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Is there anywhere in the New Testament that we, as parents, are told to treat our own children differently than we would any other Christian or non-Christian person...?
Any thoughts on Paul’s advice to treat our children with gentleness because it helps them stay responsive to instruction and correction...?
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Is there anywhere in the New Testament that we, as parents, are told to treat our own children differently than we would any other Christian or non-Christian person...?
Any thoughts on Paul’s advice to treat our children with gentleness because it helps them stay responsive to instruction and correction...?
Good question friend.
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Thanks good folks for the replies.
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Any thoughts on Paul’s advice to treat our children with gentleness because it helps them stay responsive to instruction and correction...?
That’s the difference between discipline (being your child’s disciple) and punishment. Conversely, one can let the school whack their asses. YMMV.
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Is there anywhere in the New Testament that we, as parents, are told to treat our own children differently than we would any other Christian or non-Christian person...?
Any thoughts on Paul’s advice to treat our children with gentleness because it helps them stay responsive to instruction and correction...? That’s the difference between discipline (being your child’s disciple) and punishment. Certain New Testament passages tell us a list of characteristics that should be part of following Jesus, and none of em’ endorse the idea of Jesus followers striking another in discipline...why does that change when it comes to our own children...? How is striking a disobedient child forgiving and letting the peace of God rule your heart...? Is there any New Testament indication that there’s a fundamental difference in the relationship between parents and their own children, and that between parents and anyone else...?
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Is there anywhere in the New Testament that we, as parents, are told to treat our own children differently than we would any other Christian or non-Christian person...?
Any thoughts on Paul’s advice to treat our children with gentleness because it helps them stay responsive to instruction and correction...? That’s the difference between discipline (being your child’s disciple) and punishment. Certain New Testament passages tell us a list of characteristics that should be part of following Jesus, and none of em’ endorse the idea of Jesus followers striking one another in discipline...why does that change when it comes to our own children...? How is striking a disobedient child forgiving and letting the peace of God rule your heart...? Is there any New Testament indication that there’s a fundamental difference in the relationship between parents and their own children, and that between parents and anyone else...? I can honestly say I never spanked my kids. Never needed to. Their friends did not believe them. Maybe I’m just “lucky”.
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I can honestly say I never spanked my kids. Never needed to. Their friends did not believe them. Maybe I’m just “lucky”. I believe ya’. It likely had more to do with you and the good job you did than anything else.
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I can honestly say I never spanked my kids. Never needed to. Their friends did not believe them. Maybe I’m just “lucky”. I believe ya’. It likely had more to do with you and the good job you did than anything else. Thanks. I like to believe that, and that we were disciples for them.
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Is that the one where we're not supposed to bear witness against a proven liar and thief who used treachery and invoked the Lord's name to fleece members of His flock for his own evil, greedy gain? Help me out. My bible studies are pretty rusty...
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Is there anywhere in the New Testament that we, as parents, are told to treat our own children differently than we would any other Christian or non-Christian person...?
Any thoughts on Paul’s advice to treat our children with gentleness because it helps them stay responsive to instruction and correction...?
I believe Jesus is our example here. There were times mentioned in the Bible that he admonished the disciples in a harsh way. Matthew 16:23 But he turned, and said unto Peter, Get thee behind me, Satan: thou art an offence unto me: for thou savourest not the things that be of God, but those that be of men. This was not a physical beating but it was done to get Peter back in line, so to speak. As adults if we break the law there are consequences, such as fines and prison. As a "civilized" nation we don't beat those people but they are and do need to be punished. I think we can all agree that in slacking up in this area we have created a terrible problem. So as far as punishing children with a paddling. I can look back in my own life and getting that done when I had done wrong and it even took place at school. It hurt my pride more than anything. I did learn to listen though and respect authority and the law. Now look at us today. Never spank a child doesn't seem to be working out so well. When these kids grow up they want to keep doing what they did as children. I truly believe a good swat does more good than time out. It's immediate and has an instant affect. God admonishes us in love and we should do the same with our kids.
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Is that the one where we're not supposed to bear witness against a proven liar and thief who used treachery and invoked the Lord's name to fleece members of His flock for his own evil, greedy gain? Help me out. My bible studies are pretty rusty... I am not familiar with the commandment not to ...”bear witness against a proven liar....” Help me out here.....
