The last week of May I posted that my younger sister (she would have been 64 next week) was in ICU with Covid.
The Covid triggered one cascading systemic failure after another. She spent about five weeks in ICU and was transported from Walla Walla to Spokane Wa via air ambulance.
She died yesterday.
After spending what? At a published $4K/day for ICU care w/ ventilation.......somewhere approaching $150K in hospital bills?
All preventable with a free shot at any local pharmacy.
When her daughter was asked: "Have you guys been vaccinated?" She answered: "No, we do not want to be tracked!"
Before COVID19, folks died of the flu at about the same rate annually, and following the same pattern. You just never heard of it, because it was a mere statistic back then that you had to look up if you wanted to know about it.
Not to make light, of course. RIP. Sorry for your loss. When things like this hit home, or close to it, they suddenly become very real.
My condolences on the loss of your sister, I'm very sorry.
For the sake of your sister don't turn it political, she made a decision. She wasn't a sheeple, good for her, you should be proud.
To be honest, I think there is a lot of poor healthcare going on. My sister has COPD got the Covid and kicked its ass after 2 weeks in ICU. She credits her survival to the great care she was given by her doctors and nurses.
My condolences on the loss of your sister, I'm very sorry.
For the sake of your sister don't turn it political, she made a decision. She wasn't a sheeple, good for her, you should be proud.
To be honest, I think there is a lot of poor healthcare going on. My sister has COPD got the Covid and kicked its ass after 2 weeks in ICU. She credits her survival to the great care she was given by her doctors and nurses.
The last week of May I posted that my younger sister (she would have been 64 next week) was in ICU with Covid.
The Covid triggered one cascading systemic failure after another. She spent about five weeks in ICU and was transported from Walla Walla to Spokane Wa via air ambulance.
She died yesterday.
After spending what? At a published $4K/day for ICU care w/ ventilation.......somewhere approaching $150K in hospital bills?
All preventable with a free shot at any local pharmacy.
When her daughter was asked: "Have you guys been vaccinated?" She answered: "No, we do not want to be tracked!"
"Oh, so you have destroyed your cell phone then?"
"Uh? What?"
Ignorance does abound!
even in your own post. the "vaccine" doesnt prevent you from getting covid
The choice about getting the COVID shot is personal, and the outcome either way uncertain. I looked at everything I could from reliable sources before I took my decision, but in no way do I feel knowledgeable enough or competent to advise anyone else. I do think very strongly that everything that can be done to prevent and treat it isn’t widely available due to politics and other agendas, which is tragic and shameful. Someday I hope all that can be set aside for everyone’s good, but I ain’t holding my breath.
Sorry to read that from the OP. The fact remains that while the incidence of infection is going down thanks in large part to the vaccine, there are still 25,000 cases a day in the US and you can bet that number is under reported because lots of people are going to try to tough it out at home. My sister got it too back in November, but being a medical professional, she knew the possible ramifications and went right in for that infusion treatment. I don't like being part of a nation wide science experiment either, but if the wife and I having gotten the shots makes us test subjects, then so be it. We sure haven't seen any down side.
I’m sorry you lost your sister! My oldest daughter’s mother in law is in hospital fighting for her life. I don’t understand why she didn’t get vaccinated?
The common wisdom is COVID risks are all equal. They are not. The risks increase with age and comorbidities. I doubt if it will be ever understood.
The risks most significantly increase in connection with Vitamin D3 deficiency. And, yes, many are dying of it due to doctors refusing to prescribe, or delaying the prescription of, the two treatments proven most effective against it, i.e., HCQ and Ivermectin.
The last week of May I posted that my younger sister (she would have been 64 next week) was in ICU with Covid.
The Covid triggered one cascading systemic failure after another. She spent about five weeks in ICU and was transported from Walla Walla to Spokane Wa via air ambulance.
She died yesterday.
After spending what? At a published $4K/day for ICU care w/ ventilation.......somewhere approaching $150K in hospital bills?
All preventable with a free shot at any local pharmacy.
When her daughter was asked: "Have you guys been vaccinated?" She answered: "No, we do not want to be tracked!"
"Oh, so you have destroyed your cell phone then?"
"Uh? What?"
Ignorance does abound!
even in your own post. the "vaccine" doesnt prevent you from getting covid
If Fox News would have been around in the 1950's, we would still be fighting polio. I'll bet that every one of you has a scar on your left arm from a small pox vaccine. Even Trump got himself vaccinated.
My condolences on the loss of your sister, I'm very sorry.
For the sake of your sister don't turn it political, she made a decision. She wasn't a sheeple, good for her, you should be proud.
To be honest, I think there is a lot of poor healthcare going on. My sister has COPD got the Covid and kicked its ass after 2 weeks in ICU. She credits her survival to the great care she was given by her doctors and nurses.
Prayers for you and your family.
"She wasn't a sheeple, good for her, you should be proud."???????????????? What is wrong with you? You are fuqk in the head.
The last week of May I posted that my younger sister (she would have been 64 next week) was in ICU with Covid.
The Covid triggered one cascading systemic failure after another. She spent about five weeks in ICU and was transported from Walla Walla to Spokane Wa via air ambulance.
She died yesterday.
After spending what? At a published $4K/day for ICU care w/ ventilation.......somewhere approaching $150K in hospital bills?
All preventable with a free shot at any local pharmacy.
When her daughter was asked: "Have you guys been vaccinated?" She answered: "No, we do not want to be tracked!"
"Oh, so you have destroyed your cell phone then?"
"Uh? What?"
Ignorance does abound!
even in your own post. the "vaccine" doesnt prevent you from getting covid
The last week of May I posted that my younger sister (she would have been 64 next week) was in ICU with Covid.
The Covid triggered one cascading systemic failure after another. She spent about five weeks in ICU and was transported from Walla Walla to Spokane Wa via air ambulance.
She died yesterday.
After spending what? At a published $4K/day for ICU care w/ ventilation.......somewhere approaching $150K in hospital bills?
All preventable with a free shot at any local pharmacy.
When her daughter was asked: "Have you guys been vaccinated?" She answered: "No, we do not want to be tracked!"
"Oh, so you have destroyed your cell phone then?"
"Uh? What?"
Ignorance does abound!
even in your own post. the "vaccine" doesnt prevent you from getting covid
The common wisdom is COVID risks are all equal. They are not. The risks increase with age and comorbidities. I doubt if it will be ever understood.
The risks most significantly increase in connection with Vitamin D3 deficiency. And, yes, many are dying of it due to doctors refusing to prescribe, or delaying the prescription of, the two treatments proven most effective against it, i.e., HCQ and Ivermectin.
Your post is perfect example of people hanging their hat on a single issue. Congratulations you set the curve.
The last week of May I posted that my younger sister (she would have been 64 next week) was in ICU with Covid.
The Covid triggered one cascading systemic failure after another. She spent about five weeks in ICU and was transported from Walla Walla to Spokane Wa via air ambulance.
She died yesterday.
After spending what? At a published $4K/day for ICU care w/ ventilation.......somewhere approaching $150K in hospital bills?
All preventable with a free shot at any local pharmacy.
When her daughter was asked: "Have you guys been vaccinated?" She answered: "No, we do not want to be tracked!"
"Oh, so you have destroyed your cell phone then?"
"Uh? What?"
Ignorance does abound!
My condolences for your loss.
And, you are correct that a free shot of vaccine would very likely have prevented this. While many seem paranoid about grossly exaggerating the side effects experienced by a tiny few, the reality is that 99.99% of those who receive a vaccine experience no side effects or very minor side effects.
And being tracked? For what? Having received the vaccine? Who cares?
And, if you are really concerned about being tracked, you are far too late.
You are being tracked by: - Your smart phone which is providing information about everywhere that you go. - Your newer car, which is recording through the GPS-equipped computer everywhere about your movements for warranty purposes, but which police can acquire through a court order. - High definition street cameras which record and archive your vehicle and plate and who is driving, and much about your movements in a city. - Police vehicles, which in many places, use rooftop scanners to scan license plates constantly in traffic, passively looking for those with outstanding warrants. - Your own shooting range, if it has a card entry system, which logs when you entered and left, which could again be acquired by police with a court order. - Practically every business, with security cameras. - Debit and credit cards, which allow stores to log every purchase and when and where it was made.
The last week of May I posted that my younger sister (she would have been 64 next week) was in ICU with Covid.
The Covid triggered one cascading systemic failure after another. She spent about five weeks in ICU and was transported from Walla Walla to Spokane Wa via air ambulance.
She died yesterday.
After spending what? At a published $4K/day for ICU care w/ ventilation.......somewhere approaching $150K in hospital bills?
All preventable with a free shot at any local pharmacy.
When her daughter was asked: "Have you guys been vaccinated?" She answered: "No, we do not want to be tracked!"
"Oh, so you have destroyed your cell phone then?"
"Uh? What?"
Ignorance does abound!
even in your own post. the "vaccine" doesnt prevent you from getting covid
So, according to your article, those who are vaccinated have a .00036% chance of dying from Covid.
And again, what was the chance that a person might die from Covid without the vaccine? .3%?
And how do those odds change with advancing age and presence other risk factors?
I like my odds with the vaccine. Like I said, there is nothing political about this argument. It is simply a question of health and what is most likely to kill YOU.
Sorry for your loss Shooter. I lost my older brother to cancer 1n 2014 he was 64. I'll never understand why the world refuses to hold the chi coms accountable. 50 years ago they would have been nuked for this blatant biological attack.
Sorry for your loss. I would be curious of what treatment she got. My son just got over it. The only way we new he had it was because he had mild symptoms so we had him tested. Positive. He basically had a mild cold for a week. His doctor refused to give him Ivermectin because he claims he didn't know the dosage and would be to afraid to be the first one to give it to a teenager. That was BS since there have been 4 billion doses given out to people world wide with 2 documented deaths. Definitely safer than the vaccine and it is given by weight. Many studies have been done that prove its effectiveness, but to many docs won't use it. They keep using the NIH as their source for not using it.
I buried my oldest brother yesterday. He died of COVID. He was in his seventies and had several comorbidities. They put him on the vent, and he never came off it.
The last week of May I posted that my younger sister (she would have been 64 next week) was in ICU with Covid.
The Covid triggered one cascading systemic failure after another. She spent about five weeks in ICU and was transported from Walla Walla to Spokane Wa via air ambulance.
She died yesterday.
After spending what? At a published $4K/day for ICU care w/ ventilation.......somewhere approaching $150K in hospital bills?
All preventable with a free shot at any local pharmacy.
When her daughter was asked: "Have you guys been vaccinated?" She answered: "No, we do not want to be tracked!"
"Oh, so you have destroyed your cell phone then?"
"Uh? What?"
Ignorance does abound!
I'm so very sorry for your loss. What a trail of tears.
Scientifically, no vaccine prevents an infection. All a vaccine can do is to educate your immune system to react faster to an infection, with varying degrees of effectiveness. Some vaccines are so effective, only a few % of people show any symptoms when infected. Others merely reduce the severity of the infection. Some vaccines offer life time "protection", some last but a few years, even months. As far as the C19 vaccines, we really don't have a good grasp on their "effectiveness", other than they seem to reduce hospitalization and morbidity, though they certainly don't eliminate it.
COVID is a fickle bitch, but your point is spot on: C19 has exposed a disastrous inability of our health care system to deal with new infections. The medical community is very good at rote memorization of huge piles of information, very good in following "standards of care" in order to avoid possible law suits, but very, very poor at reading original research papers and using current information to develop a treatment protocol for a patient. Many thousands have died due to the medical communities inability to incorporate the information about the effectiveness of proper nutrition (zinc, selenium, D3, Vit. C, etc) in reducing the severity of disease (ANY disease!). Let alone actual treatments like Ivermectin. Instead, they brayed in concert about masks and hand sanitizer. Shame.
Sorry for your loss Shooter. I lost my older brother to cancer 1n 2014 he was 64. I'll never understand why the world refuses to hold the chi coms accountable. 50 years ago they would have been nuked for this blatant biological attack.
Grizz, I concur. And I am sorry you lost your brother.
Regardless of how this thing got started, and regardless of what our government does or does not do in retaliation, it is us the private citizens of the world who have to live with the reality of the disease.
We each need to look at the risk factors for our demographic, and make wise choices based on facts, rather than political rhetoric and band standing.
A. Not one Covid vaccination has yet to be approved by the FDA.
Which tells us that no reasonable person should conclude that the "vaccines" are either safe or effective, since the FDA only certifies drugs as that after they have been scientifically confirmed to be so. Absent scientific confirmation, they will not do so, and have not.
It's a shame this has become so political nobody has independent accurate information. Unfortunately, she made a decision based on what she perceived to be the truth. In the end she paid for it. This whole thing just sucks. I'm truly sorry sir.
If they didn't give her Ivermectin, you should file a lawsuit.
Why would I file a lawsuit?
I am not a Democrat Communist looking for undeserved enrichment!
It's politically motivated murder if she was not prescribed Ivermectin and/or HCQ on the instant of being diagnosed with symptomatic COVID19.
Yep, the hospital likely killed my mom by refusing to even try Ivermectin despite my brothers and I pointing them to the FLCC website. If not for the incompetent, negligent care of the hospital, the Chinks and Dr Fauci, she'd most likely still be with us today. Unfortunately, I don't have the power to make the Chinks and Dr Fauchi pay for their treachery {and believe me I would if I could} but I do have the power to sue the living shyt out of the hospital and we are in the process of doing just that. Maybe if they get sued enough they'll treat the next person dying from covid with the proper protocol/medications.
A woman who works with my wife was fully vaccinated, yet she caught the Rona two months after her second dose. She was hospitalized but pulled through.
It is always helpful when a loved one is thoughtful enough to die so that you can immediately go to a message board and use her death as evidence of your superiority over the rubes who hang out there.
A. Not one Covid vaccination has yet to be approved by the FDA.
Which tells us that no reasonable person should conclude that the "vaccines" are either safe or effective, since the FDA only certifies drugs as that after they have been scientifically confirmed to be so. Absent scientific confirmation, they will not do so, and have not.
I beg your pardon?
The FDA has certified three Covid vaccination drugs. Dogcatcher223 is either misinformed or...well...
