....unless the prosecution makes a much better case.

Legal Insurrection has an attorney in the courtroom every day, reporting in detail and what happens. The past couple of days have seen major holes poked in the prosecution's case. The prosecution's expert witnesses ended up doing a lot more good for the defense than for the prosecution. One of them viewed video of the evidence, and allowed that it looked to him like Chauvin's knee was on Floyd's shoulder blade, not on his neck, for example.

The Left wants chaos.
An acquittal will cause chaos

I don’t believe the Woke and BLM idiots will be happy with any verdict, other than life w/o parole.

They aren’t gonna get anything close to that, so, their rage will carry across US cities like before.

2nd degree MS at worst. Acquittal, if the jury is paying attention and stays true to the process.

🦫

What's the over/under on the resulting chimpout level?

I have been following along and am thinking Eric Nelson is quite brilliant.

I was quite interested today when they pointed out the blood on the backseat of the Police car, seems odd....
where did that come from, why was he bleeding from the mouth??
Nobody roughed him up.

Other weird schitt too.

Hmmm, it’s almost as if his acquittal and the subsequent Schit Storm is a planned event.

Yeah...the defense pounced on the prosecution's witness today for sure, interesting.

Let's hope that at least one juror isn't intimidated by fear of reprisals from BLM and Antifa mobs to go along with a lie.

I guessing they fear for their own safety and of being doxed

Exactly my point.

More riots no matter the verdict.

Yup,

My point is there isn’t a single member of that jury that is unaware of what will happen to them and their family if they do not vote to convict. Highly doubtful anyone on that jury is even considering the evidence, the Know what they must do to survive.

That's my concern, too.

He didn't kill Floyd. Period.


End of that story.

But, here is the issue.
The root of our police/problem.

Should he still be a cop?
Did he display anything that would show him as unfit?

These things always play out the same.
At the very end of a string of events, the citizen is dead.
The cops are charged with the death(maybe),
exonerated,
get back pay and go back to work.
They aren't held accountable for what lead up to the final
incident, or how they managed it.

Look at officer Shelby in Tulsa.
The shooting was darn questionable.
Her actions leading up to it were shameful for a cop.
The whole incident could easily have lead to a high speed
pursuit through a populated area, with a drugged up,
catatonic suspect at the wheel.

Still a cop.
Now, she is training new cops.

Those are some excellent points.

He'll walk alright.............right into a prison cell.

The fix has been in ever since he was indicted. There is no way he will be avoid some prison time.

I don't know the make up of the jury

but I don't know how you can find an impartial jury after this coverage, and I don't know how a jury is going to let him walk even if the evidence does point to him not killing him. I think he is going to pay a price so their city doesn't burn.

maybe, but only in dhimmicrat controlled cities

An intelligent judge would have the verdict delivered in January.

It's all going to come down to the autopsy and the cause of death. I believe the prosecution has proved excessive force was used - at some point. The PD has stated it was against policy. There was also failure to render aid. The defense is trying to say that the behavior of the people at the scene prevented that, but that is what the people at the scene were asking them to do.So I'm not sure how much traction they are getting there. I think the defense is doing a pretty good job of introducing doubt as to the cause of death. If they can get an expert to say the cause of death is likely to have been from an overdose, or, if they get the State's medical examiner to concede that, without having seen the video, and just reviewing the results of the autopsy, that a drug overdose would have been his/her conclusion. If they can get anything like that then, IMO, they will have introduced enough reasonable doubt. This case all revolves around doubt as to cause of death. So far, I think the defense is doing a pretty good job at setting that up. Let's see if they can deliver the knock out blow.

I will tell you this - the media covering this case is not portraying the testimony accurately and spinning the hell out of it to fit their bias. If Chauvin is not convicted, the MSM is setting this up as if it would be a huge miscarriage of justice and insuring that riots do occur across this country. For those people who are just following this trial thru the MSM sound bites, they are not getting a true representation of what is actually happening. The defense is doing a better job than is being reported.

" One of them viewed video of the evidence, and allowed that it looked to him like Chauvin's knee was on Floyd's shoulder blade, not on his neck, for example."

I saw this part of the trial. The video referenced here covers only the time shortly before and during the movement of Floyd from the ground to a stretcher.

There will be riots in dem controlled cities.

It’s not about justice.

Burning down a small business or destruction of property has nothing to do with justice.

It’s an excuse. All about unity, ya know.

They will go crazy if he gets off!!

Part of the 'healing' process, steal a couch, shoes, rack of dresses you can't wear, burn something..............



This morning the Judge and counsel are to discuss whether Floyds buddy takes the stand or pleads the 5th..............

....because there is NO WAY he can keep from incriminating himself on a number of felonies if he testifies........................

The stupid thing is he had agreed to plead guilty and do 10-15 years. Chauvin has some other legal issues to address outside of this. He is going to jail for something. The best thing to have done was the prosecution accepted the plea and all the drama goes away. Instead they overcharge him with crimes that don’t fit

The result is that they will issue large knee pads with a 6" semi-circle cut out to all police officers. Use of the knee pads will require at least 30 minutes of jumping up and down to be effective. The long time will for use will cut into the doughnut release time that all officers are programmed to.

It's going to be the OJ trial verdict all over again, except the reverse, due to the reverse in race. In other words, the verdict will be based on "Social Justice" rather than on the facts presented during the trial. Whites will be confused, and blacks will cheer.

We need something to bond US together. I thought January 6th was going to be the start of the conservative American standing up for their rights. We have no leadership or the fortitude to do what needs to be done. Sure has been a good run, won't be so great for my kids and grandkids.

I disagree - best guess is a 10 year term..


Added: ...because if he walks, Murderapolis will burn like the 1871 Chicago fires..

Don't think he will walk but doubt he will be found guilty of the most serious murder charges. America saw what he did and no amount of lawyer expertise can erase that. Unfortunately some want him to face murder charges and that won't happen so there will be riots with all the associated looting that many are just waiting for. Mamma needs a new TV.

Yep, to make it even easier for biden to sign executive orders to take our guns away.

https://lawofselfdefense.com/chauvi...ghters-on-cross-of-states-own-witnesses/

I have felt this way long before now.

Things sometimes happens to some folks that have an effect on everyone else.

Some would sure like things to go sideways in cities just to serve their ego's.

4 Billion Dollars.

I thought the city already paid the insurance policy... (Ghetto Lottery $$)

Is "suicide by being stupid" a choice on the cause of death?

I don’t believe for one second that Chauvin accepted a plea deal.

Yep...you can count on the [bleep] out.


Not necessarily because they are unhappy, but because they know they can get away with it.

You are talking with CC...

He's never been right about anything in his entire life.

Pretty good at diarrhea of the mouth though.

Don't think Chavin will get a murder charge.He will most likely be convicted on something less,and will most likely do some time,but not life without parole.

It’s been a lot of fun watching these stupid mother fugkers admit they’re idiots.

This jury will be hung.

I also think that Nelson is brilliant, and when it's his turn he's going to expose the entire fuggin thing for what it is.

Here their Chief of Police admits he doesn’t know anything about the case.

At all.

I don’t think the evidence matters. The fix is in. They will get whatever verdict they want.

If Biden and Harris had a son.......

Hmmmm, Who was the first person on the fire to predict Chauvin would walk?

this trial should have never happened the police officer " Chauvin " was protecting the public from a known convicted criminal who should have still been in jail or honestly should have been hung years ago. if i was a person born of this race " black " i would be ashamed people have made George Floyd a hero martyr but this thug was a lazy, drug, thief, criminal ,the world did not need Floyd or the trouble he has caused period all liberal B.S.

What in the fugk makes you think Chauvin is no longer fit to be a cop?

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

THIS

Simply because Floyd was a groid. If he had been white, nobody would know his name.

That is what happened. Bill Barr and others blocked it. Chauvin has other legal issues involving taxes and other things. As usual you open your mouth without knowing wth you’re talking about. He is going to jail regardless

Yeah we should honor old floyd the groid. Just start calling all blacks floyd, hell shouldn't bother them at all.I mean he a.hero and all , such a fine upstanding example of the black american male but you know if ole floyd would've lived in chitcago he probably got gunned down before he couldn't get in trouble by his own kind. Oh yeah floyd does sound less offensive than the n word.

for those that still have not figured things out, America does not have justice system, we have a legal system, and that is not even about the legalities of an issue, it's politics.

Sure thing, dumb fugk.

This pretty much sums it up. Evidence makes no difference.

While I also have a lot of doubt in the ability of resident Minnesotan's to make an informed and objective decision, I'd like to remind everyone that everybody "knew" the officers involved with the Rodney King trial were guilty.

And everybody "knew" OJ was guilty.

You can see on this very thread that most people still don't want to view or hear facts of the case, but will still opine about it. The jury doesn't have that option. They're absorbing everything. And everything says what I said from the beginning. Chauvin did nothing wrong.

Offensive Littering?

police officer Chauvin is not at all guilty and should get his job back too. But here`s the problem Chauvin will not get a fare trial so it could go either way. >>> this is kinda funny but suppose to be true >> a friend of mine walked thru the area the BLM and Anifta had burned buildings down in the Twin Cities and one building was not touched and as he got closer he noticed there was a bunch of nice looking Harley`s parked in front of the building , then he got close enough to read the sign on the building Hells Angels . i guess these famous biker`s got it right > don`t mess with us .

My liberal mother in law in a missionary retirement community in Clairmont CA is watching the trial, and she thinks Chauvin is guilty.
My conservative wife, retired with me in Seattle WA, is under the impression that Chauvin is innocent.

