SOMETHING TO THINK ABOUT! ALL OF THE FOLLOWING WILL BECOME REALITY IN THE NEXT 10-20 YEARS. MANY OF US WON’T SEE THE CHANGES, BUT OUR KIDS AND GRANDKIDS PROBABLY WILL.


1. The basic auto repair shops will disappear. Read on to know why.


2. A petrol/diesel engine has 20,000 individual parts. An electrical motor has 20. Electric cars are sold with lifetime guarantees and are repaired only by dealers. It takes only 10 minutes to remove and replace an electric motor.


3. Faulty electric motors are not repaired in the dealership but are sent to a regional repair shop that repairs them with robots.


4.Your electric motor malfunction light goes on, so you drive up to what looks like a car wash, and your car is towed through while you have a cup of coffee and out comes your car with a new electric motor!


5. Petrol pumps will go away.


6. Street corners will have meters that dispense electricity. Companies will install electrical recharging stations; in fact, they’ve already started in the developed world.


7. Smart major auto manufacturers have already designated money to start building new plants that build only electric cars.


8. Coal industries will go away. Gasoline/oil companies will go away Drilling for oil will stop. So say goodbye to OPEC! The middle-east is in trouble.


9. Homes will produce and store more electrical energy during the day than they use and then will sell it back to the grid. The grid stores it and dispense it to industries that are high electricity users. Has anybody seen the Tesla roof?


10. A baby of today will see personal cars only in museums. The FUTURE is approaching faster than most of us can handle.


11. In 1998, Kodak had 170,000 employees and sold 85% of all photo paper worldwide. Within just a few years, their business model disappeared and they went bankrupt. Who would have thought of that ever happening?


12. What happened to Kodak and Polaroid will happen in a lot of industries in the next 5-10 years. Most people don't see this coming.


13. Did you think in 1998 that 3 years later, you would never take pictures on film again? With today’s smartphones, who even has a camera these days?


14. Yet digital cameras were invented in 1975. The first ones only had 10,000 pixels but followed Moore's law. So as with all exponential technologies, it was a disappointment for a time, before it became way superior and became mainstream in only a few short years.


15. It will now happen again, but much faster, with Artificial Intelligence, health, autonomous and electric cars, education, 3D printing, agriculture, and jobs.


16. Forget the book, “Future Shock.” Welcome to the 4th Industrial Revolution.


17. Software has disrupted and will continue to disrupt most traditional industries in the next 5-10 years.


18. UBER is just a software tool, they don't own any cars, and are now the biggest taxi company in the world! Ask any taxi driver if they saw that coming.


19. Airbnb is now the biggest hotel company in the world, although they don't own any properties. Ask Hilton Hotels if they saw that coming.


20. Artificial Intelligence: Computers have become exponentially better in understanding the world. This year, a computer beat the best Go player in the world 10 years earlier than expected.


21. In the USA, young lawyers can't get jobs. Because of IBM, you can get legal advice (right now, the basic stuff) within seconds, with 90% accuracy compared with 70% accuracy when done by humans. So, if you study law, stop immediately. There will be 90% fewer lawyers in the future. What a thought! Only omniscient specialists will remain.



22. Watson already helps nurses diagnose cancer. Their diagnose is 4 times more accurate than human nurses.

23. Facebook now has a pattern recognition software that can recognize faces better than humans. By2030, computers will become more intelligent than humans


24. Autonomous cars: In 2018 the first self-driving cars are already here. In the next 2 years, the entire industry will start to be disrupted. You won’t want to own a car anymore as you will call a car with your phone. It will show up at your location and drive you to your destination.


25. You will not need to park it, you will pay only for the driven distance and you can be productive while driving. The very young children of today will never get a driver's license and will never own a car.


26. This will change our cities because we will need 90-95% fewer cars. We can transform former parking spaces into green parks.


27. About 12 million people worldwide die each year in car accidents due to distracted or drunk driving. We now have one accident every 60,000 miles; with autonomous driving that will drop to 1 accident in 6 million miles. That will save a million lives plus worldwide each year


28. Most traditional car companies will doubtless become bankrupt. They will try the evolutionary approach and just build a better car, while tech companies (Tesla, Apple, Google) will do the revolutionary approach and build a computer on wheels.


29. Look at what Volvo is doing right now; no more internal combustion engines in their vehicles starting this year with the 2019 models, using all-electric or hybrid only. Their intent is to phase out hybrid models


30. Many engineers from Volkswagen and Audi are completely terrified of Tesla and they should be. Look at all the companies offering all-electric vehicles. That was unheard of, only a few years ago.


31. Insurance companies will have massive troubles because, without accidents, the costs of insurance will become cheaper. The car insurance business will disappear!


