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My grandparents in Bristol VA in 1956 were on an all renewable farm [except for kerosene lamps].
An old man plowing the field with two work horses.
An old woman milking 7 cows and cooking on a wood stove.
No electricity and no plumbing.
I was 5 and put to work hoeing the tobacco patch, the cash crop.
The evening meal was always coleslaw and cold beans.
If liberals were sent to renewable lifestyle farm for one week, all that work would change their mind about renewables. Nope cow farts are bad for the environment and wood burning is super bad. Have to ban those too. Once AOC tears down your home and let’s you rebuild a grass hut with no styrofoam insulation and no trees, or animal byproducts you won’t be able to use natural gas, wood, or coal to heat it either. Just a grass hut with a solar panel but it’s going to be pure bliss AOC says so. Now quit being a racist, transgender phobic, eco terrorist. White man bad!
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There's probably a nugget of truth in there, but mostly by sheer luck.
The future? Follow the money. If'n'when it's cheaper, it wins.
Right now, solar is the cheapest, and still getting cheaper at 3% per year. It's going to win, we're just arguing about when.
Right now, lithium-ion is the practical champ -- but it's expensive, and not all that easy to work with. Several different solid state battery options are being touted, some of which have a 1 minute charge time. Think that would ease range anxiety a bit?
Right now everyone has their car, because that's what they want. It's always there, there are very reasonably priced options. You really think your wife is going to get into some public conveyance smelling like a subway on Sunday morning to go to church? Not happening, not ever. Owning a car, especially if it's even cheaper than it is now, will remain the standard.
Medicine, right now, is consuming 20% of our GDP. That simply is too far out of whack, and telehealth and other computer driven protocols will have a huge influence. Realistically, docs are bound hand and foot by rules, from insurance, from "standard of care", from government.
Law -- nobody cares if a bunch of lawyers lose their jobs. Until they need one.
Autonomous cars will rule. Send the car to pick little Johnny up from school and take him to soccer practice, and then home, and little Jane to piano practice. Mommy can stay on the porch drinking gin-and-tonics with her bridge club. The biggest problem will be increased urban sprawl: a two hour commute is not as big a deal when you can crawl in your bed and sleep on the way to and from work. Go to hunting camp? The truck drives while you sleep comfortably in the bed in the back.
Damn dude, sometimes you make too much sense.  PS, what the heck is your buddy over this way building? A giant earthen pond? Settling basin for solids? Oh, and we saw a baldy heading towards his operation this morning on our way to the dog show. Right over his place on 139.
The desert is a true treasure for him who seeks refuge from men and the evil of men.
In it is contentment
In it is death and all you seek
(Quoted from "The Bleeding of the Stone" Ibrahim Al-Koni)
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All powered by unicorn farts and bullshit...right up 'til battery technology makes a major leap in which case some of that will be feasible.
...except the lawyer bit, those pricks are like cockroaches and will survive everything.
These are my opinions, feel free to disagree.
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We will be using 1800 technology before this year is up. Think EMP.
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U.S. vehicle registration statistics for 2020 show almost 287 million vehicles in operation. Got to wonder how much extra strain it would be on power grids along with all other power demands if even half were plugged in recharging on a regular daily basis...
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I built a stand alone solar house for a client a couple of years ago
If I ever build my dream home it will be stand alone solar for so many reasons, but mostly because it will be the cheapest in the long run.
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Top six countries with the largest lithium reserves in the world
1. Bolivia – 21 million tonnes
2. Argentina – 17 million tonnes
3. Chile – 9 million tonnes
4. United States – 6.8 million tonnes
5. Australia – 6.3 million tonnes
6. China – 4.5 million tonnes
It was 1991 when Sony and Asahi Kasei released the first commercial lithium-ion battery.
What's next for new battery development that we don't even know about today?
Padded VA Hospital Rooms for $1000 Alex My ignoree,s will never be Rock Stars on 24 hr campfire.....Like me!!!! What are psychotic puppet hunters?
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How long does it take to quick charge an EV battery?
Miles of range per 15 minutes of Supercharging
Model 3 175 miles
Model S 163 miles
Model X 142 miles
Model Y 158 miles
Padded VA Hospital Rooms for $1000 Alex My ignoree,s will never be Rock Stars on 24 hr campfire.....Like me!!!! What are psychotic puppet hunters?
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8. Coal industries will go away. Gasoline/oil companies will go away Drilling for oil will stop. So say goodbye to OPEC! The middle-east is in trouble. Although natural gas power plants seem to be gaining popularity the drilling of oil isn't going away for a host of logical reasons. Less dependency on OPEC nations, yes but 'going away', notta chance. What's referred to as 'green power' sources may provide 20 to 25% of our power needs in the far distant future.
Padded VA Hospital Rooms for $1000 Alex My ignoree,s will never be Rock Stars on 24 hr campfire.....Like me!!!! What are psychotic puppet hunters?
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I can just see it now, major sea battle with carrier wallowing and the xo screaming over the line "has anyone got a fucking AAA".
These are my opinions, feel free to disagree.
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We all know how socialism ends.