Your mother-in-law is not watching that trial.

She's lying.

About the same as “will the sun comes up tomorrow?”


Yup

There are 14, 2 are alternates. Here's the mix:

Five men and nine women have been chosen to serve on the jury during the trial in Minneapolis. Of the 14 jurors, eight are White, four are Black and two are mixed race, according to how the court says the jurors identified themselves.

Chauvin needed to get a social worker to kneel on Floyds neck for him. All would have been good.

hmm. Here is an idea. No media coverage allowed. No verdict released. Trial is over, move on. All anyone needs to know or should care about from many aspects anyway.

I still cannot fathom the idea of it not being mostly Georges fault. And that says enough for me.

I was taught there are always consequences for your choices.

No verdict released.

Interesting.

The media is of course, the prosecution’s cheerleader.

Now being reported as “neck area”. No longer “neck”.

https://www.breitbart.com/the-media...prosecution-media-in-george-floyd-trial/

It's America, Chauvin is a cop, where's the prosecutor get his pay check, and who does he work with daily?

It ain't real hard to figger out the verdict

SLAM DUNK!

Prosecutor’s hate cops.

Not on TV!!!!

I like when he says “I assume you don’t have a degree in physics?”

Lmao

OK

https://www.fox5atlanta.com/news/derek-chauvin-trial-live-witness-testimony-day9


live coverage

Would you agree that from the perspective of the officers body camera, Officer Chauvin’s knee was more on Mr. Floyd’s shoulder blade?

Yes

No more questions.

Pretty much as I see it.

They are looking for an excuse to riot some more & nothing, even a life sentence, which won't happen, will satisfy them.

MM

Safe bet even if they gave him life without parole cities are going to burn.

I bet a coworker months ago he's going to walk.

I'm tossing my hat in the hung jury ring. So no resolution essentially.

Next up: will he be retried?

I’d sure as heck be scared $h!tless if I were in their shoes!

Indeed.

I say yes.

This isn't a whole lot different than the Zimmerman case in that if the law is strictly followed AND in addition the added features of LEO WRITTEN TRAINING AND DIRECTIVES are respected, Chauvin should walk.

I bet EVERYBODY that Zimmerman would walk if the case was tried to the letter of the law.

And guess what?..

Attorney: “You ever watch this video?”

Chief of Retard: “Fugk!”

LOL

Tough morning for the defense today. The pulmonologist's testimony that cause of death was lack of O2 due to Floyd being prone and Chauvin having his knees on Floyds neck and back. He said the manner of death, his CO2 level in hist blood and his respiration rate prior to death was not consistent to death from opioids. It'll be interesting to see how the defense atty will attack the pulmonologist's testimony. Hopefully the Dr. will be asked why Floyd was saying he couldn't breathe in the squad car before he was place prone with weight on his neck/back.

Floyd killed himself with a drug overdose and would have died no matter what the police did. He had three times the fatal dose of fentanyl in his bloodstream and that is what prevented him from breathing. The cops didn’t know what drugs he was on and It might have been PCP which gives druggies inhuman strength. The only thing that might have saved him was earlier arrival of the EMT.

How could he not be? He’d be a target no matter where he goes or what he does. His life is ruined.

I can envision a political conviction, knowing it will be reversed on appeal. The fact that a change of venue was denied is a good indication of the political nature of this farce. Jury intimidation is definitely real and shows the state of the nation today.


mike r

Which, regardless of what the media says, is not the neck "area". Just more lies by the media to get the required results. They want to be able to report on the rioting.

"Three times the fatal dose" yet walking talking,,,

Yeah right

If he walks, cities all over the country will burn

I suspect that if the officers had just stepped back and let nature take its course, Floyd would have been dead in a few minutes anyway. Why did they not? Because it was their job to save his life if they could. And they say that irony is dead.

Charges should never even have been filed.

Getting past a reasonable doubt seems like a pretty big hill to climb at this point.

But you never know what a jury will do. Roll of the dice.

Denial of the change of venue is proof that they have pressure on the jury and they want to maintain their ability to continue that pressure right where they are.

Don't think those people who could approve the change of venue haven't already been threatened, also?

Nobody's asking 1 simple question:

Why was he resisting arrest?



The truth lies outside the case, really. It's because these criminals have been conditioned by lefty govt pantywaists and stand down cawps to think they can get away with resisting arrest and assaulting officers

I agree.

Another certainty is the public and the jury is being told the truth the whole truth and nothing but the truth, just about like children are told about Santa

I think all it takes is the DA talking to the jury foreman and telling him that anything less than a complete guilty sentence by the jury will result in the entire country burning for days and do you want that on your conscience.

I don't see Chauvin on the streets until his retirement years.

He certainly won’t say it that clearly unless he wants a mistrial.

I think he wold definitely let them know the consequences of a not guilty verdict - directly or indirectly.

I don't need to read any farther. This is all food for the revolution they had planned and waiting for something like this as a trigger.

Let it burn.
Without the rule of law its gonna be toast anyway.

Best thing is to deliver a just verdict and if some folks dont like it and want to tear chit up and or hurt others, shoot em.

Uhhh, that’s not how this works.

LOL

Those folks that want to intimidate, with threats of burning cities.....are terrorists.

Fixed it...and good, let them burn to the ground and the rats with them.

The pulmonologist's testimony was not effectively weakened by the defense. In a nut shell, the Dr. stated that while opioids can cause death they typically will reduce one's respiration rate. In his examination of the video he was able to see Mr. Floyd's respiration rate just prior to his death and it was a normal 22 breaths per min. In his expert opinion, the cause of death was Mr. Floyd's inability to effectively breathe, low O2 level, due to the weight on his neck and back. The defense will have to present their own pulmonologist to refute this recognized expert. It was stated, that in an opioid overdose one typically will go unconscious prior to ceasing breathing an in this expert's opinion that did not happen. Mr. Floyd was conscious up until he stopped breathing.

The prosecution's 'respiratory expert' today really did some fuggin damage to the defense.

He's just a paid whore I'm sure but it wasn't good for Chauvin.

If the White people in MSP and other cities won't shoot the 'groids then they deserve to lose their cities. Burn, baby, burn....

Its good to know you have complete faith in the integrity of the Minnesota court system.

You are the lawyer, I understand, but regardless of the facts — it’s apparent Floyd died of a triple fatal fentanyl overdose leading to heart failure and pulmonary edema — there will be tremendous pressure on the jury and the judge to do what’s “right”.

While a different scenario than the OJ Simpson trial, the same racism will be in play, though ultra heightened, plus the anticipated millions more lost in riots in LEO-depleted Minneapolis and perhaps elsewhere if they don’t convict of manslaughter minimally.

The pulmonologist was not paid for his testimony.

The police surgeon from Louisville who testified this pm about asphyxiation and how one dies from an opioid overdose (respiration slows down, they go into a stupor and basically go to sleep) was very effective for the State. Despite his really bad comb-over, he made a lot of sense. I initially thought that Mr. Floyd died from a fentanyl OD too. After listening to today's witnesses I'm seeing where it could have been asphyxia. The defense had better bring in a parade of experts refuting these Dr.'s testimony cause it was pretty damn convincing.

Yep, They already went thru all their free crap from last years looting, it's time to restock...

The problem with all that (for the state) is that Graham v Connor pretty much says that the poleece cannot be expected to know the medical history of a subject and that their techniques for arrest cannot be expected to change.

Chauvin shouldn’t even be arrested. Much less convicted. And I’m sure the defense plans on demonstrating just that.

This. But not for murder. For voluntary manslaughter. 5 to 7 with time served and good behavior he'll do 3.

kwg

I fail to see how this case would meet the standard for manslaughter.

So do I..

He was just doing his job donchano, besides that druggie kilt his self

Qualified Immunity

Clown World


What happened? We will just be sitting here waiting and ready.
I hope I see Antifa threatening people. LMAO Citizens arrest

Yes, you do, fail to see.
You are looking at the facts , the evidence and how Justice is supposed to be served.

You are living in a fantasy world, this case has nothing to do with facts, or Justice and Everything to do with Politics and the White Hate Racial Agenda from the left.

Don’t forget who is MN AG and in charge of Justice here in MN.

Listen to the lieutenant!

How do think it will end up?

Interesting.

That guy was a joke. His testimony came from studying Floyd's behavior in video's of the incident. This is an MD who claims to have performed 100 autopsies and watch over 1000, yet he couldn't point to anything in Floyd's autopsy to support his position.

Yeah, but he wasn't paid!

Escobedo ring a bell?!?! Miranda??!!

Ann Coulter:

Apparently, no one is watching the trial of Derek Chauvin, the former Minneapolis police officer on trial for the murder of George Floyd. Otherwise, the media couldn’t get away with their spectacular lying to the public about how the prosecution is killing it.

It’s quite the opposite. In fact, in less than a week, the prosecution’s theory of the crime has subtly shifted from MURDER! to “failed to provide what we would say, in retrospect, would be a full and complete duty of care during the one- to three-minute interval between Floyd’s resisting the police to his dying, as a hostile crowd screamed obscenities at the police officers.”

The defense hasn’t even begun to make its case, but the prosecution’s witnesses keep helping Chauvin. (The only exception to the wild media lying is Headline News, where the lawyer commentators go the extra mile by watching the trial.)

Week One was chock-a-block with weeping bystanders wailing about how they felt watching Chauvin restrain Floyd. This would be tremendous evidence if the charge against Officer Chauvin were “first-degree upsetting bystanders.” But that’s not the charge. That’s not even a crime.

