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What kind of "ferver" do you vaxxer's use to push your narrative? Bow to Biden and his corrupt cronies like Fauci?

+1. Those of us who lost otherwise perfectly healthy people to C-19 know the devastation, as random as it may be.
Was it enough to justify all that has happened? No, I don't believe so. But regardless, many were/are deeply affected by loss of loved ones and virus long haulers. It is a serious disease, 'flu' wouldn't be wiping out India right now.

First, the common cold is not "a virus". It is a multitude of different viruses, each with similar symptoms upon infection. A vaccine would have to be developed against each separate virus.

Many, many viruses have been nearly or completely eliminated across the developed world by vaccination.

Even though it is widely recognized that the Covid has mutated into several varieties. Each of those varieties still has the S spike protein which is targeted by the most popular Covid vaccines.

The more the Covid disease is allowed to spread and propagate within the population, the more likely that further mutations will occur. The only way to stop mutations of the virus, is to stop transmission and replication of the virus.

The vaccines are well proven to stop transmission, in 95% of recipients.

Ironic.

Both sides have the same ideological zeal.
Closed minded, entrenched, no way they could possibly be slightly wrong.


Reading this, I actually got confused which side some are on.
Their posts were ideological, not factual enough to decide which
way they swing.

Covid-19 is a coronavirus, the same type as the common cold.

You are not getting rid of it, and people need to realize that and go on with life, not cower in fear while getting "booster" immunization shots every few months.

Hunh?

Coming from a science guy on the front lines of covid. Every healthcare worker I know has the same response from the beginning

The refusal to accept liberal talking point propaganda as "science", is denying facts, to a moron like I_poofer.

The same "fervor" that I used to get my entire family vaccinated against Tetanus after we all touched and handled a horse to get him loaded into the trailer. And then that horse died the next day from Tetanus.

I have no problem with people who wish for some religious or other moral reason to not take this or any other vaccination.

We have a large local community of "Followers of Christ" who abhor any medical intervention. They believe it is a sin for Man to circumvent God's Will.

There is a local cemetery filled with the graves of infants, toddlers, children, teenagers and young adults who died from maladies easily cured by modern medicine. I went through school with one male who died in his late teens from appendicitis. Another young man, a close neighbor and workmate, father of two, laid in his bed for over eight weeks and eventually died of peritonitis from a gut issue which could have been easily repaired.

Hell when TEOTWAWKI comes, this group may be the only ones tough enough to stand against the plagues and starvation.

But these people are making informed decisions. They well know the consequences of their decisions.

What I object to concerning the Covid vaccine discussion is the propagation of half truths, gross exaggerations, and outright lies concerning the efficacy and immediate side effects of the vaccine.

Yep. Take the vaccine or don't take it, I don't care. Read sources you trust and make your own choice of whether you want it or not. The ones wearing thin are the zealots on both sides who are spouting BS repeatedly. One particularly annoying tactic of the left is that "you're selfish if you don't take the vaccine" or those not vaccinated are somehow endangering others and need to be locked out of society. That's garbage, if you're afraid of Covid then get vaccinated, live in a bubble, or both, it's not someone else's responsibility to protect your health. The idea of a vaccine passport needs to be squashed right now or it's going to get a foothold and leftists are going to demand compliance documents for all their pet issues, not just this vaccine.



Yep. There's more than ample stupidity going around on both sides of this issue and they all seem to think if they should enough made up pseudoscience loud enough then everybody will magically fall in line. There's plenty evidence of that on the anti-vax threads here.

SARS-CoV-1 seems to be pretty well eliminated. So does MERS-CoV. We managed that through quarantine and isolation. Why should we not be able to also eradicate SARS-Cov-2 since we now have the additional tool of the vaccine?

Well, considering that the CDC lied about masks because they were worried about being caught without enough for health care workers, and that CDC and local .gov officials have implemented ridiculous measures to "fight" covid (WalMart is safe, but not church etc...) is it surprising that there is a lack of trust?

Then add in the billions of dollars in fines paid by the companies making vaccines for falsifying trial data in the past.

Pretty soon, people start getting paranoid.

In the end, the main reason to avoid getting one of these vaccines isn't because there's any data that shows they are dangerous, but because there isn't any data showing that they're safe.

mRNA tech isn't new, and there are reasons why it isn't in widespread use. It may very well be effective at reducing severity of symptoms and transmission rates, but it may also create long-term immune system issues.

With the treatments we have, and data we have, IMO, the idea of injecting anyone under 50 that isn't high risk seems very suspect.

Logic time:. Remember when we shut everything down to get rid of SARS and MERS????

Oh, wait, we didn't......

Go girl

Then you’ve made up your mind not to take it. Good, that’s your choice. FWIW I haven’t taken it either.

Everybody has to decide if the risks outweigh the rewards. In my case I’ve had Covid and after discussing it with my doctor two days ago I’ve decided the natural immunity is probably good enough for now. If I hadn’t already had Covid I’d probably get vaccinated.

The argument that you can’t prove they’re safe doesn’t wash though. You’re asking for a guarantee that’s impossible to reach. Toyota can’t prove my truck is safe either, all you can do is establish a reasonable expectation and go with it. I’ve known four people that have died of Covid, that’s enough for me to say that the risks from the disease outweigh concerns over the safety of the shots. That argument sounds a lot like the anti gunner argument that if you can’t guarantee no one will use a gun for criminal purposes then we should outlaw all guns. Ideologically it’s the same argument and it’s BS in either case, no one can guarantee your complete safety.

Sounds good in theory, until a stranger on the Internet, who you’ll never meet in person, has no medical training or education beyond what they learned on Google, believes only what they read that aligns with their feelings, suggests you do otherwise.

We will never know the truth.

I had it, it wasn’t bad for me. I had/have antibodies.

And the risk for kids is like 0.0001% in the first place?

I hope all you scum play Russian Roulette with the dimocommie gun.

Your buds in the MSM push that and open borders. Please explain the benefit of taking in immigrants with your dreaded Chinese flu and drug resistant TB.

Well, well you could still get contaminated from someone and give it to some innocent.

What about other countries?