32. Real estate will change Because if you can work while you commute, people will abandon the crowded cities to move away to more beautiful affordable locations.


33. Electric cars will become mainstream about 2030. Cities will be less noisy because all new cars will run on electricity.


34. Cities will have much cleaner air as well.


35. Electricity will become incredibly cheap and clean.


36. Solar production has been on an exponential up curve for 30 years. You can now see the burgeoning impact. And it’s just starting to get really ramped up.


37. Fossil energy companies are desperately trying to limit access to the grid to prevent competition from home solar installations, but that simply cannot continue. Technology will take care of that strategy.


38. Health: The Tricorder-X price will be announced later this year. Companies that build a medical device (called the "Tricorder" from Star Trek) works with your phone. It will scan your retina, take a blood sample, and analyze your breath. It will then analyse 54 bio-markers that will identify nearly any disease. There are dozens of phone apps out there right now for health.


WELCOME TO TOMORROW– some of it actually arrived a few years ago. And I'm still trying to figure out how to use my cell

Except it won't be either.

Saw first hand how well solar and wind works on a grid during a bad cold front.

My wife insisted on getting a smart phone so we got her one about a year ago, she still doesn't have a real command of the functions and uses it mainly to play online games and check the weather.

I have tried to mess with it some and gave it up as a bad job.

It's a good thing we are in our twilight years and wont have to contend with the new world. We dont have any 11 year old grandkids to teach us how to do all this chit.

One giant problem. China controls 90% of all the rare earth minerals required to make these electrical products. China played the long game and is now influencing our politicians and media to push for the rest of the world to swap to electric. Meanwhile, they emit more CO2 than all the other developed nations combined.

Electricity will not get cheaper

Green dreams

Chain e-mails still exist?

I would respectfully argue that the industries that produce electric vehicles and their components...from the wellhead and mine to the showroom floor will remain carbon power for the next half century or more.
IF there is a huge breakthrough in hydrogen fuel cell development in the near future, then yes, big shift. Honest studies of the carbon footprint of today's electric vehicle, show clearly that it takes more carbon energy to build an electric vehicle, and charge it, than it will EVER save in it's life span. Google slants this story to make it impossible to find by a casual internet search. Depending whose numbers you trust, only about 12% of US energy comes from green sources. And, that includes hydro power which is on the Greta Thunbergs schidt list, includes wind, which is rapidly getting on everybody's(well, the environmentally woke anyway) schidt list. Since I mentioned wind turbines, their manufacturing carbon footprint is huge, worse than lithium ion batteries....and wind turbines have a lifespan of only 20 years, unsure of the life of L-I batteries. Reality and hype are far apart on this in my opinion.

Hell , I thought this was going to be about AOC rocking her boat with a solar powered vibrator .
Kenneth

How long does it take to quick charge an EV battery? Does quick charge shorten the life expectancy of a Lithium battery? How long will the world's lithium supply last? How much lithium do we have in the USA?

And best of all.....🙄..... we will own nothing, have no privacy and be happy!!!!!

Who will clean the piss, vomit, dirty diapers, food wrappers, etc out of the passenger seating area of the autonomous cars?

“Scottie, Beam me up!” All that prediction crap is interesting but tell it to our military and our enemies. One good EMP and anything electrical is gone. Military will have to use fossil fuels for their missions for many many many more years

The point about electric motors being easy to replace is not realistic. While the motors in our Teslas never failed, a friend had a failed motor in his Model S and it took months to get a new one and once it arrived, it took a full day to replace. It's true that electric motors for cars can be refurbished, but, again, when there are tens of millions of them on the road and there are the supply chain issues that always exist with popular items, there will be a backlog of motors awaiting refurbishment and a concomitant delay in getting replacement motors installed.

The earth is currently overpopulated and the untermensch are propagating at an unsustainable rate. Pollution and resource mismanagement have devastated the ecosystem and food and water will soon be the principle cause of conflict. The 1st world countries are surrendering the high ground and dooming their offspring to a life of struggle and oppression.

But the good news is that I am on a roadtrip and having a ball and leaving a big carbon footprint while the world circles the drain. If the grandkids are as resourceful as us and their parents they will be fine.


mike r

Every time a lithium battery cycles, it's life shortens, but it's still capable of 1000's of cycles. Vanadium Ion is another battery type that never degrades, but they're still too physically large for practical purposes. The US has only 1 operating lithium mine. The US also has about 10% of the proven lithium reserves, however, the permitting to mine it is mind boggling and is proving to be prohibitive.

The next quantum leap for electric devices is expected to be in super capacitor development. Where you could take a charge in minutes (like fueling your current auto) and then discharging over hours/days.

2. A petrol/diesel engine has 20,000 individual parts. An electrical motor has 20. Electric cars are sold with lifetime guarantees and are repaired only by dealers. It takes only 10 minutes to remove and replace an electric motor.