One especially distraught witness, Charles McMillian, an elderly black man, testified to seeing “foam” coming out of Floyd’s mouth.

QUIZ: Is foam coming out of the mouth a sign of:

a) a head wound?

b) strangulation?

c) a drug overdose?

ANSWER: c) a drug overdose.

Apart from that crucial fact, McMillian’s evidence only pertained to “first-degree upsetting bystanders.” Which, again, is not a crime.

My favorite witness — and the media’s favorite, too! — was Genevieve Hansen, Feminist Hero. She appeared in court in her firefighter dress uniform and a belligerent mood — though not as belligerent as the day Floyd died, when she showed up in sweats and began shrieking at the officers.

The headlines are along the lines of “Firefighter: I Could Have Saved Floyd’s Life, But Police Wouldn’t Let Me.”

Yes, apparently, Genevieve would have invented a time machine, gone back, and stopped Floyd from ingesting three times the lethal dose of fentanyl. I take it back: Chubby girls make the best firefighters! (Don’t get snippy with me: It’s beyond outrageous that fire departments have abandoned all physical fitness requirements solely in order to hire more women.)

According to Genevieve, the police on the scene unaccountably refused to step aside and take direction from her, despite her full ONE YEAR of experience as a firefighter.

Genevieve was totally on top of the situation. In her statement to investigators shortly after the event, she described Floyd as a “small, slim man.” Floyd was at least 6-foot-4 and weighed 230 pounds. The largest police officer on the scene was Chauvin, coming in at 5-foot-9 and 140 pounds. Genevieve missed nothing!

No he will go to jail, momma s don't let your boys grow up to be police officers

He was paid. $300 or $350 an hour. The dude was a joke. He loved talking about himself.

Listening to the guy with the bad hair...so he see's all this on video, and its word.
Yet, there are what, four Police Officers right there in real time, but he knows better??

They wanted chaos when Trump was in office to help get rid of him. If this turns into chaos, it'll be THEIR people rioting on THEIR watch. Personally, I hope he walks and they burn down every schithole liberal city in the country. Or, the commies show their true tyrant colors and crack down on them because Trump is no longer in office and it's now on them, and then the manbun army turns on their own masters.

... and there's that pesky ME report.

Bottom line is that even if they claim negligence, they can't prove intent to kill, and without that, there's no legal justification for murder. My guess is if they don't get murder, they riot.

^^^^

I'm gonna be Babe Ruth and Broadway Joe here and call it in now.

Acquittal.

There will be riots (ir)regardless.

Let The Games begin.

Chauvin is not guilty and he will walk free.

True, they used chaos to demonize Trump and to help get rid of him. But let’s not forget who “they” are really after, us.
We White, working class, gun toting, God fearing, church going, hard working, Support The Constitution Americans are still the Real Target and still the Real ENEMY.

The chaos was used not only to get rid of Trump, but to brand White America as Racist White Supremacists . That agenda is alive and well as is the very well funded BLM.

Haven't watched any of the trial so don't know any details, but the cynic in me thinks the prosecution could sit there and do the NY Times crossword puzzle for their case in chief, and the jury would still convict. The Judge and jury know full well that if that guy walks, the urbanites are going to riot all across the country, and the press will hound them to the ends of the earth.

No way in hell that guy gets a fair trial and unbiased verdict. That's my suspicion anyway.

I have no idea how this particular jury will decide and it's way too early to predict. However, IMO, yesterday was a tough day for the defense, as the prosecution's witnesses were convincing (especially the pulmonologist - who was not paid). The cross examination did little to question their expertise. The State's Dr's testimony will have to be refuted by the defense presented experts (if they have them) and their level of expertise and credibility. What we don't know and can't predict is the ability of this jury to sort out the technical/medical issues and ignore the issues of public opinion and possible social consequences of their verdict. All I can try to do is watch and figure out how I would decide, trying to keep an open mind. Unfortunately I'll be away for much of the day today. Will record it and try to catch up over the weekend.

For your own sanity you may want to think about a different hobby

Well, just so you know manslaughter is murder by negligence with no intent required. They are going to riot no matter the outcome.

I'm retired and have lots of time on my hands. Too much maybe. In this time of activist "journalism" where everyone has an agenda and there is little objectivity, one needs to "do it yourself" when it comes to researching any major story. Because of the social implications of this case and the jury's decision, this is one case/story I've decided I want to educate myself about. The spin about this case is so much BS.

I am also interested. Camera's aren't allowed in the Courtroom in Canada, so there is that, but I like the attention to detail and the submission of evidence.

Ann Coulter:

"My favorite witness — and the media’s favorite, too! — was Genevieve Hansen, Feminist Hero. She appeared in court in her firefighter dress uniform and a belligerent mood — though not as belligerent as the day Floyd died, when she showed up in sweats and began shrieking at the officers.

The headlines are along the lines of “Firefighter: I Could Have Saved Floyd’s Life, But Police Wouldn’t Let Me.”

Yes, apparently, Genevieve would have invented a time machine, gone back, and stopped Floyd from ingesting three times the lethal dose of fentanyl. I take it back: Chubby girls make the best firefighters! (Don’t get snippy with me: It’s beyond outrageous that fire departments have abandoned all physical fitness requirements solely in order to hire more women.)

According to Genevieve, the police on the scene unaccountably refused to step aside and take direction from her, despite her full ONE YEAR of experience as a firefighter."

I talked about this on an earlier thread. A fat female firefighter and Basic EMT. Talking about how she could have rescued Floyd. She had no gear with her. Floyd needed two Paramedics with all their gear and still they would have had a hard time saving his life.
She showed up in civilian clothes at the scene and was yelling at the cops, they had no way of telling if she was a real EMT or not.

A fat female Basic EMT with a big mouth. I know the type.

Fug Floyd that POS!

You don't keep an open mind about anything.

You're a democrat.

Even money says you also record The View and Don (light on the lavender color Adidas) Lemon

A criminal druggie is no longer a menace to society and a brutal bully has trashed his life and will no longer be in a position of power, what's not to like?

I don't really understand people GAF about it enough to watch this cartoon, but it's kinda fun listening to all the different views.

and quite entertaining when men who wear skirts chime in on topics they know absolutely nothing about

Your GAF is so low that you're here talking about it.

Repeatedly.

Has the reader from Salmon, ID weighed in yet?

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609.195 MURDER IN THE THIRD DEGREE.
(a) Whoever, without intent to effect the death of any person, causes the death of another by perpetrating an act eminently dangerous to others and evincing a depraved mind, without regard for human life, is guilty of murder in the third degree and may be sentenced to imprisonment for not more than 25 years.

(b) Whoever, without intent to cause death, proximately causes the death of a human being by, directly or indirectly, unlawfully selling, giving away, bartering, delivering, exchanging, distributing, or administering a controlled substance classified in Schedule I or II, is guilty of murder in the third degree and may be sentenced to imprisonment for not more than 25 years or to payment of a fine of not more than $40,000, or both.

So your prediction is - 3rd degree conviction?

It’s like virtue signaling “I don’t have tv in my home”.

On the internet…

Rita returns,,, laffin

Sic em boys,, justice for a murder is whats wanted. lol

Still banging the buddy's wife there retard?

So when Chauvin was told that Floyd no longer had a pulse, why did he think it was necessary to continue to kneel on his neck?

By a stretch of imaginative interruption of sub section (b) above, Floyd is responsible for his on murder.

I don't know if you can try a dead man.

Watch the video watch his expressions he was practically in ecstasy loving every second,

Uh oh...... I have been busted..... damn...

I haven't had TV for 30 years
And I also don't do social media of any kind
So there!

When I'm watching the trial, and the black male prosecutor is on, all I think of is the SNL cast member Kenan Thompson. Anyone else?? Hard for me to take him seriously.

The LH the gay blade masturbates to the thought of a cop kneeling on his upper back.

You lose!

Soooo, you're not aware that THIS site is a social media site???

Why do cops handcuff dead people?

LOL

Don’t confuse them with facts and logic. They already convicted him based on their feelings

Playin possum??

Elementy and JR High school level mentality put downs just like most Chauvin supporters here.

Sonofabitch!

Have you already reached a conclusion or are you following the trial?

He’s got the corner of the couch on him right now, applying pressure. Give him a few minutes to finish

Guilty of manslaughter but will be acquitted of what he has been charged with,

Nope, have not wasted one minute watching that made for the masses cartoon.

Don’t watch but have an opinion.

Interesting.

The Top 5 biggest lies about the Floyd Case

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wkwSLgOBB0s Only 6 minutes by Charlie Kirk

Rioting is the end game. They knew from the start he'd never be convicted, but they've convinced the world he is guilty and he will be convicted and that everybody should burn down everything if he isn't.

Which was formed long before the chitshow began.

I find it interesting so many actually GAF.

It's like they think truthful justice will be served.

"get off the couch. I can't breathe. For real, I'm done get off"

Anybody that doesn’t GAF about this case is brain dead.

Manslaughter is not murder, it's killing without intent. Hence my point. And yes, killing and murder are different things.

Huge ramifications, and very interested in what the verdict will be but to watch it?
Not on a bet

Yeah time is better spent discussing what you don’t watch.

If cities burn on Biden’s watch, what will he do about it?

It’s a no-win scenario for him.

You haven't been paying attention. Nothing, NOTHING is ever a result of democrat policies. If there are riots while a republican is in office, the R is of course racist and caused the riots. If it happens on Bidens watch, it's still blamed on Trump and the evil white patriarchy that's continuing to oppress the poor good natured minorities.
It's a win-win situation for the Dems when the media is their PR department.

