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Originally Posted by Sako76
TSCA was enacted in 1976. I've never been to Camp Perry, I find it hard to believe that there isn't any hard backstop and that high powered rifled rounds are being shot into Lake Erie where they can strike boaters, fishermen and swimmers. If that is the case, it could be an issue, I'm sure Lake Erie is a drinking water source for one or more municipalities.


Believe it. There is no hard backstop. There are buoys and signs off shore warning boats away but often the matches have to be paused due to "boats in the impact area." We used to think that boaters thought the bullet impacts were fish jumping.

Cleveland, Erie, Buffalo, Toronto, and Montreal, among other cities, are all downstream from Camp Perry.

I have heard that lead in the water is no threat to human or animal life unless dissolved by stomach acids.


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whent to the LGS today ,owner said his Federal Rep. what ever that is said Biden is talking of having thEPA ban lead bullets ,for hunting ,I asked if that went for target shooting at the range ,but his mask muffled the answer ,and there was others there talking so did not ask again Anybody else hear of this?and is it a total ban ?or just a ban on hunting with them?


Unless I am mistaken none of the alphabet agencies have the constitutional authority to make laws. That authority rests with Congress. Conservative groups need to start filing lawsuits challenging the laws created by these unelected bureaucrats.


Congress passes the laws, agencies implement the laws via administrative code. They have far too much latitude to tweak these things.


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Originally Posted by Pappy348
..... based on my observations, raptors of all kinds are increasing around here.......



Yes, we're seeing so many Bald Eagles now it's crazy. Just 10 years back it was rare to see one, but occasionally one could be seen, from a pair that was along a river in the valley. Now we see them all the time around our pond. A few years ago our pond turned over killing some bigger fish and there were perched all around our pond until all the dead fish were gone.

Just this past week we watched an Osprey take a fish from our pond. First time we've seen an Osprey here.

The buzzards, especially black buzzards, are everywhere. They may be having an effect on the number of Turkey (red head) buzzards though.

There's no shortage of any of them......

I did play around with some Barnes Tipped TAC-TX 120's yesterday in a single shot 30-30. Not because of lead concerns but they were available bullets to order.

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I hypothesized this as a possibility when Obama got electrd.

Instead of takin bitches out to eat at red lobster and buying mossy oak weathertech floor mats, I was buying 6,7,8 lead shot game load

Hey is that a new coffee table? Naww baby, that’s my dove loads. 😃

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Originally Posted by natman
Originally Posted by rem shooter
whent to the LGS today ,owner said his Federal Rep. what ever that is said Biden is talking of having thEPA ban lead bullets ,for hunting ,I asked if that went for target shooting at the range ,but his mask muffled the answer ,and there was others there talking so did not ask again Anybody else hear of this?and is it a total ban ?or just a ban on hunting with them?


California has already done it. No lead bullets or shot for almost any hunting. No lead 22LR. No lead turkey loads. No Nosler Partitions, Core-lokts or Power Points. Billions of dollars of ammo rendered useless.

To make it a 1-2 punch, they outlawed mail-order ammo sales, so you can't get replacement hunting ammo either.
i remember biden saying he wants to ban mail order ammo and gun parts all over the US also


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My private land dove place got sold.
Lookin for another, got a few boxes of AA heavy trap.
Not coffee table sized frown

But then I normally limit out and run around 50% without cherry picking. Not great, but not horrible.

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Originally Posted by IndyCA35
Originally Posted by Sako76
TSCA was enacted in 1976. I've never been to Camp Perry, I find it hard to believe that there isn't any hard backstop and that high powered rifled rounds are being shot into Lake Erie where they can strike boaters, fishermen and swimmers. If that is the case, it could be an issue, I'm sure Lake Erie is a drinking water source for one or more municipalities.


Believe it. There is no hard backstop. There are buoys and signs off shore warning boats away but often the matches have to be paused due to "boats in the impact area." We used to think that boaters thought the bullet impacts were fish jumping.

Cleveland, Erie, Buffalo, Toronto, and Montreal, among other cities, are all downstream from Camp Perry.

I have heard that lead in the water is no threat to human or animal life unless dissolved by stomach acids.