From the CDC CDC estimates that influenza was associated with more than 35.5 million illnesses, more than 16.5 million medical visits, 490,600 hospitalizations, and 34,200 deaths during the 2018–2019 influenza season. This burden was similar to estimated burden during the 2012–2013 influenza season1. Flu is seasonal, covid is not.
It is always helpful when a loved one is thoughtful enough to die so that you can immediately go to a message board and use her death as evidence of your superiority over the rubes who hang out there.
kind of how the anti-maker Kens and Karens come on the let everyone know how they berated some minimum wage store clerk or their mask policy. Or stormed past some senior citizen trying to earn a little extra checking receipts at Walmart. Yours is a pretty heartless post.
The last week of May I posted that my younger sister (she would have been 64 next week) was in ICU with Covid.
The Covid triggered one cascading systemic failure after another. She spent about five weeks in ICU and was transported from Walla Walla to Spokane Wa via air ambulance.
She died yesterday.
After spending what? At a published $4K/day for ICU care w/ ventilation.......somewhere approaching $150K in hospital bills?
All preventable with a free shot at any local pharmacy.
When her daughter was asked: "Have you guys been vaccinated?" She answered: "No, we do not want to be tracked!"
"Oh, so you have destroyed your cell phone then?"
"Uh? What?"
Ignorance does abound!
Im sorry for your loss, unfortunately your ignorance is believing that it is a vaccine, which it is not. No telling how it would turn out if she was vaccinated. You can thank China and the U.S. Gov for this cluster fug!
It is always helpful when a loved one is thoughtful enough to die so that you can immediately go to a message board and use her death as evidence of your superiority over the rubes who hang out there.
kind of how the anti-maker Kens and Karens come on the let everyone know how they berated some minimum wage store clerk or their mask policy. Or stormed past some senior citizen trying to earn a little extra checking receipts at Walmart. Yours is a pretty heartless post.
My condolences on the loss of your sister, I'm very sorry.
For the sake of your sister don't turn it political, she made a decision. She wasn't a sheeple, good for her, you should be proud.
To be honest, I think there is a lot of poor healthcare going on. My sister has COPD got the Covid and kicked its ass after 2 weeks in ICU. She credits her survival to the great care she was given by her doctors and nurses.
Prayers for you and your family.
"She wasn't a sheeple, good for her, you should be proud."???????????????? What is wrong with you? You are fuqk in the head.
Some people in this world are not afraid of dying for what they believe, I assume you're not one of them.
From the CDC CDC estimates that influenza was associated with more than 35.5 million illnesses, more than 16.5 million medical visits, 490,600 hospitalizations, and 34,200 deaths during the 2018–2019 influenza season. This burden was similar to estimated burden during the 2012–2013 influenza season1. Flu is seasonal, covid is not.
Covid deaths 592K. But it's just the flu.
When you count all deaths as being from COVID19, that's no great trick, particularly when you misuse the PCR test to find COVID19 in just about anyone you wish to find COVID19 in.
So, according to your article, those who are vaccinated have a .00036% chance of dying from Covid.
And again, what was the chance that a person might die from Covid without the vaccine? .3%?
And how do those odds change with advancing age and presence other risk factors?
I like my odds with the vaccine. Like I said, there is nothing political about this argument. It is simply a question of health and what is most likely to kill YOU.
Do you trust those numbers? I don't. We know what the risk factors are for Covid. My risk is all but zero. We do not know what the risk factors are for AEs from the vaxes. Why would someone at zero risk take a vax and the chance of having an AE? It's possible that your risk from Covid is zero and your risk from a vax is 100%. Do you know your risks?
I just had a neighbor almost die from blood clots. What was his risk level?
Yep, the hospital likely killed my mom by refusing to even try Ivermectin despite my brothers and I pointing them to the FLCC website. If not for the incompetent, negligent care of the hospital, the Chinks and Dr Fauci, she'd most likely still be with us today.
My condolences on the loss of your sister, I'm very sorry.
For the sake of your sister don't turn it political, she made a decision. She wasn't a sheeple, good for her, you should be proud.
To be honest, I think there is a lot of poor healthcare going on. My sister has COPD got the Covid and kicked its ass after 2 weeks in ICU. She credits her survival to the great care she was given by her doctors and nurses.
Prayers for you and your family.
"She wasn't a sheeple, good for her, you should be proud."???????????????? What is wrong with you? You are fuqk in the head.
Some people in this world are not afraid of dying for what they believe, I assume you're not one of them.
I think I will decide to believe today that if I take a hike down the center line of the freeway, that every rig will drive around me. ERR, maybe not.
Some beliefs are worth dying for. Other beliefs, not so much.
From the CDC CDC estimates that influenza was associated with more than 35.5 million illnesses, more than 16.5 million medical visits, 490,600 hospitalizations, and 34,200 deaths during the 2018–2019 influenza season. This burden was similar to estimated burden during the 2012–2013 influenza season1. Flu is seasonal, covid is not.
Covid deaths 592K. But it's just the flu.
the CDC....the same institution that says that gun ownership is a public ehalth crisis
Yep, the hospital likely killed my mom by refusing to even try Ivermectin despite my brothers and I pointing them to the FLCC website. If not for the incompetent, negligent care of the hospital, the Chinks and Dr Fauci, she'd most likely still be with us today.
Why didn't you give it to her? Its available OTC?
Sorry for your loss.
She was in the covid unit in the hospital. No visitors allowed.
It is always helpful when a loved one is thoughtful enough to die so that you can immediately go to a message board and use her death as evidence of your superiority over the rubes who hang out there.
Yep, the hospital likely killed my mom by refusing to even try Ivermectin despite my brothers and I pointing them to the FLCC website. If not for the incompetent, negligent care of the hospital, the Chinks and Dr Fauci, she'd most likely still be with us today.
Why didn't you give it to her? Its available OTC?
Sorry for your loss.
She was in the covid unit in the hospital. No visitors allowed.
They get paid well to “treat” and not much to cure.
I buried my oldest brother yesterday. He died of COVID. He was in his seventies and had several comorbidities. They put him on the vent, and he never came off it.
My condolences, I'm very sorry you lost your brother.
Before COVID19, folks died of the flu at about the same rate annually, and following the same pattern. You just never heard of it, because it was a mere statistic back then that you had to look up if you wanted to know about it.
Not to make light, of course. RIP. Sorry for your loss. When things like this hit home, or close to it, they suddenly become very real.
Are you that fuggin stupid that you think half a million people a year died from the flu? I'm guessin you got the covid and are experiencing some kind of neurological damage.
Yep, the hospital likely killed my mom by refusing to even try Ivermectin despite my brothers and I pointing them to the FLCC website. If not for the incompetent, negligent care of the hospital, the Chinks and Dr Fauci, she'd most likely still be with us today.
Why didn't you give it to her? Its available OTC?
Sorry for your loss.
She was in the covid unit in the hospital. No visitors allowed.
Yep, the hospital likely killed my mom by refusing to even try Ivermectin despite my brothers and I pointing them to the FLCC website. If not for the incompetent, negligent care of the hospital, the Chinks and Dr Fauci, she'd most likely still be with us today.
Why didn't you give it to her? Its available OTC?
Sorry for your loss.
She was in the covid unit in the hospital. No visitors allowed.
So you let her die because the head nurse said “no visitors” . What a dunce
It is always helpful when a loved one is thoughtful enough to die so that you can immediately go to a message board and use her death as evidence of your superiority over the rubes who hang out there.
kind of how the anti-maker Kens and Karens come on the let everyone know how they berated some minimum wage store clerk or their mask policy. Or stormed past some senior citizen trying to earn a little extra checking receipts at Walmart. Yours is a pretty heartless post.
No, it's nothing like that. Nice try though.
It is exactly like that. And exactly what the forum has come to expect from this contributer. C'est la vie.
even in your own post. the "vaccine" doesnt prevent you from getting covid
You misinterpret how the vaccine works. It prevents 95% from getting covid. It prevents nearly 100% being hospitalised or killed by it. Sure, it's not 100% prevention, but it's one hell of a lot better than the alternative, especially in this case.
i borrowed your opening post, for my facebook page. i and my wife had the two shots. i had comment from at least five doctors prior to them being administered. told them after they ALL said do it, if i didn't and then got sick, who would i blame?
The arguments above are fruitless, because the actual truthful statistics are unknown. There is so much BS out there, nothing is certain, or trustworthy. It changes daily, almost.
All opinions above are equally valid. Except probably the effectiveness of Iver./HCQ treatment. There seems to be sufficient evidence of its worthiness.
Did she get any Ivermectin or HCQ? Covid 19 is curable. The vaccine with not stop you from catching covid 19.
Why is it that you can chose whether or not to get the “vaccine” but you sure the phuqq can’t choose Ivermectin/HCQ?
That would be because the early studies that showed hope for these treatments were flawed and subsequent studies could not replicate the results. This is how science and medicine works. There is little credible evidence that they work, despite bizarre propaganda campaigns in their favour in certain circles.
I find it somewhat hypocritical that the same people who say "the fda hasn't approved these vaccines" (they have approved them - for emergency use) complain about nobody using Invermectin or Hydroxychloroquine, which have not been approved for treating covid.
even in your own post. the "vaccine" doesnt prevent you from getting covid
You misinterpret how the vaccine works. It prevents 95% from getting covid. It prevents nearly 100% being hospitalised or killed by it. Sure, it's not 100% prevention, but it's one hell of a lot better than the alternative, especially in this case.
an unaproved injection vs a virsu with a 99.7 percent survivability rating can you please tell me when ANYTHING the democrats have out forth has ever been to the benefit of society in the long run
the 'rona always sucks for those that get it and die. For the vast majority of other folks, it's not so bad. The death rate here in Florida hovers around .0015 of the total population. Scary stuff indeed.
The arguments above are fruitless, because the actual truthful statistics are unknown. There is so much BS out there, nothing is certain, or trustworthy. It changes daily, almost.
All opinions above are equally valid. Except probably the effectiveness of Iver./HCQ treatment. There seems to be sufficient evidence of its worthiness.
Sorry for the loss of your sis, IS.
"sufficient evidence"? The vast majority of the published studies do not support that.
even in your own post. the "vaccine" doesnt prevent you from getting covid
You misinterpret how the vaccine works. It prevents 95% from getting covid. It prevents nearly 100% being hospitalised or killed by it. Sure, it's not 100% prevention, but it's one hell of a lot better than the alternative, especially in this case.
an unaproved injection vs a virsu with a 99.7 percent survivability rating can you please tell me when ANYTHING the democrats have out forth has ever been to the benefit of society in the long run
I beg your pardon. I took the TRUMP vaccine. One of those developed under TRUMP's "Operation Warp Speed".
It is always helpful when a loved one is thoughtful enough to die so that you can immediately go to a message board and use her death as evidence of your superiority over the rubes who hang out there.
kind of how the anti-maker Kens and Karens come on the let everyone know how they berated some minimum wage store clerk or their mask policy. Or stormed past some senior citizen trying to earn a little extra checking receipts at Walmart. Yours is a pretty heartless post.
No, it's nothing like that. Nice try though.
It is exactly like that. And exactly what the forum has come to expect from this contributer. C'est la vie.
Before COVID19, folks died of the flu at about the same rate annually, and following the same pattern. You just never heard of it, because it was a mere statistic back then that you had to look up if you wanted to know about it.
Not to make light, of course. RIP. Sorry for your loss. When things like this hit home, or close to it, they suddenly become very real.
Are you that fuggin stupid that you think half a million people a year died from the flu? I'm guessin you got the covid and are experiencing some kind of neurological damage.
Most of the so called cases are phony, due to intentional misuse of the PCR test. Hospitals were getting bonuses based on the number of COVID19 patients they had, so they pumped up the test to guarantee large numbers of false positives.
Where have you been that you are not aware of this? People who died of gunshot wounds were being counted as COVID19 deaths.
even in your own post. the "vaccine" doesnt prevent you from getting covid
You misinterpret how the vaccine works. It prevents 95% from getting covid. It prevents nearly 100% being hospitalised or killed by it. Sure, it's not 100% prevention, but it's one hell of a lot better than the alternative, especially in this case.
an unaproved injection vs a virsu with a 99.7 percent survivability rating can you please tell me when ANYTHING the democrats have out forth has ever been to the benefit of society in the long run
The moderna vaccine at least was the product of Trump's warp speed program so I'm not sure how you associate it with the democrats. The death rate (IFR) for covid is only part of the equation. There is also the need to consider long term health effects, which is up to 20%. For example, a good friend of mine now has uncontrollable shaking in his hands due to nerve damage from covid and he led a very healthy life style.
The vaccines in fact have been approved (emergency approval for now) and have proven to be remarkably safe, especially the pfizer and moderna vaccines. More than half a million Americans have died from covid so far. Maybe a handful from the vaccine. Around the world, over 2 billion doses of vaccines have been injected.
Did she get any Ivermectin or HCQ? Covid 19 is curable. The vaccine with not stop you from catching covid 19.
Why is it that you can chose whether or not to get the “vaccine” but you sure the phuqq can’t choose Ivermectin/HCQ?
That would be because the early studies that showed hope for these treatments were flawed and subsequent studies could not replicate the results. This is how science and medicine works. There is little credible evidence that they work, despite bizarre propaganda campaigns in their favour in certain circles.
I find it somewhat hypocritical that the same people who say "the fda hasn't approved these vaccines" (they have approved them - for emergency use) complain about nobody using Invermectin or Hydroxychloroquine, which have not been approved for treating covid.
No the vaccine is under "emergency use authorization". The vaccine is not FDA approved
Has anyone else thought it odd how the process for distributing this vaccine sidestepped individual physician involvement?
Is it now “against the science” to involve ones’ Dr in decisions like these rather than a chain grocer who is financially encouraged to get everyone a shot?
The arguments above are fruitless, because the actual truthful statistics are unknown. There is so much BS out there, nothing is certain, or trustworthy. It changes daily, almost.
All opinions above are equally valid. Except probably the effectiveness of Iver./HCQ treatment. There seems to be sufficient evidence of its worthiness.
Sorry for the loss of your sis, IS.
"sufficient evidence"? The vast majority of the published studies do not support that.
That is not true. The only studies that show treatments to be ineffective are those studies that changed the regimens from the studies that showed efficacy.