Nothing will change many criminals will still act like idiots dealing with cops many of who will remain brutal.
It's the kind of people they are.
Riots in the cities will happen and continue no matter the outcome of this trial.
The only real changes will be to Chauvin and those personally involved in his life.

Just another chitshow for the masses

Guys that are happy at work are more productive. Some people enjoy their jobs.

https://www.breitbart.com/politics/...to-support-george-floyd-overdose-theory/

My thought exactly

It would a HUGE win for him and the click-bait mainstream media.
For Joe, it would be a great excuse to get "emergency" legislation passed. Gun control anyone? We can't have white people shooting back when BLM tries to burn them out of their homes.

The left’s MO has been to do nothing and let it burn. What happens when entire communities are destroyed across the USA and people see the Dem gov’t doing nothing to stop it?

They're too stupid to realize the mob will turn on them.

From reading the news you'd think it's a slam dunk for the prosecution. The news is fuggin' horrible.

How long is the trial supposed to go?

Already seen that.

Seen that under Trump, not Biden. And it’s poised to be much, much worse. So who gets the blame?

The judge and jury will, if he walks. And they know it.

Most all Americans will lose - especially traditional ( conservative ) Americans at the end of this trial. Will not lift us up at all. The water has already starting circling down the drain for the US republic.

The outcome of this verdict will be a chit show. And IMO, Chauvian will walk/ mistrial on how he was charged here.

The dem cities riot whether their sports teams win or lose a championship. Same thing here. The riot machines are revving up.

Chauvin is not the last young man in uniform that is burned out from dealing with the dregs of society.

You old malcontents better pray that that there are many to replace him.

Boomers get the blame.

White middle class oppressors who have continued the institutionalized racism that has kept POC under their heel for too long.
These mostly peaceful protests are simply an expression of those who want to be treated equally.

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My prediction is that it's a hung jury. That allows the jury to walk away without making a decision and because there isn't a murder charge, the riots will commence.

Hung or 2nd Manslaughter wouldn't be shocking.

I don't see any other charge sticking.

Not seeing a crime scene - this was a suicide.

A self-inflicted death sentence.

Chauvin was simply acting as a paid dog catcher in this instance.

Mmmmmmmmm, no.

They should have had trial in the cold months. It would have cooled them off.

I think that's a pretty good guess.
In fact, I'll bet jury members have already been threatened about what will happen to their kids if they don't reveal a guilty verdict. I think at least one or two will vote for acquittal in spite of the threats.

At least we know they’ll destroy their own communities first. They always do.

I think we also saw some strong stances in the suburbs, so maybe the fire will be contained to their own communities.

Lots of new gun owners out there.

Exactly. If Trump were in office it would be his fault and his “dog whistles.” Since he isn’t if they don’t get a guilty verdict the msm/propaganda wing has already convicted him so it will just be more proof of institutional racism and normalizing riots as “mostly peaceful protest” by “pro civil rights groups” selling communism and open borders as the means to an end. The self righteous woke commies will mostly peacefully protest against us evil racist constitutionalist. When you control the media/narrative you win either way. The msm will tell us so and social media will delete or ban anyone that says otherwise for “hate speech” or “false information.”

This is a battle that can’t be won without controlling the propaganda and educational system. Whomever controls that wins and in the meantime it’s just a battle of attrition.

They may try and play riots that way but I say it backfires on them either way. They tried to set up a scenario where "everything's better" now that Trump is gone. People are fatigued. They don't want more unrest. They're sick of the lock downs. If the Dems let the riots happen, they can try to spin it all they want but it won't matter. They'll be seen as "no better than Trump." And if they do crack down, the mob will turn on their masters. It's a no win scenario. And it sets the stage to take back the House, hopefully before they can rig all the local elections too.

Personally, I'm hoping for chaos, death, and destruction on an absolutely unprecedented scale.

Something's gotta wake White people up.... though at this point, I doubt anything will.

He deserved it.

If chaos is inevitable, I just hope they burn down every schithole city in the nation, including Seattle 90 minutes South of me. Then, I hope they feel cocky enough to migrate into the counties and every last one of them gets slaughtered. Then, the rest of the country can witness what happened and decide what side they want to be on.

When I first read the autopsy report I was very interested in the lung edema (fluid in the lungs) as being the cause of Floyd's breathing difficulty. The medical examiner explained how that occurred (long-term chest compressions while administering fluids intravenously) after he was in cardiac arrest.

There is no patching this empire together.

That's been obvious for a while to those that follow history and where the US is on the spectrum.

I'm not so sure the Dems really have control of these thugs that are rioting and burning the cities.

Protest (riots) are a natural thing and are a good thing. I am paraphrasing our current Vice President. Or any other Dem in the media or politics. So yes this is a Dem idea and can be stopped easily. They just don't want it too. Well maybe they will be ok with stopping it since Trump was cheated out of office.

The Democrats have as much control over these thugs as any other Employer has over it’s employees

do they want it?

The perp was on Fentanyl that he gave himself. Can't change the facts.

He swallowed his dope when the cops showed up and died shortly after that.

That's what happened, but it doesn't matter. It's all about getting Whitey...and $27 million...and an excuse to riot again.

Well they want control of everything else, so yeah, I think they would like control of the rioters. But I don't think they have it.

It wasn't a homicide. The medical examiner bowed to the left and twisted all the findings and still couldn't justifiably find homicide but that's what he did. Federal, State and Local governments have spent millions trying to satisfy the bloodlust of the propaganda artists in the MSM and BLM crowds. In what world does the MSM lie in order to fan the flames of derision rather than tell the truth?

They have it.

The rioters are employees, not pissed off minorities. The majority of BLM members are White college grad women.

It all boils down to the fact that when you’re arrested get
In the cop car peacefully , and there would be a problem!

DUH!!

Some more speculation. Floyd purportedly weighed 230 lbs and was big, while Chauvin was small, about 150, say 165 with his belt etc. Chauvin also didn’t have his full weight on Floyd IICR. Say he had half — ~ 80+ — on Floyd. Where exactly was that knee?

If on mid-back, I doubt it kept Floyd from breathing completely. And if on the neck, as long as the mouth or nostrils are unobstructed, and the trachea not crushed (it’s not just a floppy tube without rigidity due to the many cartilaginous rings), I doubt Floyd could not respire. At least some.

But, the autopsy showed some pulmonary edema which occurs in at least 10% of opioid overdoses. PE and cardiac failure are like the chicken and the egg in some of these cases as to which came first. Does not matter here; it was drug-induced. He was complaining of not be able to breath long before lying prone on the pavement.

Odds are he would have succumbed before hitting the ER doors if on his own.

I think each juror should have Chauvin kneel on them for 10 minutes before making their vote. Assuming they all survive, which is likely.

Yes indeed, if you have any brains, let a lawyer do the "fighting".

What it really all boils down to is this...........The Negro brain simply cannot understand that there are laws that people are supposed to follow, instead their brains are still being controlled by jungle DNA that has yet to make the jump from jungle to civilization.

I was busy yesterday pm so had to record the cross-exam of the medical examiner (ME) and watched it this morning. The defense scored some points, just how many and how effective they will be is questionable. He's what I got from the testimony yesterday and some questions I would have liked asked by the defense:

The ME put down the officail cause of death as a homicide (as the term is used medically, not legally - meaning death caused by the actions of another). He noted on his official cause of death that it was complicated (other contributing causes) by Mr. Floyd having an enlarged heart (most likely caused by high blood pressure), artery blockages (70% and 90%) to the heart and high levels of fentanyl and meth in his system. In the cross-examination, he admitted that in some cases, the artery blockages and drug levels alone are enough to cause death by themselves and that he has made conclusions to that effect on other autopsies which he has performed. He stated that he did not see the video when he started his autopsy (not wanting to be biased) but had seen it after the autopsy and before making his determination of the cause of death. He had been told, however, that Mr. Floyd had been in an altercation with police and restraint involving force to his neck/shoulder area was used.

What I would have liked the defense attny to have asked: (which weren't)

- Could you tell, or did you calculate how much force or weight Mr. Chauvin was putting on Mr. Floyd at various times while Mr. Floyd was being restrained on the ground?

- If a man in Mr. Floyd's condition, as you found him on the date of your autopsy, was to have undergone a medical procedure to correct his artery disease and had died from a mistake or miscalculation of his Dr., would a death like that be considered a homicide, accident, or natural causes? I'm guessing the answer would have been it would not be a homicide. (The correlation being an argument that unlike a Dr. in such a scenario, Mr. Chauvin would have no way of knowing of Mr. Floyd's contributing factors/medical conditions. Such knowledge might have been useful in order for Officer Chauvin to factor in or help determine what level of restraint was unsafe for Mr. Floyd.

- Absent the complications/other contributing factors which you noted in your report, would you expect the type of restraint used on Mr. Floyd to be fatal to an otherwise healthy person of Mr. Floyd's age and size? (Probably would yield an objection but even if allowed or not, it would put that question in the jury's mind.)

- Mr. ME, I see you met with PD detectives, people from State Gov't and the FBI, (which he did) before issuing your cause of death; did anyone put any pressure on you to come to your conclusion of this being a homicide? (Having been in State Gov't myself, I know that in cases/projects that the State has an interest in the outcome, considerable pressure can be brought to bear.Though rarely is that done via letters or memos - no paper trail. Having to answer under threat of perjury might have gotten an honest answer.)

- When making your determination of the cause of death, did you think about the social or political consequences if you were to make a determination other than, homicide by the actions of the police? (Plant that seed of doubt. Some in the jury might not see how such a thought would not be a consideration, consciously or unconsciously.)

