An interesting thought, would the shots also aid against common cold and flu?
And it would not surprise me if the shots were originally sourced for the military to keep troops in the fight, with private companies running with the formula to make money. No way in hell did they come up with this in a couple of months.
An interesting thought, would the shots also aid against common cold and flu?
And it would not surprise me if the shots were originally sourced for the military to keep troops in the fight, with private companies running with the formula to make money. No way in hell did they come up with this in a couple of months.
The science behind it was developed during SARS-1, in the early 2000s. Back then, they used normal experimental protocols, but when they got to the animal phase of the study, they shut it all down due to a huge number of animal deaths (sometimes many months after the vaccine was administered). As a result, it never got to the human phase of the testing. But with Operation Warp Speed, they got to skip over the animal testing phase and go right to the general population.
Who cares? And why should one side care what the other side thinks and does, it makes no sense to me.
Personally I agree. I don’t have any issue with people freely making a decision one way or the other.
I will, if I see someone pushing the idea now popular that everyone, regardless of their age or risk factors for COVID or their consultation w/ a Dr should get the shot, argue that it isn’t that simple.
Then I’m called anti-Vax and told I’m arguing no one should get the shot which I’ve never said.
I have friends who have gotten the shot and I don’t care. Just don’t tell me I need to run and get it, and if you ask me why I haven’t don’t tell me I’m anti-Vax when I explain why.
700LH is flat out dishonest and I called him out for it so he is butthurt but logic never moves such people. He’ll put everyone who disagrees with him on ignore or name call instead of recognizing his transparently hypocritical he is.
You're conflating 2 different issues: the long term effects of covid in your individual case, and long term natural immunity or lack thereof. Concerning immunity, natural immunity may last as long or longer than the vax, but he vax isn't going to hurt. And if you are 6 months down the road it's likely going to extend natural immunity. However, there is no covid in the vax, so you cannot covid from the vaccine. Side effects are completely different than the disease.
The maladies you are suffering now are after effects of the disease, and not the disease itself. If you still had the disease, you would have to be in quarantine and could still give it to others.
Finally, your mistrust of the government...the government did not create the vaccine. Private companies did, the government just got out of the way to a greater extent than it usually does. So what your really saying is "I don't trust this vaccine because it doesn't have enough government" ...lmao.
They are the same issue; what's happening in my body now is caused by my body's immune system reacting to the now-stifled virus. It's already stimulated. I don't need any vaccine to build the response. It's already quite active. I've never seen a doctor tell me I needed a flu shot after I got the flu.
Your second premise sounds like it was formulated in a world historically devoid of sunshine. I mistrust the vaccine for a plethora of reasons, chief among them is that the government is pushing it at a time when the side effects are just becoming obvious. You do have a point that I believe the government should allow for "Let the Buyer Beware." In this case, the buyer should be very wary.
What I think is the height of stupidity in this thread is the assumption both sides make that the other side is stupid.
Up until 14 January, I would have been 1st in line for any vaccine if it had been offered. Then I started coughing at work one day. The plant manager called me that night and told me my buddy in the next office had caught the disease and I needed to quarantine. The next day, I started running a serious fever. Someone on here recommended a treatment of Zinc, Quinine, and Vitamin D, and I started getting relief in about 24 hours. I was back to work in February, feeling like I'd been hit by a truck. Everyone else in the house got it as well. At work, everyone of our management got it. Our second shift supervisor died from it.
Here it is almost June, and I am still feeling the effects. That was a serious hole. I still don't have my stamina back. I am also still having night sweats. The latter is a fairly common after-effect with me. I've had pneumonia a few times, and for up to 6 months after, I sweat heavily in the wee hours. The reason I mention this is that my body is still reacting to the disease. It's okay. I'm not complaining. I just know something big happened.
My point is: what does a guy do after that? Rush out and get stuck twice, because the government says it's a good idea? These are the same yahoos that say I don't need assault weapons and that I'm too white. They say we can spend ourselves to prosperity and that we need to ditch gasoline-driven cars. Do I go get stuck twice because some yahoo on the 'Fire says I'm stupid if I don't? Look, I'm sorry about somebody's sister and all. I know people that died in this as well. If someone would show me a good reason to get stuck with something that requires that I trust my government, versus trust the various processes that are going on in my body as we speak-- processes I have to trust either way, regardless of my choices-- I might choose to get stuck. Just don't call me stupid and expect me to line up.
You're conflating 2 different issues: the long term effects of covid in your individual case, and long term natural immunity or lack thereof. Concerning immunity, natural immunity may last as long or longer than the vax, but he vax isn't going to hurt. And if you are 6 months down the road it's likely going to extend natural immunity. However, there is no covid in the vax, so you cannot covid from the vaccine. Side effects are completely different than the disease.