It is always helpful when a loved one is thoughtful enough to die so that you can immediately go to a message board and use her death as evidence of your superiority over the rubes who hang out there.
kind of how the anti-maker Kens and Karens come on the let everyone know how they berated some minimum wage store clerk or their mask policy. Or stormed past some senior citizen trying to earn a little extra checking receipts at Walmart. Yours is a pretty heartless post.
No, it's nothing like that. Nice try though.
It is exactly like that. And exactly what the forum has come to expect from this contributer. C'est la vie.
Right. Immediately posting about the death of a family member or friend and dam near gleefully citing it as evidence that past rants and instance that covid is a serious threat were valid, is the same as complaining about an unpleasant encounter out in town with a masktard.
And this story is a good illustration as it being laughable that anyone is getting any accurate information on these subjects unless you look. If you go to google and type “18 teenagers hospitalized” all you get are stories about Covid variants infecting more young people. The same search on DuckDuckGo has the linked story as the top result.
No the vaccine is under "emergency use authorization". The vaccine is not FDA approved
Correct. And all an emergency authorization means is that the situation is deemed so dire, that they don't care if it's safe and/or effective, so long as there might be a chance that it will be. The false premise underlying the emergency authorization is that the situation is dire. It wasn't. It was pumped up so as to assist in ousting Trump from office.
One should take no comfort at all in an emergency authorization, as it assures nothing at all about safety and/or effectiveness.
No the vaccine is under "emergency use authorization". The vaccine is not FDA approved
FACT.
I'm not saying the vaccine is -or- isn't safe. The fact is, it has not been "approved" because the jury is still out. The millions that have taken it are the final test subjects. Nobody knows it's long term effects because it hasn't been around long term...
No the vaccine is under "emergency use authorization". The vaccine is not FDA approved
Correct. And all an emergency authorization means is that the situation is deemed so dire, that they don't care if it's safe and/or effective, so long as there might be a chance that it will be. The false premise underlying the emergency authorization is that the situation is dire. It wasn't. It was pumped up so as to assist in ousting Trump from office.
One should take no comfort at all in an emergency authorization, as it assures nothing at all about safety and/or effectiveness.
I don't believe that a mRNA vaccine has ever been successfully been used before
No the vaccine is under "emergency use authorization". The vaccine is not FDA approved
FACT.
I'm not saying the vaccine is -or- isn't safe. The fact is, it has not been "approved" because the jury is still out. The millions that have taken it are the final test subjects. Nobody knows it's long term effects because it hasn't been around long term...
One should take no comfort at all in an emergency authorization, as it assures nothing at all about safety and/or effectiveness.
Would its (FDA) approval change your mind on getting the shot?
No, but I would have a much harder sell for my position if that were the case, unless they decided to sidestep their usual approval standards in order to approve it.
Hard to get an exact number but somewhere around 9K to 10K have died from the vaccine. There are several 100K crippled or maned for life. These numbers are a small percentage of all the vaccine given. Then again 99.8% is the survival rate for those who catch covid 19. It is still a person's choice whether get the vaccine or not. Ivermectin and HCQ has save millions around the world. Just makes me made thinking about all the people who could been saved. I can not prove any numbers because as soon as a report pops up the media and powers delete it.
No the vaccine is under "emergency use authorization". The vaccine is not FDA approved
FACT.
I'm not saying the vaccine is -or- isn't safe. The fact is, it has not been "approved" because the jury is still out. The millions that have taken it are the final test subjects. Nobody knows it's long term effects because it hasn't been around long term...
I agree. Waiting for results from the test group doesn't mean I'm trying to be unsafe. In my opinion, I have an excellent chance of survival with or without the vaccine. I'm waiting to see if the cure is more dangerous than the disease. The fact that the government has incentives and prizes to get you inoculated raises red flags and concerns. I'll wait and see thank you.
If someone wants the vaccine...go ahead. If you don't...that's ok too. Make your own decision and be prepared for the consequence.
And the manufacturer’s can’t be sued for side effects or death from it.
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Can a manufacturer of ANY vaccine be sued for injury or death caused by their vaccine? Be it MMR, polio, tetanus, chicken pox, shingles, etc, etc, etc?
Or has our government determined that the reward of having a vaccinated population outweighs the risk to the individual and removed liability from all manufacturers of vaccine?
Before COVID19, folks died of the flu at about the same rate annually, and following the same pattern. You just never heard of it, because it was a mere statistic back then that you had to look up if you wanted to know about it.
Not to make light, of course. RIP. Sorry for your loss. When things like this hit home, or close to it, they suddenly become very real.
Are you that fuggin stupid that you think half a million people a year died from the flu? I'm guessin you got the covid and are experiencing some kind of neurological damage.
sorry your sister died. know that sucks.
now to this clown. Are you that phugging stupid to believe 1/2 a million died solely from covid? Everyone who died, whether it be from gun shot, blunt force trauma, heart issues, car accidents, cancer were tested to see if their bodies contained particles of the covid virus.
post the death rate of heart issues, cancers, diabetes, drug over doses, the common flu for 2020 for Canada and the US dumb goober
And the manufacturer’s can’t be sued for side effects or death from it.
Sign me up!
Can a manufacturer of ANY vaccine be sued for injury or death caused by their vaccine? Be it MMR, polio, tetanus, chicken pox, shingles, etc, etc, etc?
Or has our government determined that the reward of having a vaccinated population outweighs the risk to the individual and removed liability from all manufacturers of vaccine?
But the WORLD decided in all of it's current wokeness that everyone and everything had to be shut down so not to hurt anyone's or groups[ethnicity, co-morbidities, age etc] feelings.[with the exception of China, of course]
Hindsight is 20/20, Trump should have told all of the woke-aristas to pound sand.
Elderly and those with certain co-morbids, lock it down.
We still don't know anyone who has died from the China flu without any other underlying health conditions. After almost dieing of the flu - pneumonia in 2014 because of complications caused by my COPD and a respirator, my doctor told me to lay off the sugar and take vitamin C, D and a multi vitamin daily. I haven't been sick since and sure as he'll don't see any reason to take the vaccine as a preventative. I have hydroxychlorine and ivermectin in the medicine cabinet just in case. My uneducated guess is, those who wore mask or still do and did the social distancing BS think the so called China flu vaccine is a cure all.
But the WORLD decided in all of it's current wokeness that everyone and everything had to be shut down so not to hurt anyone's or groups[ethnicity, co-morbidities, age etc] feelings.[with the exception of China, of course]
Hindsight is 20/20, Trump should have told all of the woke-aristas to pound sand.
Elderly and those with certain co-morbids, lock it down.
Agreed!
If'n I was king, I would have closed those virus factories known US Public Schools from mid March 2020 through Sept 2020. And that is all I would have closed.
Since when has it been mandatory that .gov supply people with a baby sitter for and feed their children anyway?
Messenger RNA (mRNA) is a single-stranded RNA molecule that is complementary to one of the DNA strands of a gene. The mRNA is an RNA version of the gene that leaves the cell nucleus and moves to the cytoplasm where proteins are made. During protein synthesis, an organelle called a ribosome moves along the mRNA, reads its base sequence, and uses the genetic code to translate each three-base triplet, or codon, into its corresponding amino acid.
While an mRNA vaccine has never been on the market anywhere in the world, mRNA vaccines have been tested in humans before, for at least four infectious diseases: rabies, influenza, cytomegalovirus, and Zika
And the manufacturer’s can’t be sued for side effects or death from it.
Sign me up!
Can a manufacturer of ANY vaccine be sued for injury or death caused by their vaccine? Be it MMR, polio, tetanus, chicken pox, shingles, etc, etc, etc?
Or has our government determined that the reward of having a vaccinated population outweighs the risk to the individual and removed liability from all manufacturers of vaccine?
I believe this was a special case. Normally makers are subject to lawsuit for adverse reactions. Not in this case.
And the manufacturer’s can’t be sued for side effects or death from it.
Sign me up!
Can a manufacturer of ANY vaccine be sued for injury or death caused by their vaccine? Be it MMR, polio, tetanus, chicken pox, shingles, etc, etc, etc?
Or has our government determined that the reward of having a vaccinated population outweighs the risk to the individual and removed liability from all manufacturers of vaccine?
I believe this was a special case. Normally makers are subject to lawsuit for adverse reactions. Not in this case.
Look it up. Vaccine makers have been immune to law suits (with some restrictions) and financial restitution is provided by the government:
42 U.S. Code § 300aa–22 - Standards of responsibility
This applies to all FDA approved vaccines and is good public policy.
And the manufacturer’s can’t be sued for side effects or death from it.
Sign me up!
Can a manufacturer of ANY vaccine be sued for injury or death caused by their vaccine? Be it MMR, polio, tetanus, chicken pox, shingles, etc, etc, etc?
Or has our government determined that the reward of having a vaccinated population outweighs the risk to the individual and removed liability from all manufacturers of vaccine?
I believe this was a special case. Normally makers are subject to lawsuit for adverse reactions. Not in this case.
Look it up. Vaccine makers have been immune to law suits (with some restrictions) and financial restitution is provided by the government:
42 U.S. Code § 300aa–22 - Standards of responsibility
This applies to all FDA approved vaccines and is good public policy.
Yeah, but the Covid vaccines are not part of that program and won’t be until at least 2024. Anyone harmed by a Covid vaccine goes through an alternate program heretofore utilized for things like the H1N1 vaccine. There are much stricter reporting guidelines with shorter deadlines and smaller payouts. Look it up. They can’t be part of the program set up in 42 USC because they can’t meet the requirements, the most noteworthy of which is to provide a thorough list of all the known side effects and dangers so that the patient can make an informed decision. Every package of a normal vaccine comes with a little booklet listing all the known health effects. The covid vaccines basically come with a blank sheet of paper.
Yep, the hospital likely killed my mom by refusing to even try Ivermectin despite my brothers and I pointing them to the FLCC website. If not for the incompetent, negligent care of the hospital, the Chinks and Dr Fauci, she'd most likely still be with us today.
Why didn't you give it to her? Its available OTC?
Sorry for your loss.
She was in the covid unit in the hospital. No visitors allowed.
So you let her die because the head nurse said “no visitors” . What a dunce
They called security on my brother when he tried to enter the covid unit. You are without a doubt a very special kind of ass hole.
The arguments above are fruitless, because the actual truthful statistics are unknown. There is so much BS out there, nothing is certain, or trustworthy. It changes daily, almost.
All opinions above are equally valid. Except probably the effectiveness of Iver./HCQ treatment. There seems to be sufficient evidence of its worthiness.
Sorry for the loss of your sis, IS.
"sufficient evidence"? The vast majority of the published studies do not support that.
And the manufacturer’s can’t be sued for side effects or death from it.
Sign me up!
Can a manufacturer of ANY vaccine be sued for injury or death caused by their vaccine? Be it MMR, polio, tetanus, chicken pox, shingles, etc, etc, etc?
Or has our government determined that the reward of having a vaccinated population outweighs the risk to the individual and removed liability from all manufacturers of vaccine?
I believe this was a special case. Normally makers are subject to lawsuit for adverse reactions. Not in this case.
Look it up. Vaccine makers have been immune to law suits (with some restrictions) and financial restitution is provided by the government:
42 U.S. Code § 300aa–22 - Standards of responsibility
This applies to all FDA approved vaccines and is good public policy.
why is not allowing the manufacturers to be held accountable "good policy"
you probably lie the fact drs. aren't held iable either dont you
lol. can't even interpret laws correctly. Stay in Canada where your incompetent liberal govt keep screwing everything as always because idiots like you keep voting for Trudeau
Originally Posted by MikeReilly
Originally Posted by Mannlicher
Originally Posted by Idaho_Shooter
Originally Posted by SandBilly
And the manufacturer’s can’t be sued for side effects or death from it.
Sign me up!
Can a manufacturer of ANY vaccine be sued for injury or death caused by their vaccine? Be it MMR, polio, tetanus, chicken pox, shingles, etc, etc, etc?
Or has our government determined that the reward of having a vaccinated population outweighs the risk to the individual and removed liability from all manufacturers of vaccine?
I believe this was a special case. Normally makers are subject to lawsuit for adverse reactions. Not in this case.
Look it up. Vaccine makers have been immune to law suits (with some restrictions) and financial restitution is provided by the government:
42 U.S. Code § 300aa–22 - Standards of responsibility
This applies to all FDA approved vaccines and is good public policy.
Hard to get an exact number but somewhere around 9K to 10K have died from the vaccine. There are several 100K crippled or maned for life. These numbers are a small percentage of all the vaccine given. Then again 99.8% is the survival rate for those who catch covid 19. It is still a person's choice whether get the vaccine or not. Ivermectin and HCQ has save millions around the world. Just makes me made thinking about all the people who could been saved. I can not prove any numbers because as soon as a report pops up the media and powers delete it.
Just think of the amount of blood on the hands of the people behind those polices in social media.
One thing is certain, the net gives nutty kooks no one would listen to before, a soapbox to stand on, enabling them enough that a family death is inconsequential if they can spew their bile out loud to the world.
Has anyone else thought it odd how the process for distributing this vaccine sidestepped individual physician involvement?
Is it now “against the science” to involve ones’ Dr in decisions like these rather than a chain grocer who is financially encouraged to get everyone a shot?
I noticed that. My bride is an RN-NP in a clinic that sees 300 or more patients a week and they give immunizations for a good many things but not CV-19.
Originally Posted by 700LH
One thing is certain, the net gives nutty kooks no one would listen to before, a soapbox to stand on, enabling them enough that a family death is inconsequential if they can spew their bile out loud to the world.
700LH: Question, since kids are almost never affected with this, do you object to people choosing not to get vaccinated? Do you object to people mentioning their apprehensions to others since we could all admit there are a lot of unknowns with this concoction?
Idaho Shooter: I have known three people that have contracted the wuhan red death and died - only one resided here in Montana. I have NEVER opted for a flu shot in my life (long life at that!) but I did sign up early and often for the Covid inoculations. No side effects for me and I feel somewhat safe from the wuhan red death. Looking forward to the possibly upcoming booster shot as well. I am so sorry for the loss of your sister! I also wish she had been inoculated - it may have saved her relatively young life! May she rest in peace. Stay strong. Hold into the wind VarmintGuy
Idaho Shooter: I have known three people that have contracted the wuhan red death and died - only one resided here in Montana. I have NEVER opted for a flu shot in my life (long life at that!) but I did sign up early and often for the Covid inoculations. No side effects for me and I feel somewhat safe from the wuhan red death. Looking forward to the possibly upcoming booster shot as well. I am so sorry for the loss of your sister! I also wish she had been inoculated - it may have saved her relatively young life! May she rest in peace. Stay strong. Hold into the wind VarmintGuy
^^^^^^^^^^ Just cemented his legacy on the Fire as a Covtard
Has anyone else thought it odd how the process for distributing this vaccine sidestepped individual physician involvement?