IMO, what hurt the defense is on the re-direct the prosecutor got the ME say that despite all of Mr. Floyd's health issues and drug usage that the ME felt the major cause of death was the force used by the police. His conclusion, therefore, is that had the police not used that level of force on Mr. Floyd, he would have survived the encounter. That may not be accurate, but it is a pretty definitive statement and could be one given plenty of weight by the jury.

The defense better have a slew of qualified and renowned ME's and experts coming up with differing conclusions as to cause of death. I would expect that they do, but they will also likely have the stigma of being paid for their testimony. IMO if the defense does not have such witnesses, Mr. Chauvin is likely going up the river.

They weren't asked, because Chauvin's attorney *isn't* a moron.

Liberals like you are causing a reconsideration of the old "better ta be judged by 12" adage.

LOL

Overcharged for street cred.

If the jury follows the standard of our system, he walks. Either way, you’ll see riots. Unless he swings the populace will not be satisfied.

The woke whites will drive the violence. Book it.

These people are nothing more than Democrat Party mercenaries. But if they push things too far and the Dems try to crack down, they'll lose control of the monster.

The liberal media loves to force feed their beliefs of what they want to happen, will happen for their viewers.

It’s a strategy they use to get their *woke* viewers hopes up, and when the opposite happens on what they’ve been reporting....It’s outrage and calls for No Justice - No Peace !

It’s a game the media plays to light the wick of social violence in the streets. Mucho good for their business model.

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Like "leaking" that Chauvin was going to take a please for ten years?

Lol.

Prezactly !

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Cumminmecowboy be like: “Oh yeah that makes sense. Carotid artery’s. Blah, blah, blah.”

"Chauvin will walk" I hope and pray. He didn't murder anyone that day. Hell, it wasn't even negligent injury. Sorry to say folks, but taking a man into custody is a rough contact sport and risky business for everybody involved. Living a life of criminal activity, smoking, using dope, not treating High BP, having clogged arteries, all that stuff can kill you when you start getting upset and irrational with the police and they are way more interested in the crowd milling around shrieking at them than are a handcuffed subject. Defecation occurs (aka S H).

He should walk, but the jury has their instructions regardless of the evidence.
He will not walk, for various reasons, but facts and justice are not among them.

How can he be convicted of murder, when at its worst it was manslaughter?
The cartoon continues until it will be "That's all folks"

How?

Our Justice System is corrupt and has been politicized.

I keep saying this.. They have been conditioned to think it's okay to fight the cops, and that the will get away with doing it. Both by not being held accountable, and winning in court. Nevermind the paydays.

That’s the problem. Too many people think they know wtf happened based on eye witness accounts of the arrest by a bunch of nobodies, and the limited, and much overhyped video.

The defense has done a nice job prying out of the professional witnesses the street reality of long standing training practices of police agencies. That, and it’s methods don’t produce death in most cases, unless there’s some underlining issues with a suspect.

Looking forward to the defenses turn at the plate. I see home runs flying outta the courtroom.


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Don't assume any conservative will get a fair trial in Minneapolis or Hennepin County MN...

Getting a government job almost seems to have a requirement of being a card carrying DFL DemocRAT....

These so called " witnesses" are saying exactly the Hennepin County Attorney's Office is telling them to say...

You can sure tell the difference in demeanor from the Sates witness and the defense witnesses.
Eric Nelson fleshed it out nicely, yesterday and today, he kicked azz big time.

If Chauvin spends any time in jail..... whites should riot.

George's brother, lol, wont be getting any acting gigs with those Crocodile tears lol.

That is a very kind assessment of our current justice system; in reality, it's far, far worse than that.

I would not feel warm & fuzzy if my life was in the jury's hands.

MM

LMAO

Excellent comments. I've not been overly impressed with Chauvin's lawyer. He seems to have left an awful lot on the table and not challenged the prosecution when he should have. For example, phat fire-fighter gal was allowed to repeatedly opine that Chavin killed Floyd with nary a whisper of objection from Nelson. And your questions above are the kind that should have been asked, it seems to me.

That's why you recall the witness.

You still planning on putting a slug in Chauvin's chest?

Heh.
There were a handful here that said that.

Yep. Plus that is what your grandpaps was terrlled by his grandpaps.

LMAO

Still not as fugked up as wearing a diaper on yer face

Or getting kicked out of a public park.

I hold Mr.Denton's legal knowledge in the highest esteem.

But, I still think that officer will be convicted, just to keep the peace.

How ironic is that?

Of course, it will be overturned on appeal.

Another Pawn.

What do you think the possibility of a mid-trial is, Lt.?

Best thing that can happen is for the trial to last until ~Nov and the verdict to be read in Jan.

You act so petty when you’re offended , Jew Geezer

Let us know when you decide who you are.

Until then go fug up another thread with your inane stupidity.
Thanks

No idea man. Things are way different up there. I've never seen a trial last more than a couple of days...ever for serial murderers, much less a doper dying in custody.

I wouldn't count on that.

His trials been AFU, for sure.

But, the courts will tell you you're only entitled to a "fair" trial.

Which some people believe means the rules gotta be followed, and if it was unfair, you get a new trial.

Not so.

"Fair trial" means halfway between very good and shtty.

IOW, average.

IOW, the trial that could be done, under the circumstances. And no appellate judge is gonna want to have ta do this thing again.

Which means that the judge's errors, due to the circumstances, like not sequestering the jury during the entire trial, so they can see the nightly rioting, can be explained away.

And Chauvin's lawyers errors don't count, since he lost.

I’d think it hard to find an impartial jury member that hasn’t seen what happened and formed an opinion on it before the trial.

I think a mis-trial is a possibility with the trial being moved like was done with Gary Plauche in Louisiana years back. He wound up with a 10 year strict probation for what was an obvious premeditated murder. But,,,that was in Louisiana.

I'll be honest. The lesson here for law enforcement is to let them wander off into an alley and die. If that's not feasible, load 'em up and deliver them dead to the jail.

Society is going to pay a very dear price for this concerted war on cops.

This trial is so tainted from so many angles.

No such thing as a "fair trial" going to happen here.

Once again, glad I don't live in a liberal schithole. The fires will burn there again with typical leftist response.. do nothing. Except now it's on their watch, and they have to eat that, whether they like it or not. Won't matter, though. "Mostly peaceful".

This may be a popular theory for some here but there's PLENTY of white people running around in these riots acting like jungle animals too. It has nothing to do with it. It's all Democrat Party brainwashing. You can teach a monkey to play chess or smash things on the ground.

*shrug*
So be it...........there's a reason I don't live in a liberal, urban hellhole.

I think the defense will need to up it's game. Day 1 of presenting their case did not go well. The defense's use of force expert made lots of concessions and did some back-pedaling under cross examination. He came out strong, confident and definitive, but gave up ground to the prosecutors under cross. So, what the jury has heard to this point are statements that at some point the use of force was excessive and against Dept policy when Floyd stopped moving and that Chauvin continued his use of force even after another officer said there was no pulse. They have also heard that the cause of death was asphyxiation and not heart disease or a drug overdose. The defense has tried to put some doubt in the jury's heads but the jury has not heard anyone say that the cause of death was either or both of those conditions. I think they will need to hear some medical expert say and prove that one or the other or both are the cause of death. I doubt that they will put Chauvin on the stand but I'd like to hear from him why he kept his knee on Floyd's neck after he became unresponsive and was told he didn't have a pulse and why resuscitative measures were not started.

STFU already,

Your takes have been off target from the git.

I think any defense police practices or use of force expert has a tough row to hoe with Chauvin keeping the knee on after there is no pulse. I'll be interested to see if there is a defense medical expert. I presume there will be. Can't imagine them conceding that issue with so many questions as to what actually caused death. As far as Chauvin testifying, I guess it depends on their assessment of where they stand with the jury. Frankly, at this point, I'd like to hear what he has to say. Does he have anything to lose?

Nope.

Actually, his analysis has been quite good. The objective shouldn't be to parrot some party line, but to strive for objective commentary.

Has any expert witness been asked whether there was any bruising to the area where the knee was placed? Has there been any attempt to determine how much force Chauvin was actually applying with his knee?

It may depend on how likable he comes across in person. After seeing the vid, he would need to be one charming mofo before I would put him on the stand.

IF there ever was a no brainier appeal, if found guilty, for change of venue, sequestering the jury who live in ground zero, this surely meets the requirements.

The Dynamic Duo.

"Salmon, ID" and Upstate NY.



Together at last!

That's not what I saw/think.
Its hard to know what the jury thinks but, some of the States witnesses have been fake and coached in their testimony.
That is to be expected I suppose, but its pretty corny.

if you bothered to read the autopsy, there were no marks, abrasions or bruising on the body. Pretty funny for a libtrud like you who claimed to be a legal expert and initially called it cold blooded murder. No one is buying your fake outrage now lmao

Yes they were asked....answer...no bruising.

Looking forward to hearing from a defense medical expert.

I'm not outraged...dummy. Never said I was a legal expert and regardless, people can change their mind, can't they? Love the childish name-calling though! You're really impressing the retard crowd.

That will be entertaining to say the least.

Yes, it was addressed. The ME did not find any bruising on or near the neck or his back. The medical experts who were asked about that said that the absence of bruising is not unusual for a gradual application of pressure as opposed to a blow.

I've watched most of the trial and I have not heard much about any calculations of the amount of force applied. They did show one photo of Chauvin's foot off the ground indicating that all the weight on that side of his body was on Floyd's neck for a short period of time. Of course, we all know weight can shift and I did see in one of the videos where Chauvin lifted his knee off his neck for a very brief period of time.