22. Watson already helps nurses diagnose cancer. Their diagnose is 4 times more accurate than human nurses.

What a bunch of bloviating Greenie bullshit.

Both of these are for pure bullshit, I'm sure it would not be to difficult to prove a bunch more wrong.

I am doing my part in trying to deplete the amount of Lithium available to the public.
Lead acid batteries are crap and have way to much maintenance to them.
I have purchased (6) 12 volt 200 amp Lithium Bought the supplier out twice and (2) 12 volt 100 amp
Lithium has cold problems They do not like it. So ya gotta keep em warm but not hot. No Maintenance to them.
They charge quicker than Lead Acid batteries.
Grid power is 7 1/2 miles from my property in Arizona. So I have to make my own. Gas is expensive and the wind up there is un reliable at best.
This first set up of (6) 12 volt 200 amp batteries is the 1st battery pack and Inverter set ups that I am building for my property. so that I can get out of Commyfornia hopefully very soon.
I will be building a 2nd. when I figure out what my need are.

Mining Lithium is very destructive to the environment with the Open Pit Mining they do. Mostly in China.
Green New Deal what a Joke. The every day environmentalist Joe Blow has no idea what mining their Green Lithium does. They are brain dead Morons.

"The US has only 1 operating lithium mine. The US also has about 10% of the proven lithium reserves"

How do we know Hillary didn't sell that to Russia?

There are a few kernels in there, but it is about 90% bullshit. Not surprising that no one put their name on it.


Jerry

Jesus, the answers to my Prayers !!!!

So I’ll be able to call a robot to kill beavers, repair my bridge, and clear dams in the creek that flood my cornfield, other robots and auto tractors to plant the cornfield, and a computer legal team to sue the robots that lose against the beavers.

Hot Damn !

Bunch a hooey.

When I was a draftsman an IT guy said me one day there wouldn’t be anymore “pen and ink” and that everyone would have their own computer on their desk. It was pretty funny.

At the time.

Prince said that one day music would just be on a computer.

We’re almost there.

People look forward and those behind can’t belive it, until it happens. Then they say they wish they’d thought of it.

And they said with computers the world would go paperless. Or at least a drastic reduction in paper use.

The run on paper went up, as everyone with a computer wanted hard copy as well. I should have bought some Weyerhauser stock....

Let's see them do timely passenger inter continental flights on batteries, or solar.

An EMP ruins everyone's day that uses electrical devices. Military ain't gonna buy into it, for one (as said above).

The farther away from a primary energy source a device gets, the more costly and energy consumptive to make.There may be exceptions, but I can't think of one. It's called "technology".

Example: Tesla vs F150..... or Expedition, etc.

We may be forced into it, but only the brain dead will think it is "better" , cheaper or more energy/material efficient overall.

I didn’t read the entire OP post or the comments but I can’t imagine that an entire gasoline or diesel car or truck has 20,000 parts let alone in just the engine. I have a gasoline engine truck that has about 300,000 miles miles on it and has never had an engine issue. Most manufacturers today have engines and transmissions pretty well figured out people aren’t routinely bringing vehicles in now for engine issues.

I am a neanderthal but enjoy the benefits of modern tech. My kids own E cars that are amazingly fast and run paper free businesses. My grandkids are studying math and science and expect to travel to other planets. Times change and people either grow and adapt or fail.


mike r

All the greens who talk about the end of petroleum but can never answer where all the plastics in their electric cars will come from, where the tires will come or the asphalt roads will come from.

Where will all the fertilizer come from without natural gas.

They are full of bovine excrement

It's my understanding that as long as rubber, asphalt and plastics are a necessity, there will be an oil industry.

Gasoline will eventually go away. They'll still need oil for petrochemicals.



Digital photography was invented in 1975; by an engineer at - Kodak. They refused to do anything with it because they couldn't envision anyone looking at pictures on a screen (it was well before personal computers) and it didn't have the downstream financial benefits of Kodak processing and Kodak printing on Kodak paper.



Like products always do when there is a sudden surge in demand. The conversion to electricity will require a massive investment to upgrade the electrical grid.

This reminds me of the predictions made in 1945 that everyone would soon have a small airplane in their garage and that nuclear power would make electricity too cheap to meter, and would be free.

And I think the idea of not owning a vehicle is a crock. Just make a phone call and a self driving one shows up? What about peak times. You'll wait a couple of hours.

Coal is used to make synthetic materials also. Nylon comes to mind.

Would this be enough for awhile? Given that they can actually get it out of the ground?

(my bold)

And that is a 2013 story.

It's there, more than enough for "Our" needs for the foreseeable future, but there's that money thing. As long as the basic product can be produced cheaper somewhere else, that's where it's going to be produced.