Is it now “against the science” to involve ones’ Dr in decisions like these rather than a chain grocer who is financially encouraged to get everyone a shot?
I noticed that. My bride is an RN-NP in a clinic that sees 300 or more patients a week and they give immunizations for a good many things but not CV-19.
Originally Posted by 700LH
One thing is certain, the net gives nutty kooks no one would listen to before, a soapbox to stand on, enabling them enough that a family death is inconsequential if they can spew their bile out loud to the world.
700LH: Question, since kids are almost never affected with this, do you object to people choosing not to get vaccinated? Do you object to people mentioning their apprehensions to others since we could all admit there are a lot of unknowns with this concoction?
I could care less what others choose to do about getting the vaccination,
I just wish they would get off their damn soapbox and STFU.
It's gets beyond old.
Apologies to IS for getting involved on a thread about the death of a loved one
Hard to get an exact number but somewhere around 9K to 10K have died from the vaccine. There are several 100K crippled or maned for life. These numbers are a small percentage of all the vaccine given. Then again 99.8% is the survival rate for those who catch covid 19. It is still a person's choice whether get the vaccine or not. Ivermectin and HCQ has save millions around the world. Just makes me made thinking about all the people who could been saved. I can not prove any numbers because as soon as a report pops up the media and powers delete it.
This is the most sound and direct post on here. catching covid isn't voluntary, the vaccine is (so far). I survived the rona just fine, why would I roll the dice again with a vaccine?
those that sold the panic are selling the cure, remember that. They are also the ones who suppressed all evidence of other treatments. Hydroxychloroquine they said no to until they said it was ok, how many would have been saved? overlooking ivomec? how many could have been saved? FYI those are the ones saying the vaccine is the only hope and they get a kickback from every dose administered.
Condolences to the OP for the loss of your sister.
Before COVID19, folks died of the flu at about the same rate annually, and following the same pattern. You just never heard of it, because it was a mere statistic back then that you had to look up if you wanted to know about it.
Not to make light, of course. RIP. Sorry for your loss. When things like this hit home, or close to it, they suddenly become very real.
I'm sorry about your loss, but the above is the real truth of the matter...............made even more real if you subtract most of the deaths in nursing home from sending infected person there in the early stages of the outbreak.
I could care less what others choose to do about getting the vaccination,
I just wish they would get off their damn soapbox and STFU.
It's gets beyond old.
Apologies to IS for getting involved on a thread about the death of a loved one
So you’re objecting to the OP.
Makes sense.
Are you really that stupid or just pretending?
I was stupid to give you the benefit of the doubt and think that you actually meant what you said, vs actually meaning that you didn’t like people repeating opinions that didn’t align with your own.
[/quote] I could care less what others choose to do about getting the vaccination,
I just wish they would get off their damn soapbox and STFU.
It's gets beyond old.
Apologies to IS for getting involved on a thread about the death of a loved one[/quote]
Zero the Gay Blade, you are a total dumazz Covidiot. Evidently you suffer from cognitive dissonance and an inflated ego. The solution is simple: if you see any threads on Covid or vaccines, DONT CLICK ON THE TITLE OR READ THE POSTS! How simple is that?!! But you won’t. A fool just likes venting his dumb convictions and criticizing others that disagree with his pre-conceived, erroneous notions. You said you “don’t give a damn who gets the vaccine or not”. That is a complete falsehood and you know it. If you didn’t care one way or the other you wouldn’t keep spouting off your uninformed opinions to try to soothe your narcissistic psyche. You do this because you made a foolish decision to take an experimental, unproven gene therapy jab, and you are now a scared little man that realizes he made a dumb mistake. Others on this forum ACTUALLY DO CARE ABOUT OTHERS, and try to warn them on the injuries and deaths that these so-called “vaccines” are causing on a massive scale worldwide! “Anti-vaccers” make your vagina feel threatened, bottom line, period! (Pun absolutely intentional). How about YOU step off your Tampon Box and STFU? Arrogant libtard! BTW, my condolences to the many people on this forum who have suffered the loss of family or friends
even in your own post. the "vaccine" doesnt prevent you from getting covid
Yes, you are correct. The vaccine is proven to prevent Covid infections in only 95% of recipients.
The other 5% only get the benefit of light cases with minimal symptoms.
Politics has nothing to do with this! This is a health choice.
Idaho sorry for your loss. To wanting to argue with you but I’m curious,, and this is my total arguement on the whole mask vaccine debate. If you have your shot you are “saved” but can still catch it( maybe at a lighter degree), still transmit it and until recently still had to wear a mask. So shouldn’t peo0le been “told” when u get the vaccine wait your wait8ng period and you are free to go mask free? Not keep masked up?
Covid has killed 4 people I know. 3 were older 1 was 10 years younger than me and he used to service My home AC unit. Some people don't know they have it but it does kill some people. And you can't be sure it won't be you.
I wonder why the powers that be are so anxious to have everyone vaccinated. It looks to me like they could just say "we have concocted this "vaccine" as quickly as we could. It may or may not work but you can have it for free but we must remind you this is a new type of vaccine and we have made it illegal to sue for damages if you are hurt by this injection. We don't think it will necessarily stop you from getting the disease but it may make it less severe. As to long term harm, we don't know and that is why we granted immunity to the entities making this stuff.''
With all the hoopla and push to get vaccinated and the implied social stigma and even penalties for those choosing to opt out there is something nefarious going on I fear. And we all know someone(s) is making a pile of money. And we know the fear of the relatively mild disease was used with quite a huge success to harvest millions of votes that supposedly came from people who were avoiding the exposure of voting in person.
I don't know all the ins and outs of the motives for this big push and hysteria but I'm positive it is not out of concern for the health and welfare of the citizenry.
I'm not sure why anyone cares if you get the shot or not if they are already vaccinated??? I couldn't care less if my neighbor never got his smallpox or polio vaccine. I did...
I wonder why the powers that be are so anxious to have everyone vaccinated. It looks to me like they could just say "we have concocted this "vaccine" as quickly as we could. It may or may not work but you can have it for free but we must remind you this is a new type of vaccine and we have made it illegal to sue for damages if you are hurt by this injection. We don't think it will necessarily stop you from getting the disease but it may make it less severe. As to long term harm, we don't know and that is why we granted immunity to the entities making this stuff.''
If they were honest and trustworthy, that's exactly the approach they would take, which makes savvy people highly suspicious that their approach is quite the contrary to this.
With all the hoopla and push to get vaccinated and the implied social stigma and even penalties for those choosing to opt out there is something nefarious going on I fear. And we all know someone(s) is making a pile of money. And we know the fear of the relatively mild disease was used with quite a huge success to harvest millions of votes that supposedly came from people who were avoiding the exposure of voting in person.
I don't know all the ins and outs of the motives for this big push and hysteria but I'm positive it is not out of concern for the health and welfare of the citizenry.
I'm not sure why anyone cares if you get the shot or not if they are already vaccinated??? I couldn't care less if my neighbor never got his smallpox or polio vaccine. I did...
Which fact should tell you something is very wrong with the whole thing.
I could care less what others choose to do about getting the vaccination,
I just wish they would get off their damn soapbox and STFU.
It's gets beyond old.
Apologies to IS for getting involved on a thread about the death of a loved one
So you’re objecting to the OP.
Makes sense.
Are you really that stupid or just pretending?
I was stupid to give you the benefit of the doubt and think that you actually meant what you said, vs actually meaning that you didn’t like people repeating opinions that didn’t align with your own.
I think that there are vested interests taking advantage of the situation, as with many things (power, control, profit), but also that governments don't want to be seen doing too little the 'keep the people safe' and face a backlash.
I think that are vested interests taking advantage of the situation, as with many things (power, control, profit), but also that governments don't want to be seen doing too little the 'keep the people safe' and face a backlash.
Our government could care less about "backlash" they stole the fuuckin election... they don't care .... oh and the used the covid paranoia to do it.... yet people here still go on and on.... fools
Because the real, hard, facts don't support the hysteria imposed on us by the elites. No greater number are dying. Deaths are merely being attributed now to COVID19 rather than their real causes. The purpose of the hysteria is to usher in a Great Reset on Western (read White) nations.
I was stupid to give you the benefit of the doubt and think that you actually meant what you said, vs actually meaning that you didn’t like people repeating opinions that didn’t align with your own.
Won’t happen again.
put me on ignore make yourself happy
Appreciate the offer but I’m not the one who is unable to process thru other points of view.
Thanks for confirming your dishonesty tho; the first step is recognizing the problem. There is hope for you yet!
I think that are vested interests taking advantage of the situation, as with many things (power, control, profit), but also that governments don't want to be seen doing too little the 'keep the people safe' and face a backlash.
I was stupid to give you the benefit of the doubt and think that you actually meant what you said, vs actually meaning that you didn’t like people repeating opinions that didn’t align with your own.
Won’t happen again.
put me on ignore make yourself happy
Appreciate the offer but I’m not the one who is unable to process thru other points of view.
Thanks for confirming your dishonesty tho; the first step is recognizing the problem. There is hope for you yet!
I was stupid to give you the benefit of the doubt and think that you actually meant what you said, vs actually meaning that you didn’t like people repeating opinions that didn’t align with your own.
Won’t happen again.
put me on ignore make yourself happy
Appreciate the offer but I’m not the one who is unable to process thru other points of view.
Thanks for confirming your dishonesty tho; the first step is recognizing the problem. There is hope for you yet!
your reading comprehension sucks, and BTW fug you
That's kinda mean.... but coming from a moron it means nothing.....
Proves there is no justice in the world, shoulda been you
Originally Posted by Idaho_Shooter
Except when it is not.
The last week of May I posted that my younger sister (she would have been 64 next week) was in ICU with Covid.
The Covid triggered one cascading systemic failure after another. She spent about five weeks in ICU and was transported from Walla Walla to Spokane Wa via air ambulance.
She died yesterday.
After spending what? At a published $4K/day for ICU care w/ ventilation.......somewhere approaching $150K in hospital bills?
All preventable with a free shot at any local pharmacy.
When her daughter was asked: "Have you guys been vaccinated?" She answered: "No, we do not want to be tracked!"
Proves there is no justice in the world, shoulda been you
Originally Posted by Idaho_Shooter
Except when it is not.
The last week of May I posted that my younger sister (she would have been 64 next week) was in ICU with Covid.
The Covid triggered one cascading systemic failure after another. She spent about five weeks in ICU and was transported from Walla Walla to Spokane Wa via air ambulance.
She died yesterday.
After spending what? At a published $4K/day for ICU care w/ ventilation.......somewhere approaching $150K in hospital bills?
All preventable with a free shot at any local pharmacy.
When her daughter was asked: "Have you guys been vaccinated?" She answered: "No, we do not want to be tracked!"
"Oh, so you have destroyed your cell phone then?"
"Uh? What?"
Ignorance does abound!
Idaho shooter is full of scheit. The covid “triggered” one system failure after another. A “published” $4k/day for ICU.... GFY
I wonder why the powers that be are so anxious to have everyone vaccinated. It looks to me like they could just say "we have concocted this "vaccine" as quickly as we could. It may or may not work but you can have it for free but we must remind you this is a new type of vaccine and we have made it illegal to sue for damages if you are hurt by this injection. We don't think it will necessarily stop you from getting the disease but it may make it less severe. As to long term harm, we don't know and that is why we granted immunity to the entities making this stuff.''
With all the hoopla and push to get vaccinated and the implied social stigma and even penalties for those choosing to opt out there is something nefarious going on I fear. And we all know someone(s) is making a pile of money. And we know the fear of the relatively mild disease was used with quite a huge success to harvest millions of votes that supposedly came from people who were avoiding the exposure of voting in person.
I don't know all the ins and outs of the motives for this big push and hysteria but I'm positive it is not out of concern for the health and welfare of the citizenry.
^^^ These are words of common sense/life-experience wisdom
I think that there are vested interests taking advantage of the situation, as with many things (power, control, profit), but also that governments don't want to be seen doing too little the 'keep the people safe' and face a backlash.
Profit.
And control, authorities of many persuasions love regulation and control.
Because the real, hard, facts don't support the hysteria imposed on us by the elites. No greater number are dying. Deaths are merely being attributed now to COVID19 rather than their real causes. The purpose of the hysteria is to usher in a Great Reset on Western (read White) nations.
Don't let these clowns get you down man, it is good that someone takes one for the team...I for one most certainly do appreciate your decision to be a voluntary test subject.
Don't let these clowns get you down man, it is good that someone takes one for the team...I for one most certainly do appreciate your decision to be a voluntary test subject.
Client of ours and his family elected to not get the vaccine. His dad died last week from Covid. His step mom died this Tuesday from Covid. Client now has Covid but got the monoclonal antibody treatment as soon as he tested hot and so far appears okay.
I guess it’s a personal choice just like wearing a condom.
Personally I would rather act in a prophylactic manner and avoid catching the crud.
At this point I don’t think many educated people are questioning the efficacy of the vaccine.
Client of ours and his family elected to not get the vaccine. His dad died last week from Covid. His step mom died this Tuesday from Covid. Client now has Covid but got the monoclonal antibody treatment as soon as he tested hot and so far appears okay.
I guess it’s a personal choice just like wearing a condom.
Personally I would rather act in a prophylactic manner and avoid catching the crud.
At this point I don’t think many educated people are questioning the efficacy of the vaccine.
Client of ours and his family elected to not get the vaccine. His dad died last week from Covid. His step mom died this Tuesday from Covid. Client now has Covid but got the monoclonal antibody treatment as soon as he tested hot and so far appears okay.
I guess it’s a personal choice just like wearing a condom.
Personally I would rather act in a prophylactic manner and avoid catching the crud.
At this point I don’t think many educated people are questioning the efficacy of the vaccine.