Not to hijack the thread, but this Wright shooting is getting interesting. The MSM is pushing hard to deny the obvious fact it was an accidental shooting. I mean, you don't yell "taser, taser, taser" if you actually believe you have unholstered and are about to shoot your sidearm. And then she exclaims afterwards "Oh My God! I shot him!" Clearly, clearly accidental, but the MSM will want her head on a platter too. And as others have pointed out, all Wright had to do was obey lawful orders....

There was no bruising in the area of his neck but there were abrasions to his face, supposedly from being in contact with the asphalt and a few other abrasions/marks on other parts of his body that showed up as very dark spots. The ME went over that ground. There was no bruising on his back, shoulder or neck.

At this time, I think there needs to be PSAs or training given in school by resource officers as to how to behave when you are placed under arrest. Resistance is futile. You is not going to talk an officer into un-arresting (is that a word) you and you are not likely to win in a struggle. Put your hands behind your back, get in the car and keep your mouth shut except to say - - "lawyer".

So, no signs of a struggle with police?

You'd think people would learn. Pretty amazing that they haven't.

The State's 'dream team' of prosecutors have buried the defense in 51,000 disclosures. It sounds like 8,000 of them, which might be used to impeach the defense's witnesses tomorrow, were delivered in the last 24 hours.

It seems quite unreasonable, not to mention uncustomary, that the State should expend such exhaustive resources toward the prosecution of a singular citizen who's spent his life as a rank and file municipal police officer. This is particularly true as the defendant's not been accused of being a billionaire or even millionaire criminal mastermind. Expecting that a regular citizen of ordinary means would be able to mount a defense against this State sponsored "dream team", is well beyond unduly burdensome.

Further, arguments claiming that because special prosecutors like Steven Schleichter are working pro bono and therefore don't count toward the State's cost, fail to recognize the priceless nature of the political capital earned from such appointments.

That said, the prosecution's obvious means are only overshadowed by condescension and arrogance as they befuddle jurors in endless technically tedious equivocal shell games.

Maybe they are alienating jurors with their antics. They've definitely pulled out all the stops for Chauvin, but I question the defense attorney's heart in all this. Not seeing a lot of fight from him.

Not a legal expert??

This psyche doc seems to think so. It's an interesting video. Don't agree with all his analysis, but he makes some interesting points. IMHO, how did this guy ever pass his agency's psyche eval? The impression is left that the Minneapolis PD is very poorly trained and has very low standards.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Gkz5pCKrwk



Here it is again:

2019 Minnesota Statutes

Murder
609.195 MURDER IN THE THIRD DEGREE.
(a) Whoever, without intent to effect the death of any person, causes the death of another by perpetrating an act eminently dangerous to others and evincing a depraved mind, without regard for human life, is guilty of murder in the third degree and may be sentenced to imprisonment for not more than 25 years.


There is no "intent to kill" requirement under the Minnesota statute. Whether or not he intended to kill is irrelevant.

They already have the preliminary autopsy and the DA would not have filed if he did not think the final report would confirm causation, even with drugs/alcohol on board. The DA (or his charging deputy or investigator) were present for the autopsy and have spoken personally with the forensic pathologist.



You are, without question, one of the most ignorant, ill-informed and bigoted people on this forum. You literally do not have a clue how jury trials are conducted---and OJ was an aberration. I accept your concession that you are incapable of answering my challenge.

Nonsense. The report is generated by a forensic pathologist who knows she will be subject to cross-examination and intense professional scrutiny. Additionally, her reputation and future utility as an expert witness will be at stake. She will make her conclusion as empirically valid as possible.

No, but when evidence of a medical emergency manifests, you ignore it at your peril, especially when you are kneeling on the back of his neck and camera's are rolling. The officer has a duty to safeguard the health of his arrestee and kneeling on the back of his neck while he is possibly having a medical emergency is arguably a dereliction of that duty.

You want me to cite the case law on this issue? How about the expert opinion of Police Practices Expert Dr. Ron Martinelli (formerly on retainer to Jeff Sessions defending excessive use of force allegations against federal LEOs)?

Right now every cracker in the US is in danger of assault by blacks in their community.

What's new.



And almost on cue, the racist "Christian" pretender rears his ugly head....

You're obsession with me is quite comical. The Minnesota statute is what it is. What primarily changed my mind was the emergence of a very obvious political agenda to convict Chauvin of the most serious possible crime and to shade the evidence in favor of conviction regardless. I gave the prosecution too much benefit of the doubt on their ethics. They're all in on making an example out of him.

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Right or wrong, the only place chauvin is walkin is straight to the pen... they’ll keep him in pc, but some big buck will get ahold of him, then it will be over.... there’s really no other outcome.

I will say, any law enforcement career is probably the worst decision a human could make, from now til this country finally fails. Bank on it. 👍

Addendum; I agree he should walk, and they “used” to teach the leg on the neck technique for the last 22 years I’ve been in the business... got my yearly “defensive tactics “ training next week, I suspect it won’t be used..

I won't make up my mind until after closing arguments. There's still more testimony to be given. The prosecution's witnesses have stated that, in their expert opinion, Mr. Floyd would be alive today had Officer Chauvin not retrained him as he did, for as long as he did. The defense better have expert witnesses to testify that Mr. Floyd would be alive today if he hadn't ingested what he did. They need to show or present testimony that an otherwise normal and healthy person would be expected to survive that type of restraint for that length of time.

ME report showed no evidence of contusion or any obstruction to the airway or artery in the decedent's neck resulting from applied pressure. Further, stating one can't breathe is impossible if one cannot breathe but is known to be uttered by those in the throes of an overdose, like the decedent appeared to have been.

Another bs show trial. He should walk.

If a change of venue were to be granted, where might that be?

This story is world wide, every news organization, blog, forum and social media outlet in the country not only played the videos, they condemned his and demanded his head on a platter. Not to mention what our politicians did to politicize this for their own gain.

Yes, MN has its fare share of idiots, liberal idiots run amuck in The Cities, but is there really any place in America where he could get a fare trial?

Can we assume you have the same opinion about George Floyd.

The experts are not saying that death was caused by the restraint stopping blood flow to the brain. They are saying it was due to not sufficient O2 to the brain. There has been testimony that this can and did occur gradually. They testified that Floyd's breathing was not fully obstructed so as to preclude talking but that it was restricted enough that not enough O2 was being received and that O2 deprivation was not sudden but gradual. The State's expert pulmonologist explained how that is possible and likely in this case. It was explained that one could be able to talk up to a point, but that at some point of the lungs not getting enough O2, the person would go unconscious and die. From the testimony to this point, the cause and manner of death are consistent, possible and, in their opinion, likely. There has yet to be expert testimony or an explanation of the nature of Mr. Floyd's death being consistent with an overdose. Maybe that is coming, if/when the defense produces their medical experts, but the jury can not consider evidence that has not been presented to them.

Possible is not absolute and reasonable doubt exists due to the simultaneous drug overdose occurring at the time. This is why he will walk and rightly so. Chauvin did not kill anyone.

I do. There is no doubt that there were lots of ways to avoid their outcomes by both Floyd and Wright. However, the police in their roles also have a responsibility to avoid those outcomes. Deadly force is only appropriate to defend their lives or the lives of others. Police have a responsibility to use the correct level of force for the situation. That's part of their training. Mistakes and mistaken judgement will occur but we are all accountable for our mistakes, at some level. The nature of that accountability is determined by laws.

Civil Unrest Continues In Minneapolis: Mass Detainments, Unlawful Assembly Declared

https://dailycaller.com/2021/04/14/...gvI1r6FWXVSNIe59KNyR.mHb5MPaKG2yDs5USsgk

The natives are getting restless, can’t wait to see what they do when the jury renders their verdict .

Again, it is possible that the defense will produce experts that can show evidence that Mr. Floyd's death was due to an overdose. That has not been done yet. The defense has brought up the issue of the death possibly being from an overdose, but, the State's expert medical witnesses have all rejected that as being the cause of death. You may have your opinion on that matter, but the jury is not supposed to bring in their own opinions. They have to look at the facts that have been presented to them. If the defense produces testimony from some recognized expert that the drugs in his system was or could have been the cause of death, THEN, the jury can consider that testimony and make a determination as to which cause of death is likely correct, or, if there has been enough credible conflicting evidence as to produce reasonable doubt.

“Well,,,People do what they do”.

Nancy Pelosi

That's not gonna matter to the right jury.

Not supposed too, But they do and they always will. They are people, not machines.

To think otherwise is not only naive, it’s retarded

As number of encounters increase , numbers of possible bad calls will too .
Like any thing we do , the more active you are in your job , the higher risk numbers become .
Of course that wouldn’t be accepted defense for woulda shoulda people , it is however , a fact of life .
Also the responsibility of anyone who decides to ride around all fugged up and give a cop an attitude when you’re already in the wrong .
Riding dirty can have a lot of meanings , if do , it’s your choice to roll or not to roll those dice .
Kenneth
Yeah , have rolled them many times when younger , just luckier than some , but it was my choice and would have been on me if I had got caught and likely no bleeding hearts

Of course a jury can bring in their own opinions and bias. If that becomes too obvious the judge can set aside their decision. It's rare, but possible. I'm trying to look just at the facts presented. The judge will instruct them to only consider the facts and testimony presented to them. Many people can do that and that's what jury selection is supposed to do; weed out those who can't.