Have you priced a simple pair of American made leather gloves lately? Compared to those made overseas?

They will have to get the juice from something other than wind a solar.

More wet green dreams. The wind turbine blades are cut from balsa trees in S America, shipped to china where slave labor turns them into turbine blades. They are then shipped to the brain dead governments who site them and have them installed. Next we have many days off, and most nights, too windy! Too little wind!

Then comes the very high maintenance costs, hey they must have come out of a Yugo plant, certainly not a Toyota plant.

They never pencil out for what they were spec’d out for. After paying for these green wet dreams the local customers are stuck with high carbon (see production and maintenance costs) costs, and third world energy dependability.

My grandparents in Bristol VA in 1956 were on an all renewable farm [except for kerosene lamps].
An old man plowing the field with two work horses.
An old woman milking 7 cows and cooking on a wood stove.
No electricity and no plumbing.
I was 5 and put to work hoeing the tobacco patch, the cash crop.
The evening meal was always coleslaw and cold beans.
If liberals were sent to renewable lifestyle farm for one week, all that work would change their mind about renewables.

May I suggest that all of that “renewable energy” back then, could also be understood as an “honest day’s work”? Yep, the younger generations don’t comprehend what that means

There's probably a nugget of truth in there, but mostly by sheer luck.

The future? Follow the money. If'n'when it's cheaper, it wins.

Right now, solar is the cheapest, and still getting cheaper at 3% per year. It's going to win, we're just arguing about when.
Right now, lithium-ion is the practical champ -- but it's expensive, and not all that easy to work with. Several different solid state battery options are being touted, some of which have a 1 minute charge time. Think that would ease range anxiety a bit?
Right now everyone has their car, because that's what they want. It's always there, there are very reasonably priced options. You really think your wife is going to get into some public conveyance smelling like a subway on Sunday morning to go to church? Not happening, not ever. Owning a car, especially if it's even cheaper than it is now, will remain the standard.
Medicine, right now, is consuming 20% of our GDP. That simply is too far out of whack, and telehealth and other computer driven protocols will have a huge influence. Realistically, docs are bound hand and foot by rules, from insurance, from "standard of care", from government.
Law -- nobody cares if a bunch of lawyers lose their jobs. Until they need one.
Autonomous cars will rule. Send the car to pick little Johnny up from school and take him to soccer practice, and then home, and little Jane to piano practice. Mommy can stay on the porch drinking gin-and-tonics with her bridge club. The biggest problem will be increased urban sprawl: a two hour commute is not as big a deal when you can crawl in your bed and sleep on the way to and from work. Go to hunting camp? The truck drives while you sleep comfortably in the bed in the back.

Nope cow farts are bad for the environment and wood burning is super bad. Have to ban those too.

Once AOC tears down your home and let’s you rebuild a grass hut with no styrofoam insulation and no trees, or animal byproducts you won’t be able to use natural gas, wood, or coal to heat it either. Just a grass hut with a solar panel but it’s going to be pure bliss AOC says so. Now quit being a racist, transgender phobic, eco terrorist. White man bad!

Damn dude,

sometimes you make too much sense.

PS, what the heck is your buddy over this way building? A giant earthen pond? Settling basin for solids? Oh, and we saw a baldy heading towards his operation this morning on our way to the dog show. Right over his place on 139.

All powered by unicorn farts and bullshit...right up 'til battery technology makes a major leap in which case some of that will be feasible.


...except the lawyer bit, those pricks are like cockroaches and will survive everything.

We will be using 1800 technology before this year is up. Think EMP.

U.S. vehicle registration statistics for 2020 show almost 287 million vehicles in operation. Got to wonder how much extra strain it would be on power grids along with all other power demands if even half were plugged in recharging on a regular daily basis...

I built a stand alone solar house for a client a couple of years ago
If I ever build my dream home it will be stand alone solar for so many reasons, but mostly because it will be the cheapest in the long run.

Top six countries with the largest lithium reserves in the world

1. Bolivia – 21 million tonnes
2. Argentina – 17 million tonnes
3. Chile – 9 million tonnes
4. United States – 6.8 million tonnes
5. Australia – 6.3 million tonnes
6. China – 4.5 million tonnes

It was 1991 when Sony and Asahi Kasei released the first commercial lithium-ion battery.

What's next for new battery development that we don't even know about today?

Although natural gas power plants seem to be gaining popularity the drilling of oil isn't going away for a host of logical reasons.

Less dependency on OPEC nations, yes but 'going away', notta chance.

What's referred to as 'green power' sources may provide 20 to 25% of our power needs in the far distant future.

I can just see it now, major sea battle with carrier wallowing and the xo screaming over the line "has anyone got a fucking AAA".

We all know how socialism ends.

The Green new Deal is an off switch for America.

