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20ga. As an all around goose to squirrel cartrdge. It pushes the same pellets at the same velocities as the 12. Lighter guns, lighter ammo, lighter recoil. The only downside is fewer pellets which is easily offset getting the right choke/load to pattern well.
Bore size is no substitute for shot placement and Power is no substitute for bullet performance. 458WIN
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I have a few 20 ga shotguns that are light. Great to carry but in terms of recoil they are not lighter recoiling than my 12 gauges. Great to carry all day.
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More than not. Its the gun that creates a preference. No one's going to dump their prized Colt Diamond Back because the 38spl is under powered. Or rebarrel their KS Custom Model 7 they waited a year for from the Remington shop because yesteryears twist won't play with todays bullets.
I wonder how many K98 sporters would be still be in 8mm if shelves had more bullets than reamers?
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Early, can't argue with that. What's the M94 chambered in? Who cares as long at is sufficient, it's the package that's appealing and effective.
Then again, there are engine guys and chassis guys. So I guess it depends which one you are.
Bore size is no substitute for shot placement and Power is no substitute for bullet performance. 458WIN
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Then there's the age old saying: "D's" and "E's" because you can't motor boat "A's" and "B's"
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I prefer classic. Semper Fi I used to run with the hare. Now I'm envious of the tortoise and I do my own stunts but rarely intentionally
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A 20 gauge is my favorite all around shotgun gauge but maybe it wouldn’t be if I had a 16 built on a 20 gauge frame. 20’s are a great all around gauge and handle so much better than comparable 12’s. A 12 really only shines as a waterfowl gun IMO and to some degree Turkey.
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NAGW, but what won’t a 7mm-08 Remington do if properly loaded?
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30/30...simple, modest velocities and effective
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OGB is wrong but the 410 pushes the same pellets. 410 & 12 have 000 buck
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22LR, and then the 22LR 9 more times.
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30/30...simple, modest velocities and effective If you look at the thread " 10 most perfect cartridges" you find the 30-30 mentioned quite a bit so I'm not sure it's underrated. I probably underrate it because I play 'long' ball and not 'short' ball. ATST - for guys who hunt woods & thickets with no open terrain it's ALL they need. Jerry
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A 12 really only shines as a waterfowl gun IMO and to some degree Turkey. And predators, though a 20 might work well too if loaded with larger sizes of TSS. Unfortunately at present TSS costs an arm, a leg and a testicle so I'll stick with a 12 for waterfowl and predators.
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The one most underrated cartridge is the 8x57. It will do anything a 30-06 will do but is hampered by meager bullet selection and loaded to lackluster velocities because somebody might still be shooting a pre war (WWI) rifle with the wrong bore size.
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22 magnum\40g Win HP
243 Winchester=95-100g partition, 80g ttsx, 105g Hornady bthp
6.5x55- Modern action=pick any bullet weight
7/08=160-162g
280 Remington-180g eldm
338/06-PICK
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The one most underrated cartridge is the 8x57. It will do anything a 30-06 will do but is hampered by meager bullet selection and loaded to lackluster velocities because somebody might still be shooting a pre war (WWI) rifle with the wrong bore size. I have mentioned this before, but will again: The 8x57 is great round, but the variations in groove diameter, older actions, etc., prevent factory ammo from equaling .30-06 ammo in pressures and hence velocities--at least in the U.S. I have chronographed 170-grain factory ammo from more than one American maker, and the real-world muzzle velocity just about matches Winchester's .32 Special. There's nothing wrong with the .32 Special--I've owned two, a Winchester 94 and Marlin 336--but the .32 Special is NOT equivalent to the .30-06. If easily available, "modern" factory ammo isn't available, then any cartridge is severely handicapped on the market,. This is exactly why the .30-06 tends to be more popular than the variations of the 8x57, even in Europe. I have hunted in several European countries with dozens of local hunters, and have seen exactly one 8x57 used by my hunting companions. The most popular round (again in several European countries) has been the .308 Winchester, because more than one European country is a member of the North American Treaty Organization (NATO), which standardized on the 7.62x51mm NATO (.308) decades ago. Thus the popularity of the .308, even in Scandinavian countries where the 6.5x55 is supposedly so popular. The 8x57 is a fine round. I own three rifles chambered for 8x57 variations, including the rimmed version, so obviously like ti a lot. But it ain't perfect.
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In this day and age, many of the older cartridges are slowly drifting into the underrated because the younger folks know nothing about them and think that because they are old, they aren't any good.
Examples: .22 hi power .222 .250 .257 bob .284 .300 sav .303 sav .32-40 .35 rem
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I'll add the 358 Win. to the list.
Start young, hunt hard, and enjoy God's bounty.
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In this day and age, many of the older cartridges are slowly drifting into the underrated because the younger folks know nothing about them and think that because they are old, they aren't any good.
Examples: .22 hi power .222 .250 .257 bob .284 .300 sav .303 sav .32-40 .35 rem I have owned and hunted with rifles in all those chamberings. As a matter of fact own TWO rifles in .222 Remington and .257 Roberts right now.. They all work--but once again IF reasonably priced factory ammo isn't available, then ANY round is not going to be popular. Why would it be, if far more available rifles/cartridges will do the same things? I also don't believe that younger shooters believe that because because those cartridges are "they aren't any good." I don't think younger shooters think about those cartridges at all--with good reason. There are newer cartridges and far more available cartridges that are just as good. So why dink around with all those older rounds, unless that simply what geezers (like me, and I would guess you) like to do? Espciaily when so-called "shortages" (actually buying pancs) have been occurring regularly over the past quarter centrury.
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Because we can...... It's an illness..... I think I'll identify as a .300 Savage.
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