The maladies you are suffering now are after effects of the disease, and not the disease itself. If you still had the disease, you would have to be in quarantine and could still give it to others.
Finally, your mistrust of the government...the government did not create the vaccine. Private companies did, the government just got out of the way to a greater extent than it usually does. So what your really saying is "I don't trust this vaccine because it doesn't have enough government" ...lmao.
But now you are conflating two issues. Even IF the vaccine is the end all, cure all, natural immunity is AT LEAST as effective as the Janssen (single shot) vaccine. So why the push to vaccinate people who already been vaccinated the traditional way == through exposure to the ACTUAL virus? It simply violates the Hyppocratic oath "first do no harm", if there is ANY risk involved with the vaccines. And we know there are risks involved, if nothing more than blood clots with the Janssen vaccine.
Taking the vaccine after exposure "just because it probably extends immunity" is, scientifically, retarded. People who survived SARS dang near 20 years ago still show T-cell immunity response to C-19, AND THAT'S 20 YEARS LATER AND A DIFFERENT VIRUS! The "extended immunity" claim is, scientifically, half baked. It's just another way to try and justify a closely held PERSONAL BELIEF that everyone should be vaccinated.
All that said, if I had not had C19, I'd get vaccinated. Like Shaman, I'm still recovering five months later, and I am really looking forward to the day my sinuses aren't filling up overnight to the point I wake up bouncing into doorways from lack of balance.
At this point I don’t think many educated people are questioning the efficacy of the vaccine.
Effective, yup.
That doesn't mean it's safe long-term.
Just because it works doesn't mean there's no adverse long term effects from it.
Educated people are questioning the safety of mRNA tech, not whether it's effective in these EUA injections.
Exactly. Kind of amazing how many guys have posted, on this site, something along the line of "I got my 2nd dose two weeks ago, and I'm just fine." Two weeks might be long term for a tsetse fly, but not for people. I certainly hope that there are no long term effects, but it will be years, not weeks, before we know.
Who cares? And why should one side care what the other side thinks and does, it makes no sense to me.
Personally it is not that I care what the other side thinks or does until they start advocating I be isolated or penalized. And there are plenty of zealots for mandatory vaccination with penalties attached if you refuse. Such as loss of employment, prohibitions on travel or entering buildings etc.
Patriotism (and religion) is the last refuge of a scoundrel.
Carlson wanted to know how many people have died from getting the COVID vaccine:
“We checked today. Here’s the answer, which comes from the same set of government numbers that we just listed: Between late December of 2020, and last month, a total of 3,362 people apparently died after getting the COVID vaccines in the United States. Three thousand, three hundred and sixty-two — that’s an average of 30 people every day. So, what does that add up to? By the way, that reporting period ended on April 23. We don’t have numbers past that, we’re not quite up to date. But we can assume that another 360 people have died in the 12 days since. That is a total of 3,722 deaths. Almost four thousand people died after getting the COVID vaccines. The actual number is almost certainly much higher than that — perhaps vastly higher.”
Why isn’t anyone talking about this? Do doctors and other medical professionals now understand that you’re not supposed to talk about anything that goes against the Woke Supremacy’s COVID stance? We’re talking about our own lives here.
Call me stupid, selfish, dangerous--whatever you want. I'd say 10X the normal number of deaths from a flu shot is worth taking pause.
you should enter the other part of that, yeah that many died out of how many vacinated?
[ you should enter the other part of that, yeah that many died out of how many vacinated?
The whole article has those numbers. You should read it. The point is that the death rate is 10 times that of a normal flu shot. If COVID weren't being hyped so much, those numbers would be very disturbing.
An interesting thought, would the shots also aid against common cold and flu?
And it would not surprise me if the shots were originally sourced for the military to keep troops in the fight, with private companies running with the formula to make money. No way in hell did they come up with this in a couple of months.
The science behind it was developed during SARS-1, in the early 2000s. Back then, they used normal experimental protocols, but when they got to the animal phase of the study, they shut it all down due to a huge number of animal deaths (sometimes many months after the vaccine was administered). As a result, it never got to the human phase of the testing. But with Operation Warp Speed, they got to skip over the animal testing phase and go right to the general population.
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I got banned on another web site for a debate that happened on this site. That's a first
[ you should enter the other part of that, yeah that many died out of how many vacinated?
The whole article has those numbers. You should read it. The point is that the death rate is 10 times that of a normal flu shot. If COVID weren't being hyped so much, those numbers would be very disturbing.
The fear of Covid-19 is irrational created by governmental overreaction
I got banned on another web site for a debate that happened on this site. That's a first
Who cares? And why should one side care what the other side thinks and does, it makes no sense to me.
Personally it is not that I care what the other side thinks or does until they start advocating I be isolated or penalized. And there are plenty of zealots for mandatory vaccination with penalties attached if you refuse. Such as loss of employment, prohibitions on travel or entering buildings etc.
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