Right now, there is just absolutely no freakin way of making and using reliable electricity from wind or solar on a large scale.
Harvesting isn’t the problem, storage and transporting it to where it’s needed are.
Someday, some egghead nerd may solve these problems, but right now the technology to reliably store electricity (because the sun ain’t always shining and the wind ain’t constant) and get it to the consumer simply doesn’t exist
Not to mention ‘snake’s thought about an EMP putting us literally into the dark ages. With the grid as it is, a large solar flare could do it, let alone China.
7mm

Much of this is very doable and a lot of it well in progress by degrees.

The can’t parts of it will just have to play out over time.

Actually, the schidthole of creation, Afghanistan, is poised to become the largest lithium producer in the world, except for the fact there is no rail, and the likelihood of getting one built is beyond difficult. And we wonder why we were keeping a military presence in the 'Stan'? It's not to protect the poppy industry I suspect. It's to keep China from occupying, follow the goddam money, every single time. But, I say, have at it Chinks, occupy the graveyard of empires. By the time they develop the lithium production, quick charge, solid state, non-flammable batteries will be developed. Some smart people say IBM research division is almost there already.

IBM has been on that for a while now. This was alluded to in a financial newsletter that I used to receive online.

This. We had it in Afghanistan but instead we are bailing out. It will be China's in the next 10 years. We are so fuggin dumb.
kwg

I think there will be advances in fuel cells using hydrogen.

I also think the hurdle to charging batteries quickly and efficiently is currently (pun intended) a huge drawback for industry and rural locations. I do think supplemental solar panels on vehicles will help charge idle equipment.

Efficient heating and cooling will be a harder to engineer. LED lighting has replaced the light bulb and uses much less energy. I don't know of an equivalent technology for A/C nor heating.

Actually, think of it the other way around. Think of those vehicles being more plugged in than not (most of our cars and trucks are parked, not driven at any given time). Now think of those batteries as bi-directional. Charging when demand is lower than supply, and DISCHARGING into the net when supply is low and demand is high.

An example would be you come home from work, park the car, and crank up the AC in the house at the end of the day. Since everyone does the same thing, the net is strained: so your car starts feeding your house from the reserve in it's battery. Peak demand to the net is reduced. Then, at night, when demand is low and there's plenty of supply, the car switches to charging.

If cars are EV's AND integrated into the net through AI, they will be a tremendous stabilizing factor.

This isn’t stupidly, it’s called treason.
The CCP is nearly as much in charge of this country as Washington DC!
Prove me wrong.
7mm

Throughout history technological advancement has changed life as we know it or knew it. Technology is advancing exponentially and has been for some time. It will continue to increase in the future. Things that seem impossible will become possible and even common. I have no problem with electric vehicles and wind or solar power. I do have a problem with government legislating we accept and adopt these things before the technology exists to make them cost effective. I dont think technology will advance to the point we can ski through a keyhole.

Literally gayer'n aids.

You should write articles for Twink 'n Bear monthly.

If the government was legislating green edicts for the good of the planet, for the good of the people...I wouldn't be so hostile to the green movement. But, the reality is every single goddam time, when you drill down into one of these government green edicts, you find politicians who are deeply pre-invested and set to benefit. Pelosi and gang for instance, Newsom and the railroad to nowhere, Harry Reid ass deep in solar farms, basically Chinese shadow companies. It just goes on and on. After all, we have the best government money can buy.

You know, politicians scamming is a fact of life, hardly exclusive to "green" energy. It's just that the social justice fervor gives them cover.

My biggest problem is EVERY SINGLE TIME the government gets involved it stifles innovation, slows down progress, and makes things more expensive. But, do-gooders will always want to be do-gooders, no matter how much evil they have to do to get there....

That's your fantasy, not mine....

I believe the Constiturion is the supreme law of the land, therefore I believe at least 95% of the federal government is unconstitutional. I also believe in letting free market forces dictate consumerism. Electric vehicles and alternate energy sources are the future but the government has no authority to mandate we accept them.

I read a piece the other day about how they estimate the range of electric vehicles. It is done on a dynamometer and usually gives a higher than actual estimate. There was a chart showing the range of different vehicles. I think Tesla was near the top with an estimate of almost 400 miles. Some of the others were below 200 miles. It might work for some people but we couldn't go to Tucson and back home without having to charge the battery.

JUST HOW MUCH do we rely on fossel fuels ,carbon based products to build and keep our world going do not include gas diesel and jet fuel, me thinks that we need to keep on drilling,

norm

"In 1998, Kodak had 170,000 employees and sold 85% of all photo paper worldwide. Within just a few years, their business model disappeared and they went bankrupt. Who would have thought of that ever happening?"

