tribes, and schools, and unbelievers in other communities because they saturated their own.
Why?
To humanize them by providing them the biggest assets that they could not even earn in a lifetime.

https://www.24hourcampfire.com/ubbt...ne-crying-in-the-wilderness#Post15924450

Any wonder why there's been so much slander, defamation of character, and a campaign against them by the God hating socialists?

Have a blessed day Wabigoon!

You as well Frank, and all the 'fire!

Ok!
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Sorry, I read Mundari in the text link. 😄

Great job! There's probably a few here that can read that. I will pray for your outreach ministry my friend.

You need to read mine. You are too busy trying to make a point that is almost as confusing as the Nicene Creed. Then you sit back and watch the whole point of your thread get derailed and wonder why it happened here.

The derailing happened the way it does on every thread. People start talking about different things. I didn’t cause that.

At least to many believers. Maybe. Mostly they were verses that get quoted in isolation so often they they take on their own meaning outside the text.

You make my point. Random verses and cliches have no meaning to those who don’t believe. It is an ignorant means of communicating a message no matter how sincere the attempt.

“I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.”

“For all have sinned and come short of the glory of God.”

“For by one man's disobedience many were made sinners so by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous.”

These verses clearly have a lot of meaning, in and of themselves, to many believers. Just as John 3:16 does; they mean what they mean. And they stand on their own. Period. Can others be taken out of context...? Sure.....

A young man wanted to know God’s will, so he opened the Bible randomly and put his finger down on the first verse he saw: “So Judas went away and hanged himself” (Matthew 27:5). Not content with that, the young man flipped through the Bible again and landed on the verse: “Go and do likewise” (Luke 10:37).

The verses that Jim1611 posted stand on their own. Just as John 3:16 does. But this thread, ‘your’ thread, was clearly “aimed at those who name the name of Christ as important and integral to their life.”

Hello DBT - when mauserand9mm stated that you made an "assertion" I simply took the discussion from there - did not get wrapped into a characterization of what you were making. I have no disagreement with what you say above, other than a general observation that your definition of "faith" here is too strictly limited and simple to serve the discussions here. Not everyone defines faith in the same terms - and differing people see "evidence" differently - leaves a bunch of room for argument, and potential misunderstanding. I rather knew what would happen when someone pushed the "definition' aspect. Over these many years, i have seen countless efforts by arguers to strictly control the meaning of certain terms in order to insure support for their arguments - a reasonable human trait - but actuality is not shaped that way. The dynamics of faith (maybe see Paul Tillich so titled, as well as The Courage to Be) cause me to see it as beyond control by the individual human, no matter how fervent the quest for control. Good day - fare thee well.