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When you're foolish enough to believe these chemicals will prevent a disease,which is 99.7% survivable and then get the shot,you will argue till the cows come home,that you're right and everyone else is wrong.


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Okay the claim is that over 1/2 of new Covid cases are previously vaccinated people. Lets try just a little logic. This means one of three things have to be true.

1: The vaccine has absolutely zero effect, and over 1/2 of the population has been vaccinated.

We know for a fact that neither of these things are true. As of Apr 23 the CDC says we are approaching 150 million vaccinated.

2: The vaccination actually causes you to get Covid. Again proven over and over again to be patently false.

Or 3: That article is more FAKE news.


1a. - You still can get the COVID virus after vaccination, but are basically asymptomatic. You will not get sick, wont get hospitalized, wont die. You will have the virus and be able to spread the virus.

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I had Covid and it wasnt any fun. I would like to not go through that again. I had no impact to my lungs or breathing. Next time I might. I am not an anti-vaccine guy for sure.

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Originally Posted by Oakster
Originally Posted by Idaho_Shooter
Okay the claim is that over 1/2 of new Covid cases are previously vaccinated people. Lets try just a little logic. This means one of three things have to be true.

1: The vaccine has absolutely zero effect, and over 1/2 of the population has been vaccinated.

We know for a fact that neither of these things are true. As of Apr 23 the CDC says we are approaching 150 million vaccinated.

2: The vaccination actually causes you to get Covid. Again proven over and over again to be patently false.

Or 3: That article is more FAKE news.


1a. - You still can get the COVID virus after vaccination, but are basically asymptomatic. You will not get sick, wont get hospitalized, wont die. You will have the virus and be able to spread the virus.

Such reports are vastly exaggerated, but it is somewhat true for a small percent of the vaccinated population....just like it is true of mumps, measles, pertussis, diphtheria and a host of other vaccines. But the vaccine sure as hell does not make you MORE susceptible to infection. And that is exactly what it would have to do to make the OP true.


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Originally Posted by Idaho_Shooter
But the vaccine sure as hell does not make you MORE susceptible to infection. And that is exactly what it would have to do to make the OP true.

Wrong.

That is exactly what non-matching antibody "shots" (this isn't a vaccine) do, make humans more susceptible to infection, because they force the active virus within the population to "mutate" away from the shot, and this creates more aggressive infectious strains that are also more deadly. This is proven old scientific knowledge, and "why" the Polio vaccine's design was changed.

This is also the very reason why you don't use a non-matching antibody shot, like the majority of CV19 shots are, while a virus is active within a population. You can use them after a virus is eliminated from a population, but not while active within a population.


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Originally Posted by ElkSlayer91
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But the vaccine sure as hell does not make you MORE susceptible to infection. And that is exactly what it would have to do to make the OP true.

Wrong.

That is exactly what non-matching antibody "shots" (this isn't a vaccine) do, make humans more susceptible to infection, because they force the active virus within the population to "mutate" away from the shot, and this creates more aggressive infectious strains that are also more deadly. This is proven old scientific knowledge, and "why" the Polio vaccine's design was changed.

This is also the very reason why you don't use a non-matching antibody shot, like the majority of CV19 shots are, while a virus is active within a population. You can use them after a virus is eliminated from a population, but not while active within a population.


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Originally Posted by ElkSlayer91
Originally Posted by Idaho_Shooter
But the vaccine sure as hell does not make you MORE susceptible to infection. And that is exactly what it would have to do to make the OP true.

Wrong.

That is exactly what non-matching antibody "shots" (this isn't a vaccine) do, make humans more susceptible to infection, because they force the active virus within the population to "mutate" away from the shot, and this creates more aggressive infectious strains that are also more deadly. This is proven old scientific knowledge, and "why" the Polio vaccine's design was changed.

This is also the very reason why you don't use a non-matching antibody shot, like the majority of CV19 shots are, while a virus is active within a population. You can use them after a virus is eliminated from a population, but not while active within a population.


Whatever you typically post, the reader would be wise to consider it well and know the truth to be diametrically opposed.


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Originally Posted by Idaho_Shooter
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But the vaccine sure as hell does not make you MORE susceptible to infection. And that is exactly what it would have to do to make the OP true.

Wrong.

That is exactly what non-matching antibody "shots" (this isn't a vaccine) do, make humans more susceptible to infection, because they force the active virus within the population to "mutate" away from the shot, and this creates more aggressive infectious strains that are also more deadly. This is proven old scientific knowledge, and "why" the Polio vaccine's design was changed.

This is also the very reason why you don't use a non-matching antibody shot, like the majority of CV19 shots are, while a virus is active within a population. You can use them after a virus is eliminated from a population, but not while active within a population.