...and the judge also has/her opinions and bias, think Emmet Sullivan, John Roberts, RBG, and the entire 9th circuit, just to name a few.

Reasonable doubt. In my mind it seems pretty easy to create reasonable doubt. As a prosecutor, I'd straight up ask every medical witness if they are 100% certain that Chauvin's method of restraint was the cause of death. It's really hard to arrive at that degree of certainty when he had a lethal dose of fentanyl in his system and some other serious medical defects.

If the court would permit, I'd have the restraint technique demonstrated for a full 10 minutes during the trial. Chauvin may have weighed 165 dressed out.

For me the pivotal issue is, and has been, the standard of care Chauvin exercised. When you seize a person you have to provide a "reasonable" standard of care. I am not sure the continued application of the restraint as the life slowly passed from Floyd's body was reasonable. Without the weight on Floyd's chest, would his compromised lungs have been able to fully expand and draw in enough air to sustain life? I'd want a medical expert to address that. As I understand it, the restraint Chauvin used does not cause either blood or oxygen deprivation. If Chauvin had relaxed the restraint as Floyd became compliant, would Floyd have been able to draw full breaths? I haven't heard anyone else exploring the weight on the chest aspect. Maybe I am out in the weeds on this.

I don't think reasonable doubt is going to fly in this trial, in that location at this time, in favor of the defense.

If there's any benefit of the doubt, it's going to go against the defense & favor the prosecution.

MM

I don't think reasonable doubt is going to fly in this trial, in that location at this time, in favor of the defense.

If there's any benefit of the doubt, it's going to go against the defense & favor the prosecution.

MM
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This, which once again turns one thousand plus years of Common Law on it's head...

Do you not understand Graham vs Connor?

The popo aint killing honor students.

Got a warrant? Are you fugged up? Well hell head on out into the public. Better yet, do stupid chit so you demand police interaction.

Spin that racist lottery wheel.

Ya aint worth a fuggin dime alive but could be worth a couple hundred K half dead, millions full dead ( and your vote count double ).

Lots of speculation, assumption, mind reading, misunderstanding and just plain ignorant (as in lack of actually knowing the law) statements made in this thread. Some of you would be better served researching what the law actually is before you make statements. Then again, this is the internet and everyone is an expert.

Today we got the defense's forensic pathologist's testimony who offered his conclusion that Mr. Floyd's heath condition and the drugs he consumed along with his proximity to the squad car's exhaust (whereby carbon monoxide can also reduce the availability of O2 in his blood) were the cause of death - a cardiac arrhythmia . Now, the jury has some testimony that contradicts the official cause of death on the death certificate. This testimony can induce reasonable doubt in a juror. It's now up to some lay jurors to evaluate differing medical & scientific data and analysis and determine which one is true. Absent being able to do that, we have reasonable doubt as to cause of death. Furthermore, the defense's pathologist ruled out asphyxia as a cause of death citing studies which were previously discussed and discounted by the State's ME. The defense's pathologist stated that the neck restraint did not interfere with any vital function and he calculated the force/weight imparted by Officer Chauvin was significantly less than his 140 lb weight (not including police equipment). The defense's pathologist also stated that bruising should have been seen if there were 50 lbs of force from a bony knee or shin on soft tissue and there was none.

The defense's pathologist would have classified the nature of death on the death certificate as "undetermined" because there were several factors at play: natural causes (heart issues), accidental (drugs), proximity of his restraint to a carbon monoxide source and whatever factor the restraint might have played are classified as a homicide. When multiple possible causes or contributing factors are at play the proper classification per guidance is "undetermined".

All in all a very good morning for the defense and the testimony they needed to inject reasonable doubt into the jury.

The cross examination this afternoon was aggressive and tried to muddy the waters of this morning's testimony but was mostly ineffective IMO. They didn't cut into any significant credibility with the exception of his testimony regarding the influence of carbon monoxide. Since the State's ME did not test for CO in Mr. Floyd's blood, there was no proof of CO involvement and the defense's pathologist did no study of how much CO would have been present in Mr. Floyd's proximity. If the car was running there is no doubt that some CO was present and any amount of CO exposure would have reduced the availability of of Oxygen in the blood. The question is to what degree.

The defense's re-direct to the prosecution's cross was effective and IMO minimized and marginalized the prosecution's points made in their cross examination.

I thought the CO bit was mostly bullshit.

He died because of drugs, a bad heart, struggling with police, and adrenaline. The defense showed a clip of Floyd repeatedly saying he couldn't breathe well before Chauvin even arrived on the scene. That to me, says it all.

If Chauvin walks....."Category five is about to arrive".

Don't really matter. It's gonna depend on 12 people who don't have an opinion on anything and the threats the State make to them.

When does that get brought up? Closing arguments?

It'll happen either way.

Now or next time. Or both.

If it does, blacks will have badly overplayed their hand.

MM

Only Tarquin finds your analysis interesting, relevant, or compelling. You might want to think about that.

Such a shame. Officer Chauvin would have been better off shooting that guy in the head when he first resisted rather than trying to save his life.

Thanks for that summary. The judge is screwing over the defense. A full week of testimony from people about how watching Floyd die made them "feel". Completely irrelevant. Reinstates a dubious 3rd-degree murder charge. Also, the defense use of force expert seemed pretty weak to me. Not focused in his testimony and it was very tentative and diluted.

The Law, oh please, this so called prosecution has nothing to do with the law. It’s all Agenda Driven politics, no different than the Persecution of General Flynn and Roger Stone,

Yawn.

I wasn’t talking about the Prosecutions knowledge of the law. Try to keep up, Corky

This^^^^^

It's pretty obvious that you don't.

Of course it's bullschit.

When?

It may never get brought up.

When what?

Does it need to be? Why wouldn’t it be? Seems on point, IMO.

CO intoxication might explain any accused/perceived lapses in judgment of anyone else who was near the exhaust for an extended period of time.

Yawn

Chauvin was in a fight for his life with a very large, strong, and violent career criminal jacked up on a variety of drugs.
Politicians want Chauvin tried in the court on CNN and MSNBC.
Blacks make the likes of Floyd, Martin,etc their heros.
So sad.........
I hope Chauvin walks.

The reason we're seeing so many people getting shot by police now is because the media, backed up by radical politicians, has led to the idea that one is justified in resisting arrest and obligated to resist. They have created an atmosphere where people are led to believe they are a hero and won't have any consequences for resisting. The media and democrats in general have put a target on the backs of all law enforcement officers and sadly or own FBI, DOJ and CIA have helped. Radical leftist ideology can only lead to one place; chaos.

We are “seeing” more because just about everyone on the planet has a smart phone , more and more departments use dash cams and body cams, social media and sites like YouTube provide a platform for videos to be shared and of course politicians exploiting these event to further their agenda.

As for an actual increase police shootings, Duno, I don’t have the stats in front of me,

Correct. Here is the video of the entire arrest. Most people only see the end from the news media....where Chauvin is kneeling on him....not where he resisted arrest for a full 30 minutes and was begged, pleaded, and sweet talked in an attempt to get him to behave.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...rrowing-final-moments-brutal-arrest.html

This right here. Unfortunately, I believe the fix is in. If an election can be stolen, fixing a verdict is a piece of cake.

He wont walk and people want to see him swinging from a rope.

27 million doesn't matter.

I hope he walks, look out if you live near lots of coloreds

when is this trial scheduled to wrap up?

Fight for his life? Well that's a little melodramatic and exaggerated. Floyd was handcuffed and resisting being put into a squad car. He was resisting and needed to be subdued but to say that any of the officers present was in a fight for their lives is over the top. The only act of aggression I saw from Mr. Floyd was he attempted a little kick at an officer as he was being put to the ground. The reporting of this case is full of bias. That is why I wanted to watch the trial, to get the facts of the case as presented to the jury. Not someone's interpretation of what was said or presented. Soon it will be up to the jury to decide if Chauvin caused Mr. Floyd's death or if it was one or more of the other causes presented to the jury by the defense's pathologist. At this point, I have a reasonable doubt that Chauvin's actions are directly responsible for Mr. Floyd's death, at least not for 2nd or 3rd degree murder. However, the optics for Chauvin are horrible and I'm not sure the jury will get past that.

If I was on the jury I would need the charge of 2nd degree manslaughter (as per MN law) clarified by the judge. The part that in my mind puts Chauvin in jeopardy of that charge is the fact that he remained on Mr. Floyd's neck and back after Mr. Floyd lost consciousness and was no longer struggling. Another officer questioned Mr. Chauvin as to whether they should put Mr. Floyd on his side (in a recovery position) and Chauvin declined. Every witness testifying on the use of force (both for the State and the defense) testified/admitted that there was no justification for Chauvin to continue to use force after Mr. Floyd stopped struggling and lost consciousness. Testimony from medical experts indicated that at the point where Mr. Floyd lost consciousness the officer's should have checked on Mr. Floyd's condition and rendered first aid CPR if Mr. Floyd was found to be in cardiac arrest. Mr. Chauvin's failure to do those things can be a case of "culpable negligence" meaning Chauvin's actions created an "unreasonable risk of death or bodily harm". I would need it clarified by the judge whether "unreasonable risk of death" required proof of the actual cause of death.

No way he walks. He'll be convicted on manslaughter. The appeal will begin immediately and will probably be successful.

The city will burns either way.

Did Chauvin act appropriately? Yep, right up until Saint Floyd stopped breathing and pissed his pants. That's called a clue. Roll him over to the side recovery position and at least offer some words of encouragement (hey buddy, stay with us, whatever), and some sternum rubs. Would that have saved him? Nope, he was dead either way. But I looked bad....to clowns like Paul

I have been saying that for years.