At this point I don’t think many educated people are questioning the efficacy of the vaccine.
Exactly right. Maybe it will ultimately be a case of dummazzes thinning themselves out. Many of these fools believe any fake news Putin pays to run on facebook. etc etc.
At this point I don’t think many educated people are questioning the efficacy of the vaccine.
Exactly right. Maybe it will ultimately be a case of dummazzes thinning themselves out. Many of these fools believe any fake news Putin pays to run on facebook. etc etc.
At this point I don’t think many educated people are questioning the efficacy of the vaccine.
Exactly right. Maybe it will ultimately be a case of dummazzes thinning themselves out. Many of these fools believe any fake news Putin pays to run on facebook. etc etc.
99.7 percent survival rate WITH their fake numbers you F’n idiot.
At this point I don’t think many educated people are questioning the efficacy of the vaccine.
You are incorrect. I think many millions of educated people are electing to not be "vaccinated''. I am close friends with several medical doctors that aren't taking this injection and I know RNs that aren't. I will grant that the majority are taking it but there are lots of educated folks and also a bunch of us unwashed, uncircumcised Philistines that aren't jumping off this cliff. If it was Ebola I might understand the panic but this doesn't do much more than colds and flu.
At this point I don’t think many educated people are questioning the efficacy of the vaccine.
Exactly right. Maybe it will ultimately be a case of dummazzes thinning themselves out. Many of these fools believe any fake news Putin pays to run on facebook. etc etc.
One thing is certain not all but many anti vaxers have gone mental, kinda like gone missing. The lights are on, but nobody's home
I think that would be a fair characterization of many on the pro ''vaccine'' side of the issue as well. Most of the folks that fear the vaccine is at best useless and at worst dangerous are not berating those that chose the injection, but instead are asking unvaccinated people to slow down and look the downside possibilities. It seems the pro vaccine people are in a way very rabid in criticizing adults who plan on not getting the vaccine. Here's hoping the 'vaccine'' works, we get rid of Biden/Harris, and everyone lives happily ever after.
What I think is the height of stupidity in this thread is the assumption both sides make that the other side is stupid.
Up until 14 January, I would have been 1st in line for any vaccine if it had been offered. Then I started coughing at work one day. The plant manager called me that night and told me my buddy in the next office had caught the disease and I needed to quarantine. The next day, I started running a serious fever. Someone on here recommended a treatment of Zinc, Quinine, and Vitamin D, and I started getting relief in about 24 hours. I was back to work in February, feeling like I'd been hit by a truck. Everyone else in the house got it as well. At work, everyone of our management got it. Our second shift supervisor died from it.
Here it is almost June, and I am still feeling the effects. That was a serious hole. I still don't have my stamina back. I am also still having night sweats. The latter is a fairly common after-effect with me. I've had pneumonia a few times, and for up to 6 months after, I sweat heavily in the wee hours. The reason I mention this is that my body is still reacting to the disease. It's okay. I'm not complaining. I just know something big happened.
My point is: what does a guy do after that? Rush out and get stuck twice, because the government says it's a good idea? These are the same yahoos that say I don't need assault weapons and that I'm too white. They say we can spend ourselves to prosperity and that we need to ditch gasoline-driven cars. Do I go get stuck twice because some yahoo on the 'Fire says I'm stupid if I don't? Look, I'm sorry about somebody's sister and all. I know people that died in this as well. If someone would show me a good reason to get stuck with something that requires that I trust my government, versus trust the various processes that are going on in my body as we speak-- processes I have to trust either way, regardless of my choices-- I might choose to get stuck. Just don't call me stupid and expect me to line up.
What I think is the height of stupidity in this thread is the assumption both sides make that the other side is stupid.
Up until 14 January, I would have been 1st in line for any vaccine if it had been offered. Then I started coughing at work one day. The plant manager called me that night and told me my buddy in the next office had caught the disease and I needed to quarantine. The next day, I started running a serious fever. Someone on here recommended a treatment of Zinc, Quinine, and Vitamin D, and I started getting relief in about 24 hours. I was back to work in February, feeling like I'd been hit by a truck. Everyone else in the house got it as well. At work, everyone of our management got it. Our second shift supervisor died from it.
Here it is almost June, and I am still feeling the effects. That was a serious hole. I still don't have my stamina back. I am also still having night sweats. The latter is a fairly common after-effect with me. I've had pneumonia a few times, and for up to 6 months after, I sweat heavily in the wee hours. The reason I mention this is that my body is still reacting to the disease. It's okay. I'm not complaining. I just know something big happened.
My point is: what does a guy do after that? Rush out and get stuck twice, because the government says it's a good idea? These are the same yahoos that say I don't need assault weapons and that I'm too white. They say we can spend ourselves to prosperity and that we need to ditch gasoline-driven cars. Do I go get stuck twice because some yahoo on the 'Fire says I'm stupid if I don't? Look, I'm sorry about somebody's sister and all. I know people that died in this as well. If someone would show me a good reason to get stuck with something that requires that I trust my government, versus trust the various processes that are going on in my body as we speak-- processes I have to trust either way, regardless of my choices-- I might choose to get stuck. Just don't call me stupid and expect me to line up.
I am waiting to see how the test subjects go before any serious decision either way.
Carlson wanted to know how many people have died from getting the COVID vaccine:
“We checked today. Here’s the answer, which comes from the same set of government numbers that we just listed: Between late December of 2020, and last month, a total of 3,362 people apparently died after getting the COVID vaccines in the United States. Three thousand, three hundred and sixty-two — that’s an average of 30 people every day. So, what does that add up to? By the way, that reporting period ended on April 23. We don’t have numbers past that, we’re not quite up to date. But we can assume that another 360 people have died in the 12 days since. That is a total of 3,722 deaths. Almost four thousand people died after getting the COVID vaccines. The actual number is almost certainly much higher than that — perhaps vastly higher.”
Why isn’t anyone talking about this? Do doctors and other medical professionals now understand that you’re not supposed to talk about anything that goes against the Woke Supremacy’s COVID stance? We’re talking about our own lives here.
Call me stupid, selfish, dangerous--whatever you want. I'd say 10X the normal number of deaths from a flu shot is worth taking pause.
Carlson wanted to know how many people have died from getting the COVID vaccine:
“We checked today. Here’s the answer, which comes from the same set of government numbers that we just listed: Between late December of 2020, and last month, a total of 3,362 people apparently died after getting the COVID vaccines in the United States. Three thousand, three hundred and sixty-two — that’s an average of 30 people every day. So, what does that add up to? By the way, that reporting period ended on April 23. We don’t have numbers past that, we’re not quite up to date. But we can assume that another 360 people have died in the 12 days since. That is a total of 3,722 deaths. Almost four thousand people died after getting the COVID vaccines. The actual number is almost certainly much higher than that — perhaps vastly higher.”
Why isn’t anyone talking about this? Do doctors and other medical professionals now understand that you’re not supposed to talk about anything that goes against the Woke Supremacy’s COVID stance? We’re talking about our own lives here.
Call me stupid, selfish, dangerous--whatever you want. I'd say 10X the normal number of deaths from a flu shot is worth taking pause.
Yes, and in two or three years when all evidence and argument is in I shall decide.
added. I will say that at the moment it doesn't look promising.
What I think is the height of stupidity in this thread is the assumption both sides make that the other side is stupid.
Up until 14 January, I would have been 1st in line for any vaccine if it had been offered. Then I started coughing at work one day. The plant manager called me that night and told me my buddy in the next office had caught the disease and I needed to quarantine. The next day, I started running a serious fever. Someone on here recommended a treatment of Zinc, Quinine, and Vitamin D, and I started getting relief in about 24 hours. I was back to work in February, feeling like I'd been hit by a truck. Everyone else in the house got it as well. At work, everyone of our management got it. Our second shift supervisor died from it.
Here it is almost June, and I am still feeling the effects. That was a serious hole. I still don't have my stamina back. I am also still having night sweats. The latter is a fairly common after-effect with me. I've had pneumonia a few times, and for up to 6 months after, I sweat heavily in the wee hours. The reason I mention this is that my body is still reacting to the disease. It's okay. I'm not complaining. I just know something big happened.
My point is: what does a guy do after that? Rush out and get stuck twice, because the government says it's a good idea? These are the same yahoos that say I don't need assault weapons and that I'm too white. They say we can spend ourselves to prosperity and that we need to ditch gasoline-driven cars. Do I go get stuck twice because some yahoo on the 'Fire says I'm stupid if I don't? Look, I'm sorry about somebody's sister and all. I know people that died in this as well. If someone would show me a good reason to get stuck with something that requires that I trust my government, versus trust the various processes that are going on in my body as we speak-- processes I have to trust either way, regardless of my choices-- I might choose to get stuck. Just don't call me stupid and expect me to line up.
You're conflating 2 different issues: the long term effects of covid in your individual case, and long term natural immunity or lack thereof. Concerning immunity, natural immunity may last as long or longer than the vax, but he vax isn't going to hurt. And if you are 6 months down the road it's likely going to extend natural immunity. However, there is no covid in the vax, so you cannot covid from the vaccine. Side effects are completely different than the disease.
The maladies you are suffering now are after effects of the disease, and not the disease itself. If you still had the disease, you would have to be in quarantine and could still give it to others.
Finally, your mistrust of the government...the government did not create the vaccine. Private companies did, the government just got out of the way to a greater extent than it usually does. So what your really saying is "I don't trust this vaccine because it doesn't have enough government" ...lmao.
An interesting thought, would the shots also aid against common cold and flu?
And it would not surprise me if the shots were originally sourced for the military to keep troops in the fight, with private companies running with the formula to make money. No way in hell did they come up with this in a couple of months.
An interesting thought, would the shots also aid against common cold and flu?
And it would not surprise me if the shots were originally sourced for the military to keep troops in the fight, with private companies running with the formula to make money. No way in hell did they come up with this in a couple of months.
The science behind it was developed during SARS-1, in the early 2000s. Back then, they used normal experimental protocols, but when they got to the animal phase of the study, they shut it all down due to a huge number of animal deaths (sometimes many months after the vaccine was administered). As a result, it never got to the human phase of the testing. But with Operation Warp Speed, they got to skip over the animal testing phase and go right to the general population.
Who cares? And why should one side care what the other side thinks and does, it makes no sense to me.
Personally I agree. I don’t have any issue with people freely making a decision one way or the other.
I will, if I see someone pushing the idea now popular that everyone, regardless of their age or risk factors for COVID or their consultation w/ a Dr should get the shot, argue that it isn’t that simple.
Then I’m called anti-Vax and told I’m arguing no one should get the shot which I’ve never said.
I have friends who have gotten the shot and I don’t care. Just don’t tell me I need to run and get it, and if you ask me why I haven’t don’t tell me I’m anti-Vax when I explain why.
700LH is flat out dishonest and I called him out for it so he is butthurt but logic never moves such people. He’ll put everyone who disagrees with him on ignore or name call instead of recognizing his transparently hypocritical he is.
You're conflating 2 different issues: the long term effects of covid in your individual case, and long term natural immunity or lack thereof. Concerning immunity, natural immunity may last as long or longer than the vax, but he vax isn't going to hurt. And if you are 6 months down the road it's likely going to extend natural immunity. However, there is no covid in the vax, so you cannot covid from the vaccine. Side effects are completely different than the disease.
The maladies you are suffering now are after effects of the disease, and not the disease itself. If you still had the disease, you would have to be in quarantine and could still give it to others.
Finally, your mistrust of the government...the government did not create the vaccine. Private companies did, the government just got out of the way to a greater extent than it usually does. So what your really saying is "I don't trust this vaccine because it doesn't have enough government" ...lmao.
They are the same issue; what's happening in my body now is caused by my body's immune system reacting to the now-stifled virus. It's already stimulated. I don't need any vaccine to build the response. It's already quite active. I've never seen a doctor tell me I needed a flu shot after I got the flu.
Your second premise sounds like it was formulated in a world historically devoid of sunshine. I mistrust the vaccine for a plethora of reasons, chief among them is that the government is pushing it at a time when the side effects are just becoming obvious. You do have a point that I believe the government should allow for "Let the Buyer Beware." In this case, the buyer should be very wary.
What I think is the height of stupidity in this thread is the assumption both sides make that the other side is stupid.
Up until 14 January, I would have been 1st in line for any vaccine if it had been offered. Then I started coughing at work one day. The plant manager called me that night and told me my buddy in the next office had caught the disease and I needed to quarantine. The next day, I started running a serious fever. Someone on here recommended a treatment of Zinc, Quinine, and Vitamin D, and I started getting relief in about 24 hours. I was back to work in February, feeling like I'd been hit by a truck. Everyone else in the house got it as well. At work, everyone of our management got it. Our second shift supervisor died from it.
Here it is almost June, and I am still feeling the effects. That was a serious hole. I still don't have my stamina back. I am also still having night sweats. The latter is a fairly common after-effect with me. I've had pneumonia a few times, and for up to 6 months after, I sweat heavily in the wee hours. The reason I mention this is that my body is still reacting to the disease. It's okay. I'm not complaining. I just know something big happened.
My point is: what does a guy do after that? Rush out and get stuck twice, because the government says it's a good idea? These are the same yahoos that say I don't need assault weapons and that I'm too white. They say we can spend ourselves to prosperity and that we need to ditch gasoline-driven cars. Do I go get stuck twice because some yahoo on the 'Fire says I'm stupid if I don't? Look, I'm sorry about somebody's sister and all. I know people that died in this as well. If someone would show me a good reason to get stuck with something that requires that I trust my government, versus trust the various processes that are going on in my body as we speak-- processes I have to trust either way, regardless of my choices-- I might choose to get stuck. Just don't call me stupid and expect me to line up.
You're conflating 2 different issues: the long term effects of covid in your individual case, and long term natural immunity or lack thereof. Concerning immunity, natural immunity may last as long or longer than the vax, but he vax isn't going to hurt. And if you are 6 months down the road it's likely going to extend natural immunity. However, there is no covid in the vax, so you cannot covid from the vaccine. Side effects are completely different than the disease.
The maladies you are suffering now are after effects of the disease, and not the disease itself. If you still had the disease, you would have to be in quarantine and could still give it to others.
Finally, your mistrust of the government...the government did not create the vaccine. Private companies did, the government just got out of the way to a greater extent than it usually does. So what your really saying is "I don't trust this vaccine because it doesn't have enough government" ...lmao.