I used to be a professional photographer. The only film was Kodak. The film cans were yellow, the boxes that printing paper came in were yellow, we called Eastman Kodak "The Yellow Giant." Back in the seventies, they looked as invincible as Sears Roebuck.

Today, gone with the wind. Unbelievable.

buy them all cheep put motorcycle engines in them with the cavate that the french are responsible for battery disposal.

or make them into homeless shelters

But but but oboma said basic staples will be far less money than they are when he took charge. I mean Biden, now.

Go take a nap in your Jetsons tube.

You describe more and more a workers paradise.


Unless you plan on getting rid of half the worlds population......these ideas where we replace everyone with robots and self driving cars are ludicrous.

You don’t think that’s coming?
Probably be lucky if they stop at half. The massive push to consolidate power and to control every aspect of our lives isnt happening by chance. It’s gonna be the farthest thing from a paradise.

The average life of a windmill is 20 years. It takes the output of the 1st 10 years to pay for it. Then it only has 10 productive years. It can't be recycled so it's scrapped. That's not saving anyone any money. If it wasn't for government incentives, they'd go bankrupt.

That windmill has 150 gallons of OIL in it. Ever wonder how many birds each windmill will murder in it's twenty year lifespan? They eat up farmland just like solar panels do. Both of them are toxic to the environment so disposal is problematic. It's just another democrat idea of how to piss into the wind and not get wet. If it's your thing good for you just don't make me pay to subsidize it.

Hahaha!

There is nothing wrong with wind power. Or solar.
Or hydro....or coal or any of them.

When we invade Norway or Denmark to get their wind turbines....I will change my mind.

A few fugging birds......jeebus.

How much money and lives did the Bush clan waste in the middle east?



Birds......schit.

Them wind tunnels the tree huggers planted here in Texas didn’t work out so good this winter for lots of folks. They froze up and were as useless as an elevator in an outhouse. The Greenie New Deal Weenies can go Fu*k a knothole in a stump

Zero percent of our food is grown with wind and solar. Electricity can't make anhydrous ammonia or pesticides. The Green New Deal is a suicide pact.

We went from kerosene lamps to electric without torturing America.

Swing and a miss. Lots of crops being grown without anhydrous, or pesticides, or both -- if you'd like, come on down, and I'll show you our hay farm -- we use NO man made fertilizer or pesticides of any kind, and yet we harvest double the county average in yield. We do, however, use electricity for irrigation.

Dutch I have to ask, concerning your methodology, what about soybeans, corn, cotton, sugar cane, truck farming and other needed commodities?

People don’t eat hay but realizing good livestock for food does,

Don't forget pluots. Greenies love pluots.

^^^This right here^^^

There’s nothing wrong with wind power but if it really worked all that great as a global solution, well I’ve never heard of wars being started over wind turbines or solar panels....

Not yet.

If and when the Gooberment ever go's against Wind Power.
They will say that the Turbines are slowing the Earths Rotation because of the drag from the wind.
As well as all of the Birds they kill and when the Gear Box's Break all of the toxic oil spread down wind.
Ya just have to know how to spin things.

I can look out of my office window and see billions of tons of oil, natural gas and propane moving every day, and that's just by water. It's really hard for me to believe that these people aren't idiots.

All we do is use manure to grow a crop; our soil is heavy glacial clay, so our crop choices are limited, and hay is relatively idiot proof, a big plus in our circumstances. Our system is simple, we liquefy the manure from the fish tanks and then pump it through the irrigation system onto the fields. We save about $70 per acre per year in fertilizer costs (plus application costs). We save an additional $20K per year by avoiding having to haul off the manure somewhere else in a honey wagon. We are also eligible for USDA organic status, but for the fact that that program would require we let the USDA stick their nose in our business, an opportunity we happily decline..... We are looking to buy some neighboring acreage because soil testing is indicating we are applying more nutrients than needed.

The second part of your question: can this be used on other (commodity) crops? Many cultivars from many crops absolutely HAVE to have chemical support through pesticides. On the other hand, more and more cultivars are coming available specifically bred for increased pest resistance. I grew up in an orchard, one of the most chemical intensive crops. My father went to his deathbed deriding the very idea you could produce an apple without pesticides. Yet, today, I can go to just about any grocery store in this country and buy organic apples -- neither pesticides nor fertilizer used for at least three years. A little more expensive, but the market has decided that the additional cost is worth whatever it is that the consumer is looking for. And that's how it should be.

The almond industry should be ashamed of itself.

Hauling in bees.........what a fugging travesty.

Like it or not, life will look a LOT different in 10, 20, 30 years from now.

Technology that most of us conservatives think is evil (because of how it has been subsidized and politicized) will be mainstream.