There are thousands of major US cities that have miles and miles of pure lead water pipe both above ground and below ground supplies homes and businesses.

Lead cannot be dissolved or broken down by water


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Originally Posted by Hammerdown
Originally Posted by rem shooter
whent to the LGS today ,owner said his Federal Rep. what ever that is said Biden is talking of having thEPA ban lead bullets ,for hunting ,I asked if that went for target shooting at the range ,but his mask muffled the answer ,and there was others there talking so did not ask again Anybody else hear of this?and is it a total ban ?or just a ban on hunting with them?

We still can use lead for target shooting and such, just not game animals in California.

Always seam like someone has their thumb on ya.

Thats about as ignorant as covid masks etc... we dont' really care about doing it totally, we just want some so we can control you because its only about control...


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Originally Posted by IndyCA35
Originally Posted by Sako76
TSCA was enacted in 1976. I've never been to Camp Perry, I find it hard to believe that there isn't any hard backstop and that high powered rifled rounds are being shot into Lake Erie where they can strike boaters, fishermen and swimmers. If that is the case, it could be an issue, I'm sure Lake Erie is a drinking water source for one or more municipalities.


Believe it. There is no hard backstop. There are buoys and signs off shore warning boats away but often the matches have to be paused due to "boats in the impact area." We used to think that boaters thought the bullet impacts were fish jumping.

Cleveland, Erie, Buffalo, Toronto, and Montreal, among other cities, are all downstream from Camp Perry.

I have heard that lead in the water is no threat to human or animal life unless dissolved by stomach acids.



Yep. Wife and I competed there from 89 to 04. Water is the only backstop. And had the matches paused more than a few times for boats in the impact.


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Originally Posted by steve4102
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Governors and State legislatures step in and tell him to GFH.

Possible, but getting Bullet and ammo manufacturers to tell him to GFH might be much more difficult.

The Feds also have the power to control the States by threatening to cut off Federal Funding.

If The Uniparty is going to go down this road they will first ban all imports of lead based ammo, then increase regulations on lead imports and mining to the point it ends up cost prohibitive, then regulate US based bullet manufactures out of business, or drive the cost up so high that We The People simply can’t afford it.
That’s just for starters.






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Originally Posted by local_dirt
Originally Posted by steve4102
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Governors and State legislatures step in and tell him to GFH.

Possible, but getting Bullet and ammo manufacturers to tell him to GFH might be much more difficult.

The Feds also have the power to control the States by threatening to cut off Federal Funding.

If The Uniparty is going to go down this road they will first ban all imports of lead based ammo, then increase regulations on lead imports and mining to the point it ends up cost prohibitive, then regulate US based bullet manufactures out of business, or drive the cost up so high that We The People simply can’t afford it.
That’s just for starters.






1. I've done my duty and diligence to be prepared.
2. I watch my local govt like a hawk and never fail to let them know what I think of what they're doing.
3. I donate to those fighting for our rights alongside me.
4. I advise everyone around me to do the same.

Too many ostriches here with their heads buried in the sand worrying about their f'ing food plots, and not thinking about what THEY are going to eat in the future. It's amazing.

Well said.


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"On April 1st, the judge held that the Forest Service is not disposing any waste by allowing hunters to hunt in accordance with state laws. But the case had even bigger implications. The Plaintiff was asking the court to order the Forest Service regulate hunting. But the states own the wildlife, even while it is on federal lands. “Each national forest,” the judge said, “is required to cooperate with state wildlife agencies to allow hunting in ‘accordance with the requirements of State laws.”’ A ruling to the contrary would have given the federal government the authority to enter a field of regulation that belongs to the states on lands where hunting takes place. Those implications would be huge because 640-million acres (about twenty-eight percent of the country) is owned and managed by the federal government. Thankfully, the judge sided with NRA-ILA and Safari Club."

Tell it to Alaska.

The Feds have repeatedly violated our Statehood Act provisions with this and several other things.

As far as I am concerned, that should invalidate the contract and make Alaska a free country.

Good luck with that. Involuntary indenture seems to go only one way.... no backup there.

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