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Of course, it will be overturned on appeal.

No idea man. Things are way different up there. I've never seen a trial last more than a couple of days...ever for serial murderers, much less a doper dying in custody.

I'll be honest. The lesson here for law enforcement is to let them wander off into an alley and die. If that's not feasible, load 'em up and deliver them dead to the jail.

I wouldn't count on that.

His trials been AFU, for sure.

But, the courts will tell you you're only entitled to a "fair" trial.

Which some people believe means the rules gotta be followed, and if it was unfair, you get a new trial.

Not so.

"Fair trial" means halfway between very good and shtty.

IOW, average.

IOW, the trial that could be done, under the circumstances. And no appellate judge is gonna want to have ta do this thing again.

Which means that the judge's errors, due to the circumstances, like not sequestering the jury during the entire trial, so they can see the nightly rioting, can be explained away.

And Chauvin's lawyers errors don't count, since he lost.

Society is going to pay a very dear price for this concerted war on cops.

What it really all boils down to is this...........The Negro brain simply cannot understand that there are laws that people are supposed to follow, instead their brains are still being controlled by jungle DNA that has yet to make the jump from jungle to civilization.

Society is going to pay a very dear price for this concerted war on cops.

I think the defense will need to up it's game. Day 1 of presenting their case did not go well. The defense's use of force expert made lots of concessions and did some back-pedaling under cross examination. He came out strong, confident and definitive, but gave up ground to the prosecutors under cross. So, what the jury has heard to this point are statements that at some point the use of force was excessive and against Dept policy when Floyd stopped moving and that Chauvin continued his use of force even after another officer said there was no pulse. They have also heard that the cause of death was asphyxiation and not heart disease or a drug overdose. The defense has tried to put some doubt in the jury's heads but the jury has not heard anyone say that the cause of death was either or both of those conditions. I think they will need to hear some expert medical expert say and prove that one or the other or both are the cause of death. I doubt that they will put Chauvin on the stand but I'd like to hear from him why he kept his knee on Floyd's neck after he became unresponsive and was told he didn't have a pulse and why resuscitative measures were not started.

STFU already,

Your takes have been off target from the git.

STFU already,

Your takes have been off target from the git.

I think any defense police practices or use of force expert has a tough row to hoe with Chauvin keeping the knee on after there is no pulse. I'll be interested to see if there is a defense medical expert. I presume there will be. Can't imagine them conceding that issue with so many questions as to what actually caused death. As far as Chauvin testifying, I guess it depends on their assessment of where they stand with the jury. Frankly, at this point, I'd like to hear what he has to say. Does he have anything to lose?

I wouldn't count on that.

His trials been AFU, for sure.

But, the courts will tell you you're only entitled to a "fair" trial.

Which some people believe means the rules gotta be followed, and if it was unfair, you get a new trial.

Not so.

"Fair trial" means halfway between very good and shtty.

IOW, average.

IOW, the trial that could be done, under the circumstances. And no appellate judge is gonna want to have ta do this thing again.

Which means that the judge's errors, due to the circumstances, like not sequestering the jury during the entire trial, so they can see the nightly rioting, can be explained away.

And Chauvin's lawyers errors don't count, since he lost.

I think the defense will need to up it's game. Day 1 of presenting their case did not go well. The defense's use of force expert made lots of concessions and did some back-pedaling under cross examination. He came out strong, confident and definitive, but gave up ground to the prosecutors under cross. So, what the jury has heard to this point are statements that at some point the use of force was excessive and against Dept policy when Floyd stopped moving and that Chauvin continued his use of force even after another officer said there was no pulse. They have also heard that the cause of death was asphyxiation and not heart disease or a drug overdose. The defense has tried to put some doubt in the jury's heads but the jury has not heard anyone say that the cause of death was either or both of those conditions. I think they will need to hear some medical expert say and prove that one or the other or both are the cause of death. I doubt that they will put Chauvin on the stand but I'd like to hear from him why he kept his knee on Floyd's neck after he became unresponsive and was told he didn't have a pulse and why resuscitative measures were not started.

Has any expert witness been asked whether there was any bruising to the area where the knee was placed? Has there been any attempt to determine how much force Chauvin was actually applying with his knee?

Has any expert witness been asked whether there was any bruising to the area where the knee was placed? Has there been any attempt to determine how much force Chauvin was actually applying with his knee?