Companies are building batteries made from nuclear waste that will last thousands of years. They will be commercially viable in a decade, or less. (look up "radioactive diamond batteries") There are start-ups building tiny nuclear reactors to power micro grids that will be market ready in 6-8 years.

Autonomous vehicles will reach a point where they are so safe, that insurance premiums to drive your 1983 F-150 is cost prohibitive.


Bottom line..... if you old farts think none of this is for real and life will look the same 10 years from now...... you are delusional.

The almond industry should be ashamed of itself. Water wasters, the honey isn't fit for human consumption, a big portion of the crop goes to our beloved friends the Chinese, no telling how many "migrant workers" are involved in that industry, and there's the infamous


Almond milk.


They have to call it that because no one would buy..............................






Nut juice.

Well, maybe some folks would, but not most.

So have you boycotted everything almond?

Seems like you are a passionate anti-almond militant. Seriously, can you tell us the last time you had almond in a meal? (hint - I bet in the last 24 hours, whether you knew it or not)

And hint: The almond industry doesn't exist to produce HONEY. It exist to produce ALMONDS.

You assertion of "migrant workers" really shows your intent to be prick.......... Northern California orchards are almost 100% automated.

Have you actually seen an almond tree "picked?" LMAO

Side note:

Almond orchards ARE hard on water - it is not like an alfalfa field where a farmer can pass for the year. Almond trees need water EVERY year, or they die. That is a huge issue in that industry.

Dude,

I live in NorCal, and have seen my share of almond orchards.

I generally know what I'm eating.

I am not a fan of nuts in general, almonds I can tolerate when in other products. If noted on the label and I have an alternative I will usually avoid an almond containing product...................except when my wife bakes with almond flour. I do not eat them out of hand.

Who operates the "automated" machines in those orchards? Who mows, sets out and repairs irrigation systems. I have nothing against LEGAL migrant workers, but having lived in Cali most of my life since 1963, I kinda know the routine.

I'm sure you like some Nut Juice in your desert coffees.

If everything "almond" disappeared from the face of the earth by the time I wake in the morning, it would not affect me in the least. Before meeting my wife, I rarely if ever had anything whatsoever to do with almonds.

As a fish guy, I'd rather see every ounce of water withdrawn from the Sacramento/San Joaquin system left in the river than to grow one f'n more almond tree.

Do you have relatives in the almond industry? Heavily invested in it? Gamble in almond futures.

As for being a prick? Thanks for the compliments coming from the beloved Duck911

Irrigation is removing needed water from river systems.

Your ox will be gored as well.

Sobering thought, Rufus.
People in North Korea supposedly eating grass and weeds.

You’ve got an excellent, well thought out and applied system there, Dutch .

As to foods labeled as “Organic “., you might want to read up a bit more on that issue.

Thank you, it's kinda a no brainer in our setup.

Organic? I've tried to read up on the Canadian (we export a lot of our crop to Canada), USDA, State of Idaho, and European systems, but not an expert by any means. Bottom line, as I see it, is that all of them are bureaucratic fiefdoms with rules for the masses and exceptions for the few (like all bureaucracies). As I said, not a fan of the USDA program in particular, because of the individuals (bureaucrats) running the scheme. They make the TSA look like an efficient, well run organization run by pleasant people. That, and the premium for organic hay in our area hardly supports the additional administrative and operational burden for a tiny 100 acre place. If we had 10,000 acres, sure, but not for the little plot we farm.




But because we use the water twice, we are "greener" than anyone else in the neighborhood, so our ox will be last on the list to be gored, and by that time, we'll have built the greenhouses -- where the loss of water is very, very low. Kinda like bear hunting, you don't have to be faster than the bear, just faster than your hunting buddy. We'll be greener than Ireland!

Of course changes will occur and things will evolve. That is a no brainer for us old farts. We've seen it already.

It's the fact that some people are foolish enough to believe that they alone control the destiny of the earth that disgusts us.

From time to time a lot of people get sick from eating imported vegetables from other countries, usually Mexico, due to their organic fertilization. Crop workers crapping in the fields.

There has been sporadic outbreaks of E-coli from vegetables grown in the Rio Grande valley from using irrigation water from the river.

The Green Wet Dream will end White Privilege. Ghetto dudes won’t need to shoot an innocent person to carjack their wheels. Just call one those Autonomous vehicles and keep it as long as you want. Jesus and Pedro won’t have to steal a car to strip it for beer money. Just call that Autonomous car down to the Barrio and strip it clean. Not just tires and wheels, but high value electric motors, computers and battery packs. Big bucks.

I see the Duck'O'douche is an expert, on this subject too !!

Just like everything else she opens her yap about, ignorant beyond belief !

I think Alexandria’s Occasional Cortex’s green car idea, on a grand scale, comes from smoking those funny cigarettes. She apparently has been told that electricity is just behind that wall with the outlet.

