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You mean God sacrificing himself, to himself, to create a loophole for rules he created?

Yes rather different to the Satan Christians have fabricated.

bottom line is God planned that there would
be such a fallen angel for he had a task in mind.

He rode into Jerusalem knowing full well what kind of fate was awaiting Him. He stood against the injustice of the Roman empire and the hypocrisy of the Jewish religious leaders. His life wasn’t ‘taken’ from Him; He gave it. He wasn’t dragged kickin’ and screamin’ to his scourging, or His crucifixion. He went willingly, to both. He was tough as nails.

As someone said here a while back, He would have done It for me, if I was the only one,

I love The lord Jesus, He Love me first.

If there wasn't divine intervention I cannot come up with any other reasonable explanation. I believe the Jews were punished mightily during their centuries long dispersion all over the world as a lesson to them and the world. This culminated in the bloody 20th century with 3 final solutions attempted in the space of 20 years by 3 powerful enemies. First the Germans, next the British in Palestine, and finally by the combined forces of the Moslem nations representing millions and millions of blood thirsty Arabs. Tell me how a bunch of ill equipped but very determined refugees were able to throw the combined Moslem armies into confusion and rout them without Divine help. There is nothing like it in the history of the world. I was 14 years old when the 67 war broke out. We listened to the dire news from the Middle East every night. It was going to be a bloodbath. The U.S. did not have time or ability to send help or material. Next thing we .knew Israel had destroyed Syria's Russian air for force and captured the Egyptian Army. They were headed to Cairo to finish off the Egyptians when the U.S. and Russia reined them in.
Now for this present time the Jewish nation no larger than some U.S. counties prospers among enemies. They have delivery systems for their nuclear weapons which all the world knows they will use, Jews control the finance of the world. The situation as it exists today was prophesied over 2000 years ago. Now you tell me how a miniscule fraction of the world human population came into the position they are in.


All that said you will not tell what you believe about the creation of our universe. It is not my business but if you would be so kind please tell us. I can assure you I will be respectful as I admit I don't know it all, not even close.

...or, if everyone you have met in the past two thousand years hates your guts there may be a chance that you are the problem.

How much have you read up on 1947-1949
Palestine war and 1967 Six Day War?




There were not millions and millions of Moslem
combatants in 1947-1949 or 1967 Six Day War.

I don't consider Mossad hiring and training
WW2 Nazis such as Hitler's right hand man
kommando SS-Obersturmbannführer
Otto Skorzeny as divine intervention...LoL.

From what I understand an intel network
which included very talented post war Nazis
under the leadership of Reinhard Ghelen
were able to assist Israel to conduct a very
effective pre-emptive strike on the airforces
of Egypt and Syria.



there are numerous claims through the ages
since antiquity, that attribute victory to divine
will and intervention.

You still won't say if you consider it possible
that Pagan gods divinely assisted the ambitions
of 8th century BC Latin tribes of Rome.

Starfool - you have lost it down there in the dark. You are the silly goose that introduced Omnipresence to the discussion and, of course, Aces is a great fellow and fully capable. But you need reminding that in an open forum your silly blunders are fair game for comment - by anyone - and it is fun to pull your chain. Certainly I could use any good help, so your goofy comments about how one can be a better Christian are priceless - as in priceless means useless. Bed time - close the lid.

Unfortunately for cccc he bruises easily
and heals very slowly...and his posts have
degraded to juvenile nonsensical rants.

Re: Omnipresence , I've heard it claimed
many times by Christians , so it is relevant
to the discussion , especially when a believer
says he can't detect the presence of God in
church groups.

either God is present and Ace is unable to
detect such ....or Omnipresence is a myth.

If you want to say it is none of our business I understand, but I asked you to tell us what force do you believe created the universe. We know it extends way beyond our imaginations and contains unknowable energy and matter. If it was the big bang, where did that energy and matter originate? If you wish to say "I don't know", well that puts you in the same place I am. I am just going with the evidence I see of some outside force dealing with us and occasionally intervening. I have no idea whether or not the Pagans, Buddhists, Moslems, Hindus, etc. all perceive the same super natural power I see dealing with the Hebrew people. Again, please share with us what you believe.

😂

Or, one could look at the Iran-Iraq war and compare/contrast with the gulf war and come to the realization that Arabs suck at war.

Like, really, REALLY suck.

It's a cultural thing. 😉

You are absolutely right about Arabs, but when they attacked the new state of Israel was barely organized and it is a hard thing to beat overwhelming force even with excellent military leadership. Witness the battle of the Little Bighorn where well led, well armed troops were over run by stone age savages. Arabs are not much against the Western or Big Asian powers but the infant state of Israel was almost in a helpless condition in 1948 except for the Hebrews knowing surrender was death, and then I admit there was the Arab penchant for retreat.

I've fought Arabs.

We will have to agree to disagree.

Little Bighorn....well armed and well lead? Both of those are debatable. The Springfields in the hands of Custer's men that day experienced serious extraction issues, nor did that lead element have sufficient ammo, hence the note to Benteen to "Bring Packs, P.S Bring Packs", i.e. bring up the ammo because we are going to need it, and of course they never arrived in time.

As for being "well lead", Custer was a horrible leader. He graduated last in his class at WestPoint and and had more men die under his leadership than any one else similarly situated in the entire Civil War. Custer was a terrible leader out for his own glory who under estimated his enemy and got got him men killed in the process....but I digress

Don't have time now, but when I get back from church I'll make a comment or two about Little Bighorn. I understand that Custer made some Terrible mistakes that day. I've been there 4 times. He could have prevailed.

In short - you seem to have convinced yourself that you can read the minds and feelings of others, and the reality is that you don't even know crap. Does that reality give you some comfort? You can do all of the name-calling and personal attacking you need - although ineffective and puerile, that seems to be what saves your psyche, and most folks here are onto you anyway. Now, your comments about God - I have no view on that behavior. I think that God does.