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Re: Female cop grabs side arm instead of Taser... [Re: JoeBob] #16004914 04/18/21
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Originally Posted by JoeBob
Maybe, shape a taser more like the old mag lights everyone had to carry and instead of pointing it like a pistol, you point it like a flashlight.



Perhaps the limiting issue with taser design is that in action a taser has to be aimed with about the same speed and precision as a handgun, including one-handed if needed.

That being said, if they could come up with a design where some other action besides pulling a trigger with the trigger finger sets it off, that might help. That unfortunate Cop coulda got away with trying to press a taser button on her Glock that wasn’t there.

On the greater topic, we all make errors, fortunately for most of us very few of them result in criminal liability, much less injury or death. But for those that do, we ARE liable.

Even Bill Jordan shot and killed a friend by accident, today that incident would’ve ended his career and possibly left him a convicted felon.


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Re: Female cop grabs side arm instead of Taser... [Re: deflave] #16004916 04/18/21
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Originally Posted by deflave
I think not carrying one solves all kinds of problems.

Bring back nightsticks.


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Re: Female cop grabs side arm instead of Taser... [Re: The_Real_Hawkeye] #16004922 04/18/21
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Originally Posted by The_Real_Hawkeye
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I think not carrying one solves all kinds of problems.

Bring back nightsticks.


Or have a partner and don’t hesitate to grab the mother fugker.


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Re: Female cop grabs side arm instead of Taser... [Re: deflave] #16004924 04/18/21
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Originally Posted by deflave
I think not carrying one solves all kinds of problems.


I’m okay with that.

Re: Female cop grabs side arm instead of Taser... [Re: deflave] #16004929 04/18/21
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Originally Posted by deflave
I think not carrying one solves all kinds of problems.

That would require hiring LEOs that could actually prevail in a physical confrontation.

I'm not saying you're wrong (you're not), just making an observation.

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Originally Posted by goalie
Originally Posted by deflave
I think not carrying one solves all kinds of problems.

That would require hiring LEOs that could actually prevail in a physical confrontation.

I'm not saying you're wrong (you're not), just making an observation.


It might would also require hiring LEOs who had to think a little harder of ways to avoid physical confrontations.

“Even in a contest between man and steer, the issue is not certain.”

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Re: Female cop grabs side arm instead of Taser... [Re: Tarquin] #16004953 04/18/21
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If they'd hand out tasers to parents at the hospital when these kids are born the Popo wouldn't need to carry em.


I was young and bashful back then.
Today,...I'd just knock on her door,..hand her the crab dope, and say, "Rub summa this on ya booger. I'll be back day after tomorrow".
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Re: Female cop grabs side arm instead of Taser... [Re: hemiallen] #16005301 04/18/21
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Originally Posted by hemiallen

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A security guard , I believe hispanic, did the " oops thought I pulled my tazer" on an unruly BART train I think around oakland several years ago.

Ouch, 2009. My timeframe was off

https://youtu.be/57ltk97xGwM

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That's not the incident he's speaking of. I think he's speaking of the Tulsa Reserve Sheriff's Deputy who shot some dude to death and ended up doing some time for it.


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Re: Female cop grabs side arm instead of Taser... [Re: The_Real_Hawkeye] #16005365 04/18/21
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Originally Posted by The_Real_Hawkeye
Originally Posted by deflave
I think not carrying one solves all kinds of problems.

Bring back nightsticks.


Bring back intelligence


" The claim: Should Potter’s professional background as a cop have made her know the difference between a gun and Taser?

Our rating: Yes.

According to CNN, the Minnesota Bureau of Criminal Apprehension also found Potter’s gun on the right side of her duty belt and her Taser on the left side. A news release from Washington County Attorney Pete Orput’s office also said the Taser is yellow with a black grip in a straight-draw position, which means Potter would’ve had to use her left hand to pull the Taser out of her belt.

The argument has drawn public scrutiny from the general public, celebrities and even pro-gun advocates such as televangelist Pat Robertson, according to Business Insider, who called the claim “crazy” during a segment on “The 700 Club.”

The Brooklyn Center Police Department’s policy, according to ABC News, says stun guns are intended to control a violent or potentially violent individual, while minimizing serious injury risk. Officers have to be trained and must position stun guns “in a reaction-side holster on the opposite side of their duty weapon.”

https://www.revolt.tv/2021/4/16/22388484/kim-potter-gun-and-taser-comparisons



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Re: Female cop grabs side arm instead of Taser... [Re: The_Real_Hawkeye] #16005375 04/18/21
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Originally Posted by The_Real_Hawkeye
Originally Posted by deflave
I think not carrying one solves all kinds of problems.

Bring back nightsticks.


Go all Rodney King on their asses.

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Re: Female cop grabs side arm instead of Taser... [Re: EthanEdwards] #16005388 04/18/21
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Originally Posted by EthanEdwards
[That's not the incident he's speaking of. I think he's speaking of the Tulsa Reserve Sheriff's Deputy who shot some dude to death and ended up doing some time for it.



https://www.cnn.com/2016/04/27/us/tulsa-deputy-manslaughter-trial/index.html

"A jury found a sheriff’s deputy guilty of second-degree manslaughter Wednesday in the fatal shooting of an unarmed suspect.