Just this morning I had a conversation with my bud, Mannlicher. We were discussing the degradation of the Design District in Miami and it going back to the schithole it once was.

My reply:

Picked up 2 houses on 1 huge lot down there years ago. One needed some mild rehab. Groids in the house thought they didn't have to pay rent. (Weren't paying previous owner either). Reassured them they did. They refused. So I threw them out. Cawps come on debarcation day and baby daddy comes rolling up as his schit is being put on the swale. Aszhole starts threatening me right in front of them. Cawps, of course, doing nothing about it. In front of the cawps, I told the mother'fugker I'd shoot him in the fugkin head if he came near me.

Groids are allowed to make death threats in front of cawps, don't you know?

The citizens of those areas of Minneapolis have voted for lawlessness and are pissed off when cops try to enforce laws.

I really don't care if they want to live in a lawless society but after the local businesses are gone, the friends of Ilhan Omar will move into lawful areas.

Even Target announced they were getting the fugk out of that city.

NGAF. Lots of nice people there but they're too stupid to save themselves.

Target is owned by the Dayton Family of Minneapolis and one of the Daytons was the previous liberal governor and part of the current problem. Their politics and policies have driven Daytons out of their home town.

I LIKE IT!

Will it be different when it's YOU, your friends, your life lost, your guns taken, your freedom gone, being a felon for what you legally own now, eliminated like Ashli Babbitt, or victims of red flag laws, and not some black thug?

Maybe they thought they could vote there way out of this, similar to members here that still think elections, even local elections, still are a viable option.

The defense has rested it's case. Officer Chauvin has declined to testify. The prosecution was allowed a rebuttal from the pulmonologist that previously testified for the State to address a few new issues brought up by the testimony of the defense's pathologist. This is expected to address the idea of environmental exposure to carbon monoxide and to cite a study on heart size to rebut the testimony that Mr. Floyd had an enlarged heart. The pulmonologist is also expected to testify that a test showed an O2 level in Mr. Floyd's blood that would preclude the presence of a significant level of carbon monoxide. The defense is expected to challenge the accuracy of that O2 testing.

The judge did not allow "newly found" evidence that the State ME says it had, but did not disclose to the defense, that the CO level was tested in Mr. Floyd's blood and that it was low to insignificant. The judge ruled that it was the State's responsibility to find and disclose this evidence/data to the defense during discovery months ago. The judge ruled it would be prejudicial to the defense for the State to present this evidence at such a late time. It was noted that the defense's expert pathologist was on a plane on his way home and unavailable to consider, evaluate and testify about this newly reported evidence. The judge also clearly stated that IF the State's pulmonologist makes any reference to the test results of the CO level in Mr. Floyd's blood that he will declare a mistrial.

Should Chauvin have testified?

Dr. Tobin the State's witness pulmonologist just testified that Mr. Floyd has an O2 saturation level of 98%. If that is the case - - how the hell does one have asphyxia?? If the blood is saturated with O2 when measured at the hospital how do you have O2 deficiency since it's the blood that carries the Oxygen. This doesn't make sense to this layman. Heck I've checked my O2 level with a pulse oximeter and my O2 saturation level is 97%. I guess I should be dead. Hopefully the defense can jump on that without the help of their medical experts.

I don't know. That's his call after consulting with his attorney.

I watched quite abit of it and I don't think Chauvin will walk. Hanson turned out to not have enough pit bull in him. He almost never objected to anything. Weak.

Hung jury...at best.

All trial long we've heard the State's medical experts say how death was from the brain and heart being O2 starved. The defense is saying it was a heart or drug issue. How is your brain or heart O2 starved with an O2 blood saturation at 98%???? For me as a layman, the reason your brain doesn't get the O2 it needs when the blood is 98% saturated with O2 is because that O2 saturated blood isn't being pumped to the brain. Doesn't this make his death a cardiac death??

Any medical people here? What am I missing?

When the jury announces its verdict.

L.W.

NOT A DOCTOR OR MEDICAL BACKGROUND HERE. But, this might actually be bad. If the O2 in the blood was high enough to sustain life, but the knee on the neck disrupts blood flow to the brain, wouldn't that cause death? It does imply his lungs where working, so the "I can't breath" thing becomes suspect.

A lot of enabling done in the name of “social justice”.

Because he died from an OD of fentanyl. My understanding is Fentanyl kills by slowing the rate and depth of breathing, cause heart arrhythmia, blood pressure drop, etc. Positional asphyxiation may have also played a role. Plus he was also a fat ass with a bunch of health problems. Mix it all up and it’s a reason for free Nikes for all the natives

Heart can be pumping but not actually moving much blood due to timing issues. Blood flow to the brain can be stopped by constricting all FOUR arteries at once. Clearly that was not happening.

Reportedly, he was at some risk from the adverse effects of hypoxemia/hypoxia for medical reasons. Now, as I understand liability law, you take'em as you find'em. For example if someone is injured and suffers added consequences because of underlying medical issues, the party causing the injuries get a double whammy.

So, the way the victim was handled may not have had such an adverse effect on someone without his underlying medical issues; it doesn't take the liability away from the causative actions.

So, given the political climate, given the ultimate outcome, given the optics of the officer's actions, I think he goes down for the count.

We'll see.

DF

Follow me here. The State has said that death was not from the neck compression interfering with blood flow to the brain (the knee would have only compressed one carotid artery and there are two that supply blood). Their position has been he died from hypoxia, or insufficient oxygen in the blood due to restriction of breathing. You can't breathe, your O2 levels drop and then the brain and heart die. That insufficient O2 in the blood is what was supposed to have killed him. That's why one of the State's primary witness was a pulmonologist.

So, after hearing all about hypoxia for the entire trial, today we hear that his O2 blood saturation was at 98%. That's not hypoxia. I looked it up and anything above 95 is considered normal and people with COPD often have O2 blood saturation levels in the mid 80%. My sister when she got COVID had O2 levels in the upper 80%. The defense is saying that death was due to a cardiac event possibly caused or complicated by the drugs in his system. If his O2 level taken after his death was normal, how could his death be from hypoxia or low O2 levels?? From my thinking (I know that's dangerous) that makes the defense's cause of death theory the correct one.

I was waiting for the defense attn'y to ask the pulmonologist how death by hypoxia occurs with an O2 blood level of 98%? No, I wasn't waiting, I was jumping out of my chair begging my TV for him to ask that question.

I am with you Cooper.I'd like to have that explained to me.

'Preciate the commentary. Good info.

Retracted

I hope he gets found not guilty. The turds will riot no matter the outcome. They are allowed to burn the city down and klown harris bails them out. dims own it.

I agree, they will riot either way.

Anyone, who believes Chauvin killed him after watching that video, is a fuqing idiot.

We have the Dunning and Kruger legal panel right here.

I've not watched much of the trial but it seems to me the defense attorney left a lot on the table.

Cooper57's critique of the prosecution's evidence seems compelling to me. How could someone have died of asphyxiation when their 02 blood saturation level is at 98% post-mortem??

LOL

Because they’re lying.

And you’re an idiot.

For example, I was surprised he let the fat fire-fighter gal opine twice that Chauvin killed Floyd. Nary the peep of an objection. He should have challenged her on that to expose her bias (not that it wasn't obvious, but you never know how jurors receive evidence).

I didn't think the defense use of force/police practices expert was very well prepped either. He could have been a lot stronger, IMHO.

Yup. Been posting that for months.

He should have cut her off in mid-sentence.

He's another witness for the prosecution.

What happened friday. have been away from home and have not gotten the news

Thought I heard they took a 3 day wknd returning on Monday.

Well, Maxine Waters' comments at a protest/riot last night should, in a just world, result in a mistrial.

Too bad we're not anywhere near a just world......

The Groids won with O.J. maybe whitey will get this one. LOL

I doubt it though....Neg Manslaughter at best.

No matter the outcome im gonna sit back and watch the nigs burn their inner city [bleep] to the ground. Again. Im sure it will be mostly peaceful protests though. Light it!

How she isn't brought up on charges for inciting riots is tragic.

no chance he walks,he will most likely be convicted of a lesser felony,the decent citizens will still burn it down.

Could be because she's black and a democrat.

" Chauvin Will Walk... "

LMAO, is there anyone actually so plucking dumb as to believe this ?

If so, I have a summer resort on Peter I Island to book you into for a month's stay. Shorts, T-shirts and flip flops required.

trolltroll.....

.................... weinie roast .........

No way any competent defense attorney would have put him on the stand. And that's assuming Chauvin was articulate, quick-witted, and likeable.


If the defense attorney asks the follow-up questions, and gets answers he doesn't like, he can't argue the point in closing arguments.

I really want to watch the defense closing. It's impossible to predict jury verdicts but Chauvin's only chance is a hung jury. Despite the protests and jury pressure, the judge, though he has been generally fair, won't grant a mistrial. And I just don't see the jury as willing to acquit. Maybe if the police/race relations quiet down in a few years, Chauvin wins on appeal.

Does the jury vote have to be unanimous to convict?

Or does Chauvin just need one?

Unanimous to convict or to acquit on any or all three counts.

Steven Schleichter is really not likeable.


I'm surprised they let him do the closing for the prosecution.


Schleichter talks to the jury like they are children.

Well then, hung jury.

The thing is that with this trial, which is about as high profile as it gets, it's unlikely that the DA will let it go with a hung jury. So that means another trial....

If the glove does not fit, you must ACQUIT

This is one of those times when the DA needs to go on trial.