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It's well known that Jones was a member of the US Communist party and heavily studied Marx, Hitler, Stalin, Mao, and others of that type. He was evil from the beginning. Jesus said that many false teachers would come in his name and Jones was classic example. Any real Christian would have seen right through him.
“In a time of deceit telling the truth is a revolutionary act.”
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. Any real Christian would have seen right through him. Any real Christian would know Adam was created sinless, so that counts you out. It's kindergarten level Bible knowledge and you failed it ...
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It's well known that Jones was a member of the US Communist party and heavily studied Marx, Hitler, Stalin, Mao, and others of that type. He was evil from the beginning. Jesus said that many false teachers would come in his name and Jones was classic example. Any real Christian would have seen right through him. Yes, Jesus did warn of false teachers coming in his name and I believe one quickly showed up. He wrote several letters and claimed to have met Jesus and later claimed to have conversations with Jesus and even went on an excursion into 3rd heaven.
Patriotism (and religion) is the last refuge of a scoundrel.
Jesus: "Take heed that no man deceive you."
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It's well known that Jones was a member of the US Communist party and heavily studied Marx, Hitler, Stalin, Mao, and others of that type. He was evil from the beginning. Jesus said that many false teachers would come in his name and Jones was classic example. Any real Christian would have seen right through him. Yes, Jesus did warn of false teachers coming in his name and I believe one quickly showed up. He wrote several letters and claimed to have met Jesus and later claimed to have conversations with Jesus and even went on an excursion into 3rd heaven. John the Revelator? You throwing him under the bus? DF
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They SAW HIM. That is not HEAR SAY. They could have been subpoenaed if it came to trial, but with a list that large, I would be looking for a plea resolution at the least. THEY (the 500) did not say they saw Jesus. PAUL said that THEY saw Jesus. That's hearsay. You would have been laughed out of court unless you produced at least some of the 500 and gotten the story from "the horse's mouth," as they say. As a separate subject, why did Jesus appear to only these 500, assuming he did. If he wanted people to believe in him, why not appear to everyone in Palestine? How do you know what "they" saw or didn't see? Or how do you know what "they" said? The 500 who Jesus appeared to were all saved Christians. He appeared as evidence to them to give them the courage and the support they needed to spread the word. As for the non-believers, Jesus specifically addressed that in his earlier parable about Lazarus and the rich man. They had died, Lazarus to heaven (called the bosom of Abraham) and the rich man to hell. The rich man begged Abraham to send someone from the dead to his living brothers to tell them how much he was suffering and to avoid joining him in hell. Abraham said that even if some returned from the dead, they wouldn't believe. Jesus was talking about himself. Even if he appeared after the resurrection to the unsaved, they wouldn't believe in him. That's how people are. .
“In a time of deceit telling the truth is a revolutionary act.”
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. Nobody dies a cruel death for what he knows to be a lie. People die cruel deaths while being naively ignorant of the lies being told. The apostles were witnesses, not ignorants.
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. Nobody dies a cruel death for what he knows to be a lie. People die cruel deaths while being naively ignorant of the lies being told. The apostles were witnesses, not ignorants. You are presuming they even existed.
You didn't use logic or reason to get into this opinion, I cannot use logic or reason to get you out of it.
You cannot over estimate the unimportance of nearly everything. John Maxwell
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It's well known that Jones was a member of the US Communist party and heavily studied Marx, Hitler, Stalin, Mao, and others of that type. He was evil from the beginning. Jesus said that many false teachers would come in his name and Jones was classic example. Any real Christian would have seen right through him. Yes, Jesus did warn of false teachers coming in his name and I believe one quickly showed up. He wrote several letters and claimed to have met Jesus and later claimed to have conversations with Jesus and even went on an excursion into 3rd heaven. John the Revelator? You throwing him under the bus? DF Not at all, John was the real thing. In Revelation 2 he reported Jesus' words commending the church at Ephesus for putting Paul on the road. In a letter to Timothy Paul verified that the churches in Asia (Ephesus included) were turned away from him. Paul messed up when he was found out and ran off into the Roman witness protection program. Finally Nero came along and went crazy and Paul got killed in the deal if we are to believe tradition.
Patriotism (and religion) is the last refuge of a scoundrel.
Jesus: "Take heed that no man deceive you."
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Patriotism (and religion) is the last refuge of a scoundrel.
Jesus: "Take heed that no man deceive you."
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It's well known that Jones was a member of the US Communist party and heavily studied Marx, Hitler, Stalin, Mao, and others of that type. He was evil from the beginning. Jesus said that many false teachers would come in his name and Jones was classic example. Any real Christian would have seen right through him. Yes, Jesus did warn of false teachers coming in his name and I believe one quickly showed up. He wrote several letters and claimed to have met Jesus and later claimed to have conversations with Jesus and even went on an excursion into 3rd heaven. John the Revelator? You throwing him under the bus? DF Not at all, John was the real thing. In Revelation 2 he reported Jesus' words commending the church at Ephesus for putting Paul on the road. In a letter to Timothy Paul verified that the churches in Asia (Ephesus included) were turned away from him. Paul messed up when he was found out and ran off into the Roman witness protection program. Finally Nero came along and went crazy and Paul got killed in the deal if we are to believe tradition. Ok. I see what you’re saying. Don’t necessarily agree, but thanks for the clarification. Paul had his history, but redemption is the Easter story. It was for him and it is for us. DF
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