The only thing worse than a liberal is a liberal that thinks they're a conservative.
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The Green new Deal is an off switch for America.
Don't blame me. I voted for Trump.
Democrats would burn this country to the ground, if they could rule over the ashes.
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Right now, there is just absolutely no freakin way of making and using reliable electricity from wind or solar on a large scale.
Harvesting isn’t the problem, storage and transporting it to where it’s needed are.
Someday, some egghead nerd may solve these problems, but right now the technology to reliably store electricity (because the sun ain’t always shining and the wind ain’t constant) and get it to the consumer simply doesn’t exist
Not to mention ‘snake’s thought about an EMP putting us literally into the dark ages. With the grid as it is, a large solar flare could do it, let alone China.
7mm
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Much of this is very doable and a lot of it well in progress by degrees.
The can’t parts of it will just have to play out over time.
The degree of my privacy is no business of yours.
What we've learned from history is that we haven't learned from it.
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Top six countries with the largest lithium reserves in the world
1. Bolivia – 21 million tonnes
2. Argentina – 17 million tonnes
3. Chile – 9 million tonnes
4. United States – 6.8 million tonnes
5. Australia – 6.3 million tonnes
6. China – 4.5 million tonnes
It was 1991 when Sony and Asahi Kasei released the first commercial lithium-ion battery.
What's next for new battery development that we don't even know about today?
Actually, the schidthole of creation, Afghanistan, is poised to become the largest lithium producer in the world, except for the fact there is no rail, and the likelihood of getting one built is beyond difficult. And we wonder why we were keeping a military presence in the 'Stan'? It's not to protect the poppy industry I suspect. It's to keep China from occupying, follow the goddam money, every single time. But, I say, have at it Chinks, occupy the graveyard of empires. By the time they develop the lithium production, quick charge, solid state, non-flammable batteries will be developed. Some smart people say IBM research division is almost there already.
Well this is a fine pickle we're in, should'a listened to Joe McCarthy and George Orwell I guess.
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Top six countries with the largest lithium reserves in the world
1. Bolivia – 21 million tonnes
2. Argentina – 17 million tonnes
3. Chile – 9 million tonnes
4. United States – 6.8 million tonnes
5. Australia – 6.3 million tonnes
6. China – 4.5 million tonnes
It was 1991 when Sony and Asahi Kasei released the first commercial lithium-ion battery.
What's next for new battery development that we don't even know about today?
Actually, the schidthole of creation, Afghanistan, is poised to become the largest lithium producer in the world, except for the fact there is no rail, and the likelihood of getting one built is beyond difficult. And we wonder why we were keeping a military presence in the 'Stan'? It's not to protect the poppy industry I suspect. It's to keep China from occupying, follow the goddam money, every single time. But, I say, have at it Chinks, occupy the graveyard of empires. By the time they develop the lithium production, quick charge, solid state, non-flammable batteries will be developed. Some smart people say IBM research division is almost there already. IBM has been on that for a while now. This was alluded to in a financial newsletter that I used to receive online.
The degree of my privacy is no business of yours.
What we've learned from history is that we haven't learned from it.
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One giant problem. China controls 90% of all the rare earth minerals required to make these electrical products. China played the long game and is now influencing our politicians and media to push for the rest of the world to swap to electric. Meanwhile, they emit more CO2 than all the other developed nations combined. This. We had it in Afghanistan but instead we are bailing out. It will be China's in the next 10 years. We are so fuggin dumb. kwg
For liberals and anarchists, power and control is opium, selling envy is the fastest and easiest way to get it. TRR. American conservative. Never trust a white liberal. Malcom X Current NRA member.
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I think there will be advances in fuel cells using hydrogen.
I also think the hurdle to charging batteries quickly and efficiently is currently (pun intended) a huge drawback for industry and rural locations. I do think supplemental solar panels on vehicles will help charge idle equipment.
Efficient heating and cooling will be a harder to engineer. LED lighting has replaced the light bulb and uses much less energy. I don't know of an equivalent technology for A/C nor heating.
For even when we were with you, we gave you this rule: "If a man will not work, he shall not eat."
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U.S. vehicle registration statistics for 2020 show almost 287 million vehicles in operation. Got to wonder how much extra strain it would be on power grids along with all other power demands if even half were plugged in recharging on a regular daily basis...
Actually, think of it the other way around. Think of those vehicles being more plugged in than not (most of our cars and trucks are parked, not driven at any given time). Now think of those batteries as bi-directional. Charging when demand is lower than supply, and DISCHARGING into the net when supply is low and demand is high. An example would be you come home from work, park the car, and crank up the AC in the house at the end of the day. Since everyone does the same thing, the net is strained: so your car starts feeding your house from the reserve in it's battery. Peak demand to the net is reduced. Then, at night, when demand is low and there's plenty of supply, the car switches to charging. If cars are EV's AND integrated into the net through AI, they will be a tremendous stabilizing factor.
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We are so fuggin dumb.
kwg This isn’t stupidly, it’s called treason. The CCP is nearly as much in charge of this country as Washington DC! Prove me wrong. 7mm
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