Whatever you typically post, the reader would be wise to consider it well and know the truth to be diametrically opposed.

Yeah, you go girl.......what I just stated is "chronicled scientific acknowledged history".

Only an uneducated troll would attempt to refute past known scientific history.

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My wife was called into to work yesterday to cover for another PA who is down with a bad case of covid. They other PA got both of his covid shots in about February. That's 1 person I know for sure got the vaccine and later got covid.


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Originally Posted by Oakster
I had Covid and it wasnt any fun. I would like to not go through that again. I had no impact to my lungs or breathing. Next time I might. I am not an anti-vaccine guy for sure.

Your body probably has better defense after having had the virus than any vaccine could provide.


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My wife was called into to work yesterday to cover for another PA who is down with a bad case of covid. They other PA got both of his covid shots in about February. That's 1 person I know for sure got the vaccine and later got covid.


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Yes, they always told us it was no more than 95% effective.

Unfortunately, there is no way to know if her symptoms have been decreased because of vaccination history.


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Originally Posted by JakeBlues
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I had Covid and it wasnt any fun. I would like to not go through that again. I had no impact to my lungs or breathing. Next time I might. I am not an anti-vaccine guy for sure.

Your body probably has better defense after having had the virus than any vaccine could provide.

Of course.

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Originally Posted by Oakster
Originally Posted by Idaho_Shooter
Okay the claim is that over 1/2 of new Covid cases are previously vaccinated people. Lets try just a little logic. This means one of three things have to be true.

1: The vaccine has absolutely zero effect, and over 1/2 of the population has been vaccinated.

We know for a fact that neither of these things are true. As of Apr 23 the CDC says we are approaching 150 million vaccinated.

2: The vaccination actually causes you to get Covid. Again proven over and over again to be patently false.

Or 3: That article is more FAKE news.


1a. - You still can get the COVID virus after vaccination, but are basically asymptomatic. You will not get sick, wont get hospitalized, wont die. You will have the virus and be able to spread the virus.


My aunt and uncle were complete with the Pfizer vaccine 1st wk of Feb. They went to a large family gathering for Easter and both ended up testing positive again. My aunt ended up in the Hospital for 2 days. I would consider my aunt "high-risk". Mid-70's, smoked for ~30yrs (quit ~20yrs ago), plump and asthmatic. Uncle fared much better, still had flu-like symptoms for a few days, he's the same age but in excellent physical condition.

I'm not anti-Vax just putting out info I have on the subject. I do realize that a "study" with an N = 2 isn't statistically significant to anyone, anywhere, for any reason. Just for myself, until there's a direct benefit to me, I'll probably not get the vaccine. If they tell me, get the shot and no more masks, I'm in. If for some reason every member of the household has to have a vaccination before kids can go back to school next fall, we'll get the shots.


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Lots of numbers and stories floating around. If you are one who has had the shot you will probably be looking over your shoulder for years to come.

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Originally Posted by Oakster
I had Covid and it wasnt any fun. I would like to not go through that again. I had no impact to my lungs or breathing. Next time I might. I am not an anti-vaccine guy for sure.


I concur. Put me on oxygen though... here's hoping immunity lasts for awhile.

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Originally Posted by dogcatcher223
Originally Posted by Oakster
I had Covid and it wasnt any fun. I would like to not go through that again. I had no impact to my lungs or breathing. Next time I might. I am not an anti-vaccine guy for sure.


I concur. Put me on oxygen though... here's hoping immunity lasts for awhile.


Why would natural immunity not last?



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Originally Posted by jwp475
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I had Covid and it wasnt any fun. I would like to not go through that again. I had no impact to my lungs or breathing. Next time I might. I am not an anti-vaccine guy for sure.


I concur. Put me on oxygen though... here's hoping immunity lasts for awhile.


Why would natural immunity not last?

It does, and for a very long time. Once you have it, you are even immune to mutated forms, which are typically 98% or better identical to the form you're immune to. Natural immunity is also immunity to mutated forms, in other words.

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Originally Posted by The_Real_Hawkeye
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Originally Posted by dogcatcher223
Originally Posted by Oakster
I had Covid and it wasnt any fun. I would like to not go through that again. I had no impact to my lungs or breathing. Next time I might. I am not an anti-vaccine guy for sure.


I concur. Put me on oxygen though... here's hoping immunity lasts for awhile.


Why would natural immunity not last?

It does, and for a very long time. Once you have it, you are even immune to mutated forms, which are typically 98% or better identical to the form you're immune to. Natural immunity is also immunity to mutated forms, in other words.
When was the last you had long lasting immunity to a cold virus ? There have already been numerous cases of people having covid 19 more than once. Immunity after infection seems to last 4-8 months.

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