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So...there is no New Testament imperative where followers of Jesus are told to treat their own children differently than they would treat any other Christian or non-Christian person. Even those to whom they have authority over, and even to those who need to be admonished or disciplined or punished.
Yet a lotta Christians treat their own children profoundly differently than they do other people...children or adults, Christians or not...even if they are in authority over these other people. And maybe not in a good way. Even though there is no New Testament imperative to do so.
Should Christians treat their own children as they would treat any other Christian or non-Christian person they were in authority over...? Or should Christians treat their own children profoundly differently than they would treat any other Christian or non-Christian person they were in authority over...?
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So...there is no New Testament imperative where followers of Jesus are told to treat their own children differently than they would treat any other Christian or non-Christian person. Even those to whom they have authority over, and even to those who need to be admonished or disciplined or punished.
Yet a lotta Christians treat their own children profoundly differently than they do other people...children or adults, Christians or not...even if they are in authority over these other people. And maybe not in a good way. Even though there is no New Testament imperative to do so.
Should Christians treat their own children as they would treat any other Christian or non-Christian person they were in authority over...? Or should Christians treat their own children profoundly differently than they would treat any other Christian or non-Christian person they were in authority over...?
So are you saying not to give your kids a spanking?
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So are you saying not to give your kids a spanking? I’m asking why...since there’s clearly no New Testament imperative to do so...why do some Christians treat their own children differently than they treat any other Christian or non-Christian person...? I’m asking why...since there’s clearly no New Testament imperative to do so...why do some Christians treat their own children differently than they treat any other Christian or non-Christian person whom they have authority over...? I’m asking why...since there’s clearly no New Testament imperative to do so...why do some Christians choose to strike their own children who need to be admonished or disciplined or punished when they clearly wouldn’t think of striking any other Christian or non-Christian person who needs to be admonished or disciplined or punished...?
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So are you saying not to give your kids a spanking? I’m asking why...since there’s clearly no New Testament imperative to do so...why do some Christians treat their own children differently than they treat any other Christian or non-Christian person...? I’m asking why...since there’s clearly no New Testament imperative to do so...why do some Christians treat their own children differently than they treat any other Christian or non-Christian person whom they have authority over...? I’m asking why...since there’s clearly no New Testament imperative to do so...why do some Christians choose to strike their own children who need to be admonished or disciplined or punished when they clearly wouldn’t think of striking any other Christian or non-Christian person who needs to be admonished or disciplined or punished...? Okay. Not everything we should or should not do is told to us in the New Testament. It doesn't specifically tell you to not use heroine does it? There are plenty of scriptures you can read that would cause you to see that it's not the thing to do though. And not all of the Old Testament was done away with as far as a guide for living. Some we still apply today such as capital punishment for murder, though not so much anymore. Also we are not nearly as responsible for grown ups not under our own roof as we are our children or grandchildren. Did Jesus do away with to spare the rod it to ruin the child? Also there is a big difference between striking someone not of you own household as compared to swatting your kids butt. As adults we have laws, courts and a punishment system in place that takes care of that group. It's up to the parents to handle that in the home, as it should be. A spanking is a quick way to take care of that and move on with life, I think.
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The New Testament does tell us that a Christian leader should “manage his own family well and see that his children obey him, and to do so in a manner worthy of full respect. (If anyone doesn’t know how to manage his own family, how can he take care of those in the congregation...?” If a Christian “manages his own family” by striking his own children, but he’s not allowed to strike other people who are in the congregation, then is the ‘witness’ of his well-behaved children false...? Why would the New Testament tell us to look to how a father treats his own children to see how he will lead the congregation if God intended Christian fathers to use a completely different system of discipline with their own children than they would with the rest of the congregation...?
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The New Testament does tell us that a Christian leader should “manage his own family well and see that his children obey him, and to do so in a manner worthy of full respect. (If anyone doesn’t know how to manage his own family, how can he take care of those in the congregation...?” If a Christian “manages his own family” by striking his own children, but he’s not allowed to strike other people who are in the congregation, then is the ‘witness’ of his well-behaved children false...? Why would the New Testament tell us to look to how a father treats his own children to see how he will lead the congregation if God intended Christian fathers to use a completely different system of discipline with their own children than they would with the rest of the congregation...? Can't answer any of what you ask and better than I already have. You haven't managed to change my mind though.
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