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Good point!

Hey Rick!!! It is times like this i am glad I am not you!!!Stay the course brother.

Rick, I wasn't referring to the Pope in my message. I was instead thinking of those at CATC who would dare to say that someone else was going to hell. I don't believe the Pope said that.

If you promise not to tell anyone, I will admit to having a rosary and praying it sometimes. And no, I'm not Catholic.

Penny

Exactly, hence my disdain towards organized religion as a whole.

I know what you mean,Box . I ain't a member of an organized religion -- I'm a Baptist !

I always had some trouble with that. It's suppose to represent death and rebirth. I probably mis spoke in an earlier post in saying that I believe total emersion is required. I believe that baptism is necessary as an act or show of faith as required by Christ him self.
What brought the question to mind originally was when I saw my grand father baptized into his primitive Baptist church. I remember the discussions among the adults about the necessity of total emersion. It could have been bad because he had his larynx removed some years before and he had a hole in his throat. I thought, why is so important when it endangers someone, wouldn't water over his head suffice. He was baptized by total emersion and it worked out ok, but still...

Hey, how many 14 year old kids see grandpa babtized?

Thinkin' He was hungry and a little out of sorts? Could be.....could be.

Penny:

I know who you were quoting, and I just had to correct it again for fear that disinformation would again spread.

The Pope did NOT say all non-Catholics are going to hell!

Nice to hear about the Rosary. Didn't hurt a bit, did it?

rb

Rick, I actually carry my roasry everywhere, it is always in the truck with me, guess i would feel a bit uncomfortable without it. My daughter is getting to be the same way. Les

It is deep discussions like this that finds me asking an important question:

What would Stick say??


Probably couldnt repeat it here

Please note that not everyone there stated you were wrong. I remember stating I do not believe as you do but I do not judge you. That is NOT my job; it is up to the Lord to judge each and every one of us. Not all non-Mormons hate or condemn you.

Which is why I voted against the creation of CATC back in September of 2002! I am simply unable to excise my love for Jesus from my everyday conversation--it's part of me, deal with it.

I enjoyed reading there, but it's gone. Oh well.

Penny
This crazy Spirit filled tongues speaking lunatic follower of Jesus has a Rosary and has used it and often uses Centering Prayer too.

Bash away all who think any or any of the above condemns me to the lake of fire, I choose to be judged by a higher authority.

An interesting experience. A different kind of prayer (for me), but a spiritual and valid prayer just the same.

I can pray in the manner of a number of different denominations; I guess that's not a surprise for a language teacher.

A funny story is that one year during Lent the Newman Community (Catholic student group) on my campus decided to get together at noon and spend an hour praying the rosary together out loud. I went and joined them, and during the first iteration of "Our Father," they all stopped at "...and deliver us from evil." I kept on going.

The one non-Catholic in the room had been "outed!"

Another funny story happened when I was about 7 years old. My family subscribed to "Life" magazine every week. During that time, the covers were mostly in black and white... but one week a new Pope had been named (Pope Paul??? It would have been about 1954 or so). "Life" magazine arrived with a beautiful full-color picture of the Pope on the cover. I took a look at the framed black and white picture of my father on one of the end tables in the living room, and went and took a pair of scissors, cut the cover off of "Life," and slipped the Pope's picture into the frame over my father's picture.

My mother came into the room and almost fainted. "Penny, take that picture out right away!" she ordered. "Someone might come to the door and think we're Catholic."

I didn't understand why that would be such a bad thing back then, and I still don't.

And my third (final) story. When I was a freshman in college, my Mother underwent surgery for removal of an ovarian cyst (which also resulted in her having a hysterectomy). At the time I didn't really understand the details of the surgery, just that she was far away from me and I loved her very much, and I couldn't imagine what I would do if she didn't make it through the surgery.

I felt a need to go somewhere and ask God, from the bottom of my heart, to please make sure she came through it all right. So from among about 6 churches in town, I went to the Catholic church. I was able to kneel, which I really wanted to do, and I just KNEW that God was in that church. I could kneel and clasp my hands and close my eyes and just stay that way for the longest time... and it felt very right.

So there you have my stories: the rosary flub, the Pope's framed picture in our living room, and knowing beyond a doubt that God was in the Catholic church and would listen to me when I prayed.

Penny

It's blatantly obvious it was raptured... apparently all the religious whiners left behind didn't make the cut and will live to argue another day.

There's plenty of room on the optics forum for more so inclined...

God will listen to anyone, no matter who you hang around.

I didn't know that then. I wanted to give authority to my prayers... it's hard to explain. I just knew that I would be able to pray "right" if I did it in the Catholic church, and that God would be there.

Penny

God listens to all that talk to him, I don't care who you are. Ya gotta understand, my Grandmother is Mennonite, I am Catholic like my parents, I have relatives that got to the Church of Christ, my daughter was baptised in a Baptist Church, and I truly had a great time when I went to Church with Boggy. God doesn't care where you are when you talk to him, JUST THAT YOU DO IT! Les

I understand Penny, and it is obvious you do also. It is sad to watch so many people struggle with the fact that God is there for them but they think they need an interpreter to communicate with him.

I have felt a leading to go down there and evangelize.............upon more reflection, I think I'll just go to bed.