But now you are conflating two issues. Even IF the vaccine is the end all, cure all, natural immunity is AT LEAST as effective as the Janssen (single shot) vaccine. So why the push to vaccinate people who already been vaccinated the traditional way == through exposure to the ACTUAL virus? It simply violates the Hyppocratic oath "first do no harm", if there is ANY risk involved with the vaccines. And we know there are risks involved, if nothing more than blood clots with the Janssen vaccine.
Taking the vaccine after exposure "just because it probably extends immunity" is, scientifically, retarded. People who survived SARS dang near 20 years ago still show T-cell immunity response to C-19, AND THAT'S 20 YEARS LATER AND A DIFFERENT VIRUS! The "extended immunity" claim is, scientifically, half baked. It's just another way to try and justify a closely held PERSONAL BELIEF that everyone should be vaccinated.
All that said, if I had not had C19, I'd get vaccinated. Like Shaman, I'm still recovering five months later, and I am really looking forward to the day my sinuses aren't filling up overnight to the point I wake up bouncing into doorways from lack of balance.
At this point I don’t think many educated people are questioning the efficacy of the vaccine.
Effective, yup.
That doesn't mean it's safe long-term.
Just because it works doesn't mean there's no adverse long term effects from it.
Educated people are questioning the safety of mRNA tech, not whether it's effective in these EUA injections.
Exactly. Kind of amazing how many guys have posted, on this site, something along the line of "I got my 2nd dose two weeks ago, and I'm just fine." Two weeks might be long term for a tsetse fly, but not for people. I certainly hope that there are no long term effects, but it will be years, not weeks, before we know.
Who cares? And why should one side care what the other side thinks and does, it makes no sense to me.
Personally it is not that I care what the other side thinks or does until they start advocating I be isolated or penalized. And there are plenty of zealots for mandatory vaccination with penalties attached if you refuse. Such as loss of employment, prohibitions on travel or entering buildings etc.
Carlson wanted to know how many people have died from getting the COVID vaccine:
“We checked today. Here’s the answer, which comes from the same set of government numbers that we just listed: Between late December of 2020, and last month, a total of 3,362 people apparently died after getting the COVID vaccines in the United States. Three thousand, three hundred and sixty-two — that’s an average of 30 people every day. So, what does that add up to? By the way, that reporting period ended on April 23. We don’t have numbers past that, we’re not quite up to date. But we can assume that another 360 people have died in the 12 days since. That is a total of 3,722 deaths. Almost four thousand people died after getting the COVID vaccines. The actual number is almost certainly much higher than that — perhaps vastly higher.”
Why isn’t anyone talking about this? Do doctors and other medical professionals now understand that you’re not supposed to talk about anything that goes against the Woke Supremacy’s COVID stance? We’re talking about our own lives here.
Call me stupid, selfish, dangerous--whatever you want. I'd say 10X the normal number of deaths from a flu shot is worth taking pause.
you should enter the other part of that, yeah that many died out of how many vacinated?
[ you should enter the other part of that, yeah that many died out of how many vacinated?
The whole article has those numbers. You should read it. The point is that the death rate is 10 times that of a normal flu shot. If COVID weren't being hyped so much, those numbers would be very disturbing.
An interesting thought, would the shots also aid against common cold and flu?
And it would not surprise me if the shots were originally sourced for the military to keep troops in the fight, with private companies running with the formula to make money. No way in hell did they come up with this in a couple of months.
The science behind it was developed during SARS-1, in the early 2000s. Back then, they used normal experimental protocols, but when they got to the animal phase of the study, they shut it all down due to a huge number of animal deaths (sometimes many months after the vaccine was administered). As a result, it never got to the human phase of the testing. But with Operation Warp Speed, they got to skip over the animal testing phase and go right to the general population.
[ you should enter the other part of that, yeah that many died out of how many vacinated?
The whole article has those numbers. You should read it. The point is that the death rate is 10 times that of a normal flu shot. If COVID weren't being hyped so much, those numbers would be very disturbing.
The fear of Covid-19 is irrational created by governmental overreaction
Who cares? And why should one side care what the other side thinks and does, it makes no sense to me.
Personally it is not that I care what the other side thinks or does until they start advocating I be isolated or penalized. And there are plenty of zealots for mandatory vaccination with penalties attached if you refuse. Such as loss of employment, prohibitions on travel or entering buildings etc.
Who cares? And why should one side care what the other side thinks and does, it makes no sense to me.
Personally it is not that I care what the other side thinks or does until they start advocating I be isolated or penalized. And there are plenty of zealots for mandatory vaccination with penalties attached if you refuse. Such as loss of employment, prohibitions on travel or entering buildings etc.
Almost sounds like they're scared that the vaccine doesn't protect them and they don't want to die alone. The people have been lied to from the beginning and who knows what the truth really is.
So much information goes down rabbit holes every single day and just isn’t mentioned again if it goes against the narrative. But I remember stuff.
I remember relatively early on last year they were hyping the fear porn about Covid possibly being more of a blood and heart condition than a respiratory condition. They were seeing Covid patients with unexplained clotting issues, brain hemorrhages, and heart inflammation. I remember that. Now we are seeing the same sorts of complaints with people who are getting the vaccine.
I ain’t no scientist, but it would seem likely to me that the cause of those problems in both instances is rooted in the immune response and T cells. In one instance the body naturally produces T cells to attack the virus that also cause the blood and heart problems. In the other instance a mRNA vaccine tells the body to produce T cells which then cause the blood and heart problems.
The point? We’re willy nilly vaccinating people against a virus without even completely understanding how it causes the conditions it does. Or perhaps, they understand exactly but are willing to put up with a number of deaths caused by excessive T cell production while simultaneously suppressing any information as to exactly what is happening. And I would also guess that by this point they probably have a pretty good idea as to what people might be more susceptible to that sort of adverse reaction but they aren’t putting that out there either.
Frick them and frick anybody who thinks it is a good idea to take a vaccine without telling me the risks. I will not shut and just take something until you make your case with real information and real research.
Search the definition of “gratuitous assertion” and then, to show how right you are, respond avoiding them.
Until then you continue to prove me right.
Don’t ignore the truth speakers here in spite of your earlier breakthrough! We’re having a campfire intervention cuz we care so deeply, JStuart, Paul, and me. You’re breaking our hearts!
Who cares? And why should one side care what the other side thinks and does, it makes no sense to me.
Personally it is not that I care what the other side thinks or does until they start advocating I be isolated or penalized. And there are plenty of zealots for mandatory vaccination with penalties attached if you refuse. Such as loss of employment, prohibitions on travel or entering buildings etc.
It's a waste of time arguing with the "covtards" The mask/ Jab etc... is a way for them to virtue signal and display their superior intellect...... or maybe it's simply a case of Dunning/Kruger or a brain addled with progressive "wokeness" Either way they have aligned themselves with evil people, and they are are doing their bidding, they certainly aren't freedom loving, brave individuals. It's quite funny watching 700H lose his schit with efw..... lmao
Idaho shooter is full of scheit. The covid “triggered” one system failure after another. A “published” $4k/day for ICU.... GFY
Elucidate us! Perhaps you have knowledge that she is not even dead.
Maybe you can explain to her kids and grandkids that the entire illness was an elaborate sham and that she is actually on the beach in Cancun sipping margaritas right now.
As opposed to the vaccine which to this point is only 99.9997% harmless. Actually more than an order of magnitude safer than your morning commute.
Those in fear for their lives should turn in their driver's license, as well as their man card.
Oh,my. This schitt flows both ways,
Anyone worried about IMMEDIATE ill effects from a covid vaccine are not basing their concern on the data.
That said, people's basing their reluctance on Moderna's history of failed mRNA trials, and Phizer's billions in fines for falsifying trial data that was negative to their products, well.........
Hint, lots of well informed people working for Phizer and Moderna have declined the vaccine.
It's a waste of time arguing with the "covtards" The mask/ Jab etc... is a way for them to virtue signal and display their superior intellect...... or maybe it's simply a case of Dunning/Kruger or a brain addled with progressive "wokeness" Either way they have aligned themselves with evil people, and they are are doing their bidding, they certainly aren't freedom loving, brave individuals. It's quite funny watching 700H lose his schit with efw..... lmao
700h can’t virtue signal the great black angel of fentanyl george Floyd anymore so now virtue signaling his covtardness
At this point I don’t think many educated people are questioning the efficacy of the vaccine.
Effective, yup.
That doesn't mean it's safe long-term.
Just because it works doesn't mean there's no adverse long term effects from it.
Educated people are questioning the safety of mRNA tech, not whether it's effective in these EUA injections.
Educated people are not screaming that there are trackers in the shot. Nor are educated people calling the shot "DNA Altering"
But mostly, many fail to recognize that an informed decision can be made to avoid a certain known immediate risk as a trade off for some slight chance of encountering some other slight risk at some unknown future date.
YES, some of us knowingly signed up to be in this test group. Some of us weighed the risks and made a decision.
Anyone worried about IMMEDIATE ill effects from a covid vaccine are not basing their concern on the data.
That said, people's basing their reluctance on Moderna's history of failed mRNA trials, and Phizer's billions in fines for falsifying trial data that was negative to their products, well.........
Hint, lots of well informed people working for Phizer and Moderna have declined the vaccine.
I have not knowledge of Moderna or Pfizer's history of possible corrupt or illegal activities.
I will only state that I think the chances of nefarious activities in the development of Covid Vaccine is nill. The eyes of the world have been upon Pfizer and Moderna ever since they announced a year and a half ago they had the technology available to develop a Covid Vaccine in well under a year.
I believe, but do not know for a fact, that "Operation Warp Speed" included copious amounts of .gov oversight to go with copious amounts of .gov money.
As for well informed people making poor choices? All one has to do is look at the multitudes, and for that matter entire nations, refusing to consume GMO food products.
But mostly, many fail to recognize that an informed decision can be made to avoid a certain known immediate risk as a trade off for some slight chance of encountering some other slight risk at some unknown future date.
YES, some of us knowingly signed up to be in this test group. Some of us weighed the risks and made a decision.
Fear IS the mind killer!
This is all true on both sides of this debate; different folks do the algebra and come to different conclusions based upon different inputs. Nothing wrong with that as long as those who place more weight upon the disease don’t use that as pretext for forcing their calculations onto others.
One thing is certain not all but many anti vaxers have gone mental, kinda like gone missing. The lights are on, but nobodys home
It causes a bit of an uproar when one mentions that it has become their new found religion. As with any religion, facts no longer matter. BURN the HERETICS!!!!!!!
Sir: I think you have this backwards. The government and the militant pro-"vaccine'' folks are the ones trying to coerce and convert the skeptics who have (probably wisely) decided to forgo the Corona EUA "vaccine''. All I really detect from the anti ''vaccine'' people is a leave me alone and don't penalize me attitude. This ''vaccine'' may or may not be harmful but being skeptical is a rational response when dealing with the likes of the WHO, our federal bureaucracy, Bill Gates, Dr. Faucci (Kervorkian) and the rest of the howling leftist mob.
Sir: I think you have this backwards. The government and the militant pro-"vaccine'' folks are the ones trying to coerce and convert the skeptics who have (probably wisely) decided to forgo the Corona EUA "vaccine''. All I really detect from the anti ''vaccine'' people is a leave me alone and don't penalize me attitude. This ''vaccine'' may or may not be harmful but being skeptical is a rational response when dealing with the likes of the WHO, our federal bureaucracy, Bill Gates, Dr. Faucci (Kervorkian) and the rest of the howling leftist mob.
Exactly right.
Show me an instance where someone who has gotten the vaccine has been threatened with being expelled from the civil sphere.
“Burn the heretics” is coming from one side and one side only. Fundamentalist religious fervor is being exhibited by people motivated by fear even tho by their own logic they ought not fear anything.
Take the vaccine because you believe it works and leave me and those who think like me alone because our decision can’t impact your health now that you’ve taken the vaccine.
But mostly, many fail to recognize that an informed decision can be made to avoid a certain known immediate risk as a trade off for some slight chance of encountering some other slight risk at some unknown future date.
YES, some of us knowingly signed up to be in this test group. Some of us weighed the risks and made a decision.
Fear IS the mind killer!
This is all true on both sides of this debate; different folks do the algebra and come to different conclusions based upon different inputs. Nothing wrong with that as long as those who place more weight upon the disease don’t use that as pretext for forcing their calculations onto others.
Show me an instance where someone who has gotten the vaccine has been threatened with being expelled from the civil sphere.
“Burn the heretics” is coming from one side and one side only. Fundamentalist religious fervor is being exhibited by people motivated by fear even tho by their own logic they ought not fear anything.
Everyone should be happy if logic rules the day.
You have not been reading this forum very closely, if at all.
Any who would admit to having taken the vaccine, or who might advocate for another who is in a high risk demographic to consider the vaccine is persecuted with religious fervor on this forum by several.
There are those demographics where survival rate from a Covid infection comes close to 90% and surviving the infection is a thoroughly unpleasant experience.
For about 6 of the 60 in my workplace, surviving the Covid was extremely unpleasant. They, everyone, wished the vaccine had been available six or eight months sooner.
For the rest, meh, 30 of us never experienced symptoms of any infection, and the other 24 had very mild symptoms.
My point only is and has ever been, SOME people are well advised to take the vaccine. Despite erroneous claims by nefarious sorts, it ain't "just a cold" for a lot of people.
Now I suppose, if one were a eugenicist, intent on wiping out any humans considered inferior to one's self. Then one would be apposed to distribution of a vaccine.
I find it interesting that with this issue and many others, we see 'religious zealotry' etc. in the people on the opposite side of the issue. We never notice it in ourselves.
You have not been reading this forum very closely, if at all.
Any who would admit to having taken the vaccine, or who might advocate for another who is in a high risk demographic to consider the vaccine is persecuted with religious fervor on this forum by several.
There are those demographics where survival rate from a Covid infection comes close to 90% and surviving the infection is a thoroughly unpleasant experience.
For about 6 of the 60 in my workplace, surviving the Covid was extremely unpleasant. They, everyone, wished the vaccine had been available six or eight months sooner.
For the rest, meh, 30 of us never experienced symptoms of any infection, and the other 24 had very mild symptoms.