Robert Bates, who was a volunteer reserve sheriff deputy for the Tulsa County Sheriff’s Office last year at the time of the shooting, never denied shooting Eric Courtney Harris.

Bates, 74, said he meant to use his Taser stun gun, not his revolver, on the suspect, who had been tackled by other deputies and was being held on the ground.

The jury deliberated less than three hours and recommended Bates serve four years in prison, the maximum possible sentence. Preliminary sentencing is set for May 31. After the verdict, Bates was escorted out of the courtroom by two deputies from the department he once served."

Maybe the real browneye should go ta OK and spring this unlawfully convicted innocent person from jail.


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I'm a moron.
Re: Female cop grabs side arm instead of Taser... [Re: Fubarski] #16005400 04/18/21
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74 year old schit kicker's engaging in search and seizure makes about as much sense as soccer mom's policing the cities.


Originally Posted by CowboyTim
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Re: Female cop grabs side arm instead of Taser... [Re: Tarquin] #16005412 04/18/21
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By all accounts Bates was a wannabe cop who was a big donor to the former Sheriff. I think he got out due to medical reasons. New Sheriff is a good man.


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Re: Female cop grabs side arm instead of Taser... [Re: JoeBob] #16005432 04/18/21
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Originally Posted by JoeBob
Originally Posted by goalie
Originally Posted by deflave
I think not carrying one solves all kinds of problems.

That would require hiring LEOs that could actually prevail in a physical confrontation.

I'm not saying you're wrong (you're not), just making an observation.


It might would also require hiring LEOs who had to think a little harder of ways to avoid physical confrontations.

“Even in a contest between man and steer, the issue is not certain.”


If fitness standards returned to an emphasis on strength first, endurance second, and units always rolled up with two individuals instead of one (or worse yet four separate units with one cop each), we'd all be on our way to much better policing.

Not to mention most any less lethal and scenario based training today is about as effective as playing Cops and Robbers in the backyard with your kids.



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Originally Posted by EthanEdwards
By all accounts Bates was a wannabe cop who was a big donor to the former Sheriff. I think he got out due to medical reasons. New Sheriff is a good man.


At 74 years old he probably did the same thing in prison that he would have been doing at home.

Complaining and watching reruns of Matlock.


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Re: Female cop grabs side arm instead of Taser... [Re: deflave] #16005448 04/18/21
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Originally Posted by deflave
Originally Posted by JoeBob
Originally Posted by goalie
Originally Posted by deflave
I think not carrying one solves all kinds of problems.

That would require hiring LEOs that could actually prevail in a physical confrontation.

I'm not saying you're wrong (you're not), just making an observation.


It might would also require hiring LEOs who had to think a little harder of ways to avoid physical confrontations.

“Even in a contest between man and steer, the issue is not certain.”


If fitness standards returned to an emphasis on strength first, endurance second, and units always rolled up with two individuals instead of one (or worse yet four separate units with one cop each), we'd all be on our way to much better policing.

Not to mention most any less lethal and scenario based training today is about as effective as playing Cops and Robbers in the backyard with your kids.



Come on Dave,

That's way too much common sense for this day and age.


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Re: Female cop grabs side arm instead of Taser... [Re: deflave] #16005459 04/18/21
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Originally Posted by deflave
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I think not carrying one solves all kinds of problems.

Bring back nightsticks.


Or have a partner and don’t hesitate to grab the mother fugker.


Bingo.

Arm bars and leg sweeps can sometimes compel some folks that the cuffs are the easy route. Sometimes knees are needed for further encouragement.

But tasers are worthless 90% of the time.

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I'll tell you another HUGE problem that never gets brought up. It's these stupid ass fugkin Field Training Units (FTUs) and Field Training Officers (FTOs). That is NOT how you get a young cadet/trainee/recruit immersed into human interaction and problem solving.

You put that fugker with a different cop every week or every two weeks. And they take the lead on EVERY fugking call. 100%. You end up with a big stack of evaluations filled out by different personalities and different perspectives from all different scenarios at the end of a probationary period. That gives you a real picture of the potential of your (hopefully) long term employee.

I hate the idea of an FTU. Hate.


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I quit being an fto because A. The FTO's (lazy worthless sacks of garbage that shouldn't even be a cop let alone teaching a new one) B. The tard new hires.

The process is bullsheit and the liability isn't worth it (plus it's a lot a f ucking work to do it correctly)

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Originally Posted by Jackson_Handy


Bingo.

Arm bars and leg sweeps can sometimes compel some folks that the cuffs are the easy route. Sometimes knees are needed for further encouragement.

But tasers are worthless 90% of the time.


Techniques aside, how many situations do we see go bad simply because one of the officers doesn't have the strength to grab onto a grown man's arm and hang on to the grown man's arm?

All these departments and agencies sending their Less Lethal guys to Gracie schools and schit. I don't need an MMA champion with me. I need somebody strong enough to bear hug a grown man's ankles and keep him immobile for a few (long) seconds.


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