This big an energy transition (the Green New Deal) would require hundreds of percents greater mining of lithium, nickel, and other rare earth metals for battery production. These elements are not found everywhere (we are largely an importer AOC) and neither is the capability to mine them on the scale needed. Think great gouges in the earth with fossil fuels needed for the mining....Continual mining. Think environmental impact multiple times greater than a pipeline.

If it were possible, imagine the carbon footprint AOC. Better reimagine it.

And then as shown, is the minor problem of discarding spent batteries. Besides, fossil fuels were the original green deal and we have a lot of it.

I’m Imagining those cars in a Midwest blizzard.

Geno’s a prick now?! JFC, one of the kinder posters on the forum. Duck911 is an angry little guy.

Get real. If all you had to keep your family warm and safe (think prehistoric) was a fire, would you piss on it because the monkey in the cave next door promised something better in the next 10 years?

Some of what was listed is true, some is false.

There is enough lithium in the California mountains to make every car in America battery powered. Tesla is mining lithium in Nevada and has a huge battery manufacturing plant in Nevada right next door because California would not allow lithium strip mining.

There is enough wind energy in the plains states and off shore in certain places to power then entire USA. Problem is transmission. Not many people live in the plains states but live east of the Mississippi. Bird kills are the biggest problem. However, someone invented a vertical windmill that doesn't have propellers and could save the birds.

Solar panels on roofs or solar shingles produce enough power to supply a home and charge a powerwall battery to power the home at night. Problem is cost right now. It could come down.

No one talked about geothermal. I saw a magazine article that said you could drill a 18" hole 2 miles deep (not impossible with current technology) in certain places and it is hot enough down there to boil water. Pump water down an 8" pipe down the middle of the hole and steam comes back up to turn a generator. This could keep drilling companies in business.

No one has tried earth sheltered homes (mortgage companies don't like them for some reason). Semi-underground with one side open to light. Cuts power use by as much as 50% or more. In the deep south 3' of earth cover and it is a constant 58-62 degrees. Wouldn't take much to heat and cool. I know someone who built his home this way. Went a whole year without heat and ac. He said when it was 14 degrees outside, it was about 60 inside. When it was 102 degrees outside, it was 85 degrees inside but very humid. Had to install a dehumidifier and installed central ac for summer but his bills were cheap all year round. Hillside property would then probably be more valuable than flat land saving it for farming or ranching.

More than one way to skin a cat.

Also, most vegetables can be grown in greenhouses for maximum production. I read where a farmer built a 10 acre greenhouse and grew vegetables year round with him, his son, and one other worker. Turned his 200 acre farm from vegetable production to growing cattle. He did not have to buy insecticides as the greenhouse was screened and had double door entries. He used cow manure for fertilizer so he didn't have to buy fertilizer. He did have a higher power bill using grow lights at night to increase production. He made about the same profit off the greenhouse vegetables as plowing and planting 200 acres. However, he made s significant profit raising the cattle, which more than offset his large power bill.

If all vegetables in the US were grown in greenhouses, it would free a lot of farmland for forest, cattle or other animals, thus increasing production and lowering food costs as well as giving us more hunting land. Holland is the third largest exporter of food, mostly to other European countries. Almost all their former farmland is covered in greenhouses. Iceland even exports bananas grown in geothermal heated greenhouses, to Europe.

However, until a 15 minute charging station is developed, I still think the next 10-20 years may see more hybrids sold than fully electric.

Duck is an almond expert.

LOL

So how does a tractor/truck/car/bus/train/combine/work day after day when it's below zero outside?
I already know the answer, they won't, and they won't keep me warm and the windows defrosted and the wife unit happy.
All this farm equipment is going to run how without fuel of some kind, tractor trailers going across country, how in the cold climes of the top 40 states.
The damn power grid can't handle what it's putting out know. This is all pretty much bullshit.
Put together right it might work part time in a few warmer states, but that's about it.

Badge of honor for me, to be so named by the Duck.



I still think he has family/friends in the business and/or is heavily invested in almonds. Or an exporting company.

And he likes Nut Juice in his dessert coffee.

(I try to be nice, but I wasn't the one who called me a prick to start)

All this "Green Energy" production is and has always been subsidized by us the taxpayer. It has made some people very rich and is a great revenue creator for democrat politicians. Most if not all the claims are laughable. Yeah they currently mine some but on any scale large enough to do any good is not feasible. Has anyone actually picked up and carried one of those 4x8' Solar Panels? They're heavy and I wouldn't want them on my roof. Know what happens when you have them on your roof and you need a new roof? They have to come off. We cannot produce enough electricity to use at present so why would it be feasible to mandate more usage?

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Electric cars kill the environment more than gas engines. Their manufacture and parts manufacturing are very bad for mother earth.