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Jesus Himself told His disicples before sending them out to stay and teach where they were invited to stay, and leave where there were not invited to stay, and shake the dust from their sandals as they were leaving, as a warning. He didn't tell anyone to do any throat-cramming ...

My religion is none of your MF'n business.

Fair enough, just don't try to make it ours either

If something is nobodies business, why post it on a public forum?

Who pointed the gun to make you click on the thread? Ha. Couldnt help yourself, huh? Like a moth pissing about an open flame.

Well said.

That being said, im not driven to investigate and post on the DU, and im not referring to you when i say this.

This. I just counted 18 threads on the front page i have never clicked on though several have been running for days.

Make that 17 since im going to go back to it and ooen the one entitled Rotten Tomatoes.

No worries. You get it or you don't. You will or you won't.

It’s pretty simple and easy to not open a thread if you’re not interested in the subject matter.

That is totally cool by me.

Pardon me if I’m incorrect, but why the animosity? No one asked about your religion; you’re free to come on a thread marked “Religion?” and you’re free not to. Can’t be that you’re surprised to see the topic once you open it. No one forced you to post.

This is baffling to me.

I appreciate your perspectives. You make some good points. I would agree that Christianity would still be true apart from the Bible. But I believe the scriptures are God breathed and given for a purpose. We wouldn't know of Jesus followers or the gospel so well apart from it. God could have passed on his truth through oral repetition, but that would be impractical. He has given his word that we might know him. I will look into your point about how scripture was used by Christ and others. I haven't heard that perspective. I appreciate the explanation.

Rickshaw, I appreciate your perspective as well. I agree with efw in that I also enjoy hearing and learning about the viewpoints of others regarding these things, especially when their responses are genuine and respectful. There are some smart men here, with some unique perspectives.

That is so true, that He gave us His Word that we might know Him. Without His written Word, what would we have?

Creation . ..that certainly speaks of His power and general attributes, just not specifics.

His spoken Words to the prophets of old. Those would long be changed and forgotten.

I can only judge by historical records, observation, and the correctly translated Bible.

History going back to what are refered to as the church "fathers," shows us much. As they had worldly wisdom and superficial knowledge of the Scriptures, yet they were unbelievers in Christ as Saviour. That is extra biblical history going back as far as we have records remaining. There's much about their false version of "christianity" that can be gleaned, but the most basic concept of salvation was lost amongst them.

The spoken words of the Father were given for those to hear at Jesus' baptism and later during His prayer. It was not a doctrinal directive. The audible answer was a witness from heaven to earth that this was truly the Son of God and that He was very pleased with Him.
How long would we know those very Words had they not been inspired and preserved in writing today?
Maybe a couple of hundred years? Your guess is as good as mine.

The good thing is that we don't have to guess.
We look at the writings of John, Peter, Luke, and Paul.
I never counted how many warnings and corrections were given, but it was quite a LOT. Those were directed to churches they established themselves as well as for our own admonision. The city of Corinth had a large church that went into heresay, unjustified divisions, and didn't correct the gross immorality. That was during Paul's ministry. Today there's more of the same rather than improvement and strength.

I think this needs stating because we need not be concerned that there's unbelievers that want us to shut up and keep the Words of our Lord to ourselves. I'm trying to encourage us to stand against the devil in spite of attacks from his people. They don't hesitate to take His name in vain, and that in a way that is beyond what I ever heard from the dregs of society in my youth. Of course they hate Christ and His people. That's OK if they hate me. I wasn't wanting to put them on my friend list anyway. 😄

Jesus said to His half brothers when they proded Him to go into harm's way....
John7:7
The world cannot hate you; but me it hateth, because I testify of it, that the works thereof are evil."

To His friends,

John 15:18
"If the world hate you, ye know that it hated me before it hated you.
If ye were of the world, the world would love his own: but because ye are not of the world, but I have chosen you out of the world, therefore the world hateth you.
"

Blessings to you,

Happy Camper

I don't pretend to answer for my friend Pat. I will say that I understand his response. I have met him, interacted with him and I think I understand him. I am sure I understand his perspective. We have no animosity toward the Almighty or his Son. I speak for myself when I say I am grateful for his salvation. With that being said, my heart is hurt for the things I have seen, and felt. I understand that life is not fair. I see that the devil walks to and fro, seeking whom he may devour. I do not understand. I know it is wrong to question, yet I have questions... I am no longer comfortable in church, but I pray often. Is it animosity? I hope not. But I know that God is good. I give him praise.

Im on the bow and confess now program.

Many say better late than never.

I say better late than too late.

The choice is, make HIM your Creator happy, or make Satan, your persecutor happy.

History has seen many who sold their soul to the Devil for power, riches and fame.

A lot of suckers sold out for a lot less.

Good point, I hadn't thought of "it", that way.

CT my question about animosity had to do with the threads on religion... not animosity toward religious people. I am with you and get that. And I have no personal issue w/ anyone in this thread including Pat.

God is not hard to find, but no man speaks for him.

I won't post a video,but, "You can't be a beacon if your light don' t shine."