My point only is and has ever been, SOME people are well advised to take the vaccine. Despite erroneous claims by nefarious sorts, it ain't "just a cold" for a lot of people.
Now I suppose, if one were a eugenicist, intent on wiping out any humans considered inferior to one's self. Then one would be apposed to distribution of a vaccine.
Show me an instance where someone who has gotten the vaccine has been threatened with being expelled from the civil sphere.
“Burn the heretics” is coming from one side and one side only. Fundamentalist religious fervor is being exhibited by people motivated by fear even tho by their own logic they ought not fear anything.
Take the vaccine because you believe it works and leave me and those who think like me alone because our decision can’t impact your health now that you’ve taken the vaccine.
Show me an instance where someone who has gotten the vaccine has been threatened with being expelled from the civil sphere.
“Burn the heretics” is coming from one side and one side only. Fundamentalist religious fervor is being exhibited by people motivated by fear even tho by their own logic they ought not fear anything.
Take the vaccine because you believe it works and leave me and those who think like me alone because our decision can’t impact your health now that you’ve taken the vaccine.
Everyone should be happy if logic rules the day.
Big IF.
But see Hawk, I don't, nor does anyone else I know give a flying fugg if YOU take the vaccine.
What we object to is that many sharing your opinion SCARE, with lies and disinformation, those most vulnerable into not taking it.
It is only your Mom, or Grandma, or beloved Auntie that I wish to encourage to learn the real truth.
For fugg's sake, my sister avoided the shot because her family told her the feds could track her if she took it! Five weeks of needless suffering and untold hospital bills.........for fugging NOTHING. Not to mention she had custodial care of two preteen children, who the state will have to place again.
If memory serves me correctly Idaho Shooter you have been a fervent covtard from the beginning.......... congratulations you share the same thought process as liberal progressive Marxist.... Not an association I would want but you seem proud
I talked to my wife, who as I stated earlier is an RN-NP in a busy medical clinic that easily sees and treats over 300 patients a week, some weeks more but hardly ever less. She told me that they administer every other vaccine there is but they are not permitted to administer the CV-19 ''vaccine''. Now why would Walmart be giving injections and a medical clinic with 3 physicians, 2 RN-NPs, and several other LPNs etc. not be authorized to administer the CV-19 ''vaccine''? Do any medical clinics staffed by doctors have authorization? Just wondering.
Spending a lot of time here for someone who should be grieving, instead you choose to argue with folks you don’t know. I’m not certain this smells right. But carry on, you are on a roll.
Who cares? And why should one side care what the other side thinks and does, it makes no sense to me.
Personally it is not that I care what the other side thinks or does until they start advocating I be isolated or penalized. And there are plenty of zealots for mandatory vaccination with penalties attached if you refuse. Such as loss of employment, prohibitions on travel or entering buildings etc.
Almost sounds like they're scared that the vaccine doesn't protect them and they don't want to die alone. The people have been lied to from the beginning and who knows what the truth really is.
I talked to my wife, who as I stated earlier is an RN-NP in a busy medical clinic that easily sees and treats over 300 patients a week, some weeks more but hardly ever less. She told me that they administer every other vaccine there is but they are not permitted to administer the CV-19 ''vaccine''. Now why would Walmart be giving injections and a medical clinic with 3 physicians, 2 RN-NPs, and several other LPNs etc. not be authorized to administer the CV-19 ''vaccine''? Do any medical clinics staffed by doctors have authorization? Just wondering.
Yes, the VA medical offices and hospitals give COVID vaccinations. As well as military medical facilities.
If memory serves me correctly Idaho Shooter you have been a fervent covtard from the beginning.......... congratulations you share the same thought process as liberal progressive Marxist.... Not an association I would want but you seem proud
I have recognized Covid as a potential threat to some peoples' health since the beginning.
If I have ever considered Covid any threat to National Security, it has not been since April of 20 when rate of transmission in America plateaued and began to decline.
I found the images of dead bodies stacked up in Italy and refrigerator trailers filling with dead in New York very concerning as any human would. And yes I was concerned with initial mathamatical projections, but was as able as any to recognize when the actual charts quit matching those projections.
Some of us are willing to function and make decisions based on data available. And some others function and make decisions based on the fantasies created in their own mind.
That I have any commonality in thought process with a liberal progressive Marxist, is simply another example of your delusional fantasies.
To claim that any elderly person in any but the finest of physical condition would not benefit from Trump's vaccine would be another delusion.
Spending a lot of time here for someone who should be grieving, instead you choose to argue with folks you don’t know. I’m not certain this smells right. But carry on, you are on a roll.
If one person reading this, even if not responding, thinks the situation over, explains the truth of the matter to Gramma or Grandpa, and then offers them a ride to the pharmacy where they may get their shot.................it has been effort well spent.
If memory serves me correctly Idaho Shooter you have been a fervent covtard from the beginning.......... congratulations you share the same thought process as liberal progressive Marxist.... Not an association I would want but you seem proud
I have recognized Covid as a potential threat to some peoples' health since the beginning.
If I have ever considered Covid any threat to National Security, it has not been since April of 20 when rate of transmission in America plateaued and began to decline.
I found the images of dead bodies stacked up in Italy and refrigerator trailers filling with dead in New York very concerning as any human would. And yes I was concerned with initial mathamatical projections, but was as able as any to recognize when the actual charts quit matching those projections.
Some of us are willing to function and make decisions based on data available. And some others function and make decisions based on the fantasies created in their own mind.
That I have any commonality in thought process with a liberal progressive Marxist, is simply another example of your delusional fantasies.
To claim that any elderly person in any but the finest of physical condition would not benefit from Trump's vaccine would be another delusion.
My opinion on the covid hoax is documented here for all to see and time has proven me correct..... you? not so much, Bob thinks you are a bleeder, I am beginning to agree with him. I distinctly remember you freaking out and falling for the propaganda and advocating , shut everything down..... you were wrong then and you are wrong now. So tell us about your sisters co-morbidities.... I am all ears and be honest now....
The last week of May I posted that my younger sister (she would have been 64 next week) was in ICU with Covid.
The Covid triggered one cascading systemic failure after another. She spent about five weeks in ICU and was transported from Walla Walla to Spokane Wa via air ambulance.
She died yesterday.
After spending what? At a published $4K/day for ICU care w/ ventilation.......somewhere approaching $150K in hospital bills?
All preventable with a free shot at any local pharmacy.
When her daughter was asked: "Have you guys been vaccinated?" She answered: "No, we do not want to be tracked!"
"Oh, so you have destroyed your cell phone then?"
"Uh? What?"
Ignorance does abound!
My condolences to everyone. I was in your sisters shoes last spring, I was near death, I ended up surviving. This virus is a moot point for the majority of the population but for us lucky few it is nothing short of pure hell. In regards to those who say it is no different than the flue, I beg to differ. The lasting side effects of COVID are a whole new ball game. The tissue damaged is relentless. Even people who have had a mild case end up with respiratory issues, or chronic fatigue or a host of other things that the flue doesn’t bring with it. It’s all these unknowns that has everyone cautious, there is no set rules with this damn virus. I am 1 year removed and I am still recovering in terms of my upper respiratory system. It may never get back to normal. It will take yet another full year or two before they really know this virus and maybe eventually they will be able to come up with a real cure. Everyone of us that gets it is a test tube for now. I do see both sides but to casually pass this off as no different than the common flue I’d pure ignorance. It’s a whole different animal and needs to be broken down and understood.
I'm coming in late to the conversation and only looked at the title. Covid 19. Automobile wrecks, pitbull bites and airplane crashes are "mostly harmless".
I talked to my wife, who as I stated earlier is an RN-NP in a busy medical clinic that easily sees and treats over 300 patients a week, some weeks more but hardly ever less. She told me that they administer every other vaccine there is but they are not permitted to administer the CV-19 ''vaccine''. Now why would Walmart be giving injections and a medical clinic with 3 physicians, 2 RN-NPs, and several other LPNs etc. not be authorized to administer the CV-19 ''vaccine''? Do any medical clinics staffed by doctors have authorization? Just wondering.
Initially, when demand for the COVID-19 vaccines far outpaced supplies, it made sense to offer it only through a few larger sources . Now that most people who want the vaccination have had it, the supply is typically now greater than the demand. It will now make sense to get vaccines to smaller outlets, like medical practices, who can offer it to a less accessible part of the population. Our state is encouraging medical practices to acquire the vaccines now. As you know, there are some storage and handling requirements that may also make it harder for some practices to participate.
I talked to my wife, who as I stated earlier is an RN-NP in a busy medical clinic that easily sees and treats over 300 patients a week, some weeks more but hardly ever less. She told me that they administer every other vaccine there is but they are not permitted to administer the CV-19 ''vaccine''. Now why would Walmart be giving injections and a medical clinic with 3 physicians, 2 RN-NPs, and several other LPNs etc. not be authorized to administer the CV-19 ''vaccine''? Do any medical clinics staffed by doctors have authorization? Just wondering.
Initially, when demand for the COVID-19 vaccines far outpaced supplies, it made sense to offer it only through a few larger sources . Now that most people who want the vaccination have had it, the supply is typically now greater than the demand. It will now make sense to get vaccines to smaller outlets, like medical practices, who can offer it to a less accessible part of the population. Our state is encouraging medical practices to acquire the vaccines now. As you know, there are some storage and handling requirements that may also make it harder for some practices to participate.
Actually, I don’t think there’s much money made on the distribution end of this process. Those giving the vaccines can bill an administration charge but that’s typically small and sometimes hard to collect. Our practice does not give them, so perhaps someone else knows better than I do . Overall, the past year has hurt our bottom line quite a bit and made our day to day operation much more difficult. I suspect most practices have seen this as well.
This vaccine debate reminds me of a stand up comic routine I used to watch at the Cripple Creek Saloon located outside of Fairbanks AK back in the 1970’s. One of the comedians favorite lines was: “Anyone can quit smoking but it takes a brave soul to stand up to lung cancer”.
None that I ever heard about. She was almost 64, about five foot two and about 120 lbs. She was very active chasing two young kids and training service dogs.
I am sure I advocated for shutting down schools for the last quarter of spring 2020.I still think that was a good idea.
I might have included stadium events, as they serve no useful purpose but to spread contagions. But those events should be shut down simply from lack of attendance because people are smart enough to avoid extreme crowds in the event of an epidemic.
I probably stated people would avoid service industries, and a return to a production economy in USA would be a natural benefit. That has been needed for several decades. Long before the Covid, and long after it is gone. But such is better done through natural selection than by .gov mandates.
WTF is with buying water at the fugging grocery store anyway, or paying someone else to cook your meals three times a day?
Masks, a bunch of bullschitt. Closing down any manufacturing or food production facility, a bunch of bullschitt.
Well, except in those cases when there simply were not enough healthy workers left to man the lines.
The Health Dept keeping a Covid patient home for ten days while they are contagious? Well and Good.
Keeping anyone else he has spoken to or sat beside for the last week home for ten days? A bunch of Bullschitt!
Forcing employers to pay out sick leave benefits for healthy employees to sit home because they "might" have been exposed to the Covid? A bunch of Bullschitt!
Paying people more unemployment to stay home than they could make working? A bunch of Bullschitt!
Spending what? Almost 5 trillion on Liberal Pipedreams and calling it "stimulus"? A bunch of Bullschitt!
Developing and offering a vaccine in record time? Wonderful. Forcing said vaccine upon anyone? Bullschitt to the extreme. It would be Communist Fascism!
As most things in life, a sensible position is actually close to a midpoint between two extremes. Accepting that Far Right Extremist ideologies make little sense does not make one a Communist.
I have a friend who constantly advocates the assassination of key liberal politicians among other useless extremist BS. Not that he ever has the nuts to actually participate in any such scheme.
That I explain such actions would be extremely counter productive to the Conservative Agenda would cause some to call me a Commie Sympathizer.
Not at all. Just intelligent enough to know what is a wise move and what is not.
Actually, I don’t think there’s much money made on the distribution end of this process. Those giving the vaccines can bill an administration charge but that’s typically small and sometimes hard to collect. Our practice does not give them, so perhaps someone else knows better than I do . Overall, the past year has hurt our bottom line quite a bit and made our day to day operation much more difficult. I suspect most practices have seen this as well.
I talked to my wife, who as I stated earlier is an RN-NP in a busy medical clinic that easily sees and treats over 300 patients a week, some weeks more but hardly ever less. She told me that they administer every other vaccine there is but they are not permitted to administer the CV-19 ''vaccine''. Now why would Walmart be giving injections and a medical clinic with 3 physicians, 2 RN-NPs, and several other LPNs etc. not be authorized to administer the CV-19 ''vaccine''? Do any medical clinics staffed by doctors have authorization? Just wondering.
Yes, the VA medical offices and hospitals give COVID vaccinations. As well as military medical facilities.
All under the control of the .Gov, nothing to be suspicious about There...........
My condolences to everyone. I was in your sisters shoes last spring, I was near death, I ended up surviving. This virus is a moot point for the majority of the population but for us lucky few it is nothing short of pure hell. In regards to those who say it is no different than the flue, I beg to pardon. The lasting side effects of COVID are a whole new ball game. The tissue damaged is relentless. Even people who have had a mild case end up with respiratory issues, or chronic fatigue or a host of other things that the flue doesn’t bring with it. It’s all these unknowns that has everyone cautious, there is no set rules with this damn virus. I am 1 year removed and I am still recovering in terms of my upper respiratory system. It may never get back to normal. It will take yet another full year or two before they really know this virus and maybe eventually they will be able to come up with a real cure. Everyone of us that gets it is a test tube for now. I do see both sides but to casually pass this off as no different than the common flue I’d pure ignorance. It’s a whole different animal and needs to be broken down and understood.
Thanks for sharing. Sorry to hear about your ordeal and lasting side effects.
Also sorry that you made Travis's list of whiney kghunts.
This "debate" over whether to take or not take this injection can be compared to other health issues and the fact that some are willing to trust what doctors or those in authority tell them as opposed to the other side that won't trust them. My case in point is my own mother. She passed away in 1999 at the age of 59. Her biggest single blow to her heath was being addicted to pain killers. Doctors used to write prescriptions for them like nothing. Opioids are the same in our time now. So my mother basically died from abusing a substance that doctors helped her to get. She trusted the doctors and the known medical "facts" of that time. Yes she abused the stuff but the doctors knew she was and did nothing. Now we have the same medical community telling us that this injection is safe and that we need to take it so we can wipe this virus out. You that condemn those of us that don't want to just accept all of this should stop to consider that these same people have a track record of not always being correct. Some of us see that and take it seriously. So for me I weigh everything in the balance. Do I continue on without the injection, having not been sick from this virus yet or do I take the word of these people with the hopes that the injection will safegaurd me just in case. Please don't help to take my choice away from me. As I fear may be in the works.
Idaho Shooter, My sincere condolences to you and your family for your loss. I certainly don’t fault anyone for getting the “vaccine” especially those with co-morbidities. For my family and I the “vaccine” is too new, too untested and too political for me to trust it. That doesn’t mean that I’m “anti-vax” because I’m not, I just don’t trust those pushing it. Especially when I consider the survival rate of SARS-CoV2 as well as the fact that we’re all fit, healthy and without contributing co-morbidities. Historically speaking the great thing about our country was that we had the ability, the RIGHT, to choose what was best for us and our family. We weren’t compelled under threat to receive unwanted vaccines or unnecessary intervention on our behalf by those that thought they knew what’s best for us, it was our decision. When the freedom to choose is stolen from us that’s when “we” get defensive and suspicious of “their” intentions. A “one size fits all” approach is losing proposition when it’s applied with broad strokes to a population of 300 million people. When reality, reason and science is suspended in order to appease the ignorant or the perpetually frightened then one should expect defiance. Just as you are free to choose to get the “vaccine” I’m free to choose to NOT get the vaccine. That freedom to choose is the mechanism by which the militant pro-vax crowd is using to divide us and create animosity that might not otherwise be present.
You have every right to do what you think is best for you just as I have the right to do the same. I don’t think lesser of you for getting “vaccinated” and I’d hope that you’d feel the same way about those that choose not to be “vaccinated”. Free choice and freedom in general is under attack and Covid has been an effective weapon for their attacks. I hate seeing us cannibalize each other over this issue. Men that have much in common are fighting over this issue and playing into the hands of the devious and despicable left.
I’m truly sorry about your sister and pray that you and your loved ones don’t have any more run-ins with Covid. I wish you all health, happiness and prosperity.
Idaho Shooter, My sincere condolences to you and your family for your loss. I certainly don’t fault anyone for getting the “vaccine” especially those with co-morbidities. For my family and I the “vaccine” is too new, too untested and too political for me to trust it. That doesn’t mean that I’m “anti-vax” because I’m not, I just don’t trust those pushing it. Especially when I consider the survival rate of SARS-CoV2 as well as the fact that we’re all fit, healthy and without contributing co-morbidities. Historically speaking the great thing about our country was that we had the ability, the RIGHT, to choose what was best for us and our family. We weren’t compelled under threat to receive unwanted vaccines or unnecessary intervention on our behalf by those that thought they knew what’s best for us, it was our decision. When the freedom to choose is stolen from us that’s when “we” get defensive and suspicious of “their” intentions. A “one size fits all” approach is losing proposition when it’s applied with broad strokes to a population of 300 million people. When reality, reason and science is suspended in order to appease the ignorant or the perpetually frightened then one should expect defiance. Just as you are free to choose to get the “vaccine” I’m free to choose to NOT get the vaccine. That freedom to choose is the mechanism by which the militant pro-vax crowd is using to divide us and create animosity that might not otherwise be present.
You have every right to do what you think is best for you just as I have the right to do the same. I don’t think lesser of you for getting “vaccinated” and I’d hope that you’d feel the same way about those that choose not to be “vaccinated”. Free choice and freedom in general is under attack and Covid has been an effective weapon for their attacks. I hate seeing us cannibalize each other over this issue. Men that have much in common are fighting over this issue and playing into the hands of the devious and despicable left.
I’m truly sorry about your sister and pray that you and your loved ones don’t have any more run-ins with Covid. I wish you all health, happiness and prosperity.
If this were the tone of the debate, it would generate more light and less heat. I’m probably as much an advocate of vaccination as anyone else is against it . Having said that, I absolutely am against anybody being forced to be vaccinated against their will. I will stand alongside anyone who is subjected to such an attempt. Remember, though, that freedom is a two way street. If a person or private business chooses to associate only with vaccinated people, then that is their right as well, is it not?
I talked to my wife, who as I stated earlier is an RN-NP in a busy medical clinic that easily sees and treats over 300 patients a week, some weeks more but hardly ever less. She told me that they administer every other vaccine there is but they are not permitted to administer the CV-19 ''vaccine''. Now why would Walmart be giving injections and a medical clinic with 3 physicians, 2 RN-NPs, and several other LPNs etc. not be authorized to administer the CV-19 ''vaccine''? Do any medical clinics staffed by doctors have authorization? Just wondering.
Initially, when demand for the COVID-19 vaccines far outpaced supplies, it made sense to offer it only through a few larger sources . Now that most people who want the vaccination have had it, the supply is typically now greater than the demand. It will now make sense to get vaccines to smaller outlets, like medical practices, who can offer it to a less accessible part of the population. Our state is encouraging medical practices to acquire the vaccines now. As you know, there are some storage and handling requirements that may also make it harder for some practices to participate.
So now we can slip the doc a $100 bill, he shoots the load in the sink, fills out the card, everyone is happy. Sounds like a win-win to me.
I talked to my wife, who as I stated earlier is an RN-NP in a busy medical clinic that easily sees and treats over 300 patients a week, some weeks more but hardly ever less. She told me that they administer every other vaccine there is but they are not permitted to administer the CV-19 ''vaccine''. Now why would Walmart be giving injections and a medical clinic with 3 physicians, 2 RN-NPs, and several other LPNs etc. not be authorized to administer the CV-19 ''vaccine''? Do any medical clinics staffed by doctors have authorization? Just wondering.
Initially, when demand for the COVID-19 vaccines far outpaced supplies, it made sense to offer it only through a few larger sources . Now that most people who want the vaccination have had it, the supply is typically now greater than the demand. It will now make sense to get vaccines to smaller outlets, like medical practices, who can offer it to a less accessible part of the population. Our state is encouraging medical practices to acquire the vaccines now. As you know, there are some storage and handling requirements that may also make it harder for some practices to participate.
So now we can slip the doc a $100 bill, he shoots the load in the sink, fills out the card, everyone is happy. Sounds like a win-win to me.
I guess that’s always been an option. Seems like about $50 used to buy a medical cannabis card back when those were necessary. Seems better if you just can stand in principle.
I will only state that I think the chances of nefarious activities in the development of Covid Vaccine is nill. The eyes of the world have been upon Pfizer and Moderna ever since they announced a year and a half ago they had the technology available to develop a Covid Vaccine in well under a year.
I believe, but do not know for a fact, that "Operation Warp Speed" included copious amounts of .gov oversight to go with copious amounts of .gov money.
.
See, here you’ve lost me.
I have the “good fortune” to have the “pleasure” of either being regulated (enjoying that government oversight) by the US EPA, USDA, USDOT, USFWS, some FDA, USBP, and I’m probably forgetting a few in my joy trying to remember them all.
In about 30 years of interactions, I’ve NEVER, NOT ONCE, met a bureaucrat with enough wherewithal in the knowledge and smarts departments to look past the numbers on the forms and be able to judge if they were correct or complete fiction.
According to CNN, NINE new BILLIONAIRES have been minted due to the money made on the vaccines. If some schmuck in BFE Idaho can see through the “oversight” charade put on by the governments’various agencies, what do you suppose happened when some bureaucrats tried to stand between 9 men and THAT amount of money?
If there were problems, the government would have never found out. That much money will corrupt a saint.
Idaho Shooter, My sincere condolences to you and your family for your loss. I certainly don’t fault anyone for getting the “vaccine” especially those with co-morbidities. For my family and I the “vaccine” is too new, too untested and too political for me to trust it. That doesn’t mean that I’m “anti-vax” because I’m not, I just don’t trust those pushing it. Especially when I consider the survival rate of SARS-CoV2 as well as the fact that we’re all fit, healthy and without contributing co-morbidities. Historically speaking the great thing about our country was that we had the ability, the RIGHT, to choose what was best for us and our family. We weren’t compelled under threat to receive unwanted vaccines or unnecessary intervention on our behalf by those that thought they knew what’s best for us, it was our decision. When the freedom to choose is stolen from us that’s when “we” get defensive and suspicious of “their” intentions. A “one size fits all” approach is losing proposition when it’s applied with broad strokes to a population of 300 million people. When reality, reason and science is suspended in order to appease the ignorant or the perpetually frightened then one should expect defiance. Just as you are free to choose to get the “vaccine” I’m free to choose to NOT get the vaccine. That freedom to choose is the mechanism by which the militant pro-vax crowd is using to divide us and create animosity that might not otherwise be present.
You have every right to do what you think is best for you just as I have the right to do the same. I don’t think lesser of you for getting “vaccinated” and I’d hope that you’d feel the same way about those that choose not to be “vaccinated”. Free choice and freedom in general is under attack and Covid has been an effective weapon for their attacks. I hate seeing us cannibalize each other over this issue. Men that have much in common are fighting over this issue and playing into the hands of the devious and despicable left.
I’m truly sorry about your sister and pray that you and your loved ones don’t have any more run-ins with Covid. I wish you all health, happiness and prosperity.
If this were the tone of the debate, it would generate more light and less heat. I’m probably as much an advocate of vaccination as anyone else is against it . Having said that, I absolutely am against anybody being forced to be vaccinated against their will. I will stand alongside anyone who is subjected to such an attempt. Remember, though, that freedom is a two way street. If a person or private business chooses to associate only with vaccinated people, then that is their right as well, is it not?
I will only state that I think the chances of nefarious activities in the development of Covid Vaccine is nill. The eyes of the world have been upon Pfizer and Moderna ever since they announced a year and a half ago they had the technology available to develop a Covid Vaccine in well under a year.
I believe, but do not know for a fact, that "Operation Warp Speed" included copious amounts of .gov oversight to go with copious amounts of .gov money.
.
See, here you’ve lost me.
I have the “good fortune” to have the “pleasure” of either being regulated (enjoying that government oversight) by the US EPA, USDA, USDOT, USFWS, some FDA, USBP, and I’m probably forgetting a few in my joy trying to remember them all.
In about 30 years of interactions, I’ve NEVER, NOT ONCE, met a bureaucrat with enough wherewithal in the knowledge and smarts departments to look past the numbers on the forms and be able to judge if they were correct or complete fiction.
According to CNN, NINE new BILLIONAIRES have been minted due to the money made on the vaccines. If some schmuck in BFE Idaho can see through the “oversight” charade put on by the governments’various agencies, what do you suppose happened when some bureaucrats tried to stand between 9 men and THAT amount of money?
If there were problems, the government would have never found out. That much money will corrupt a saint.
I can not argue with a bit of that.
It would take one hell of a conspiracy, and those usually become exposed eventually. Of course, if this is the case, some of us might be dead by then.
A guy just has to look at the facts available, make a choice, roll the dice, and take your chances.
I will only state that I think the chances of nefarious activities in the development of Covid Vaccine is nill. The eyes of the world have been upon Pfizer and Moderna ever since they announced a year and a half ago they had the technology available to develop a Covid Vaccine in well under a year.
I believe, but do not know for a fact, that "Operation Warp Speed" included copious amounts of .gov oversight to go with copious amounts of .gov money.
.
See, here you’ve lost me.
I have the “good fortune” to have the “pleasure” of either being regulated (enjoying that government oversight) by the US EPA, USDA, USDOT, USFWS, some FDA, USBP, and I’m probably forgetting a few in my joy trying to remember them all.
In about 30 years of interactions, I’ve NEVER, NOT ONCE, met a bureaucrat with enough wherewithal in the knowledge and smarts departments to look past the numbers on the forms and be able to judge if they were correct or complete fiction.
According to CNN, NINE new BILLIONAIRES have been minted due to the money made on the vaccines. If some schmuck in BFE Idaho can see through the “oversight” charade put on by the governments’various agencies, what do you suppose happened when some bureaucrats tried to stand between 9 men and THAT amount of money?
If there were problems, the government would have never found out. That much money will corrupt a saint.
I can not argue with a bit of that.
It would take one hell of a conspiracy, and those usually become exposed eventually. Of course, if this is the case, some of us might be dead by then.
A guy just has to look at the facts available, make a choice, roll the dice, and take your chances.
No conspiracy needed.... simply a shared ideology, in which you seem to be a participant
Idaho Shooter, My sincere condolences to you and your family for your loss. I certainly don’t fault anyone for getting the “vaccine” especially those with co-morbidities. For my family and I the “vaccine” is too new, too untested and too political for me to trust it. That doesn’t mean that I’m “anti-vax” because I’m not, I just don’t trust those pushing it. Especially when I consider the survival rate of SARS-CoV2 as well as the fact that we’re all fit, healthy and without contributing co-morbidities. Historically speaking the great thing about our country was that we had the ability, the RIGHT, to choose what was best for us and our family. We weren’t compelled under threat to receive unwanted vaccines or unnecessary intervention on our behalf by those that thought they knew what’s best for us, it was our decision. When the freedom to choose is stolen from us that’s when “we” get defensive and suspicious of “their” intentions. A “one size fits all” approach is losing proposition when it’s applied with broad strokes to a population of 300 million people. When reality, reason and science is suspended in order to appease the ignorant or the perpetually frightened then one should expect defiance. Just as you are free to choose to get the “vaccine” I’m free to choose to NOT get the vaccine. That freedom to choose is the mechanism by which the militant pro-vax crowd is using to divide us and create animosity that might not otherwise be present.
You have every right to do what you think is best for you just as I have the right to do the same. I don’t think lesser of you for getting “vaccinated” and I’d hope that you’d feel the same way about those that choose not to be “vaccinated”. Free choice and freedom in general is under attack and Covid has been an effective weapon for their attacks. I hate seeing us cannibalize each other over this issue. Men that have much in common are fighting over this issue and playing into the hands of the devious and despicable left.
I’m truly sorry about your sister and pray that you and your loved ones don’t have any more run-ins with Covid. I wish you all health, happiness and prosperity.
Remember, though, that freedom is a two way street. If a person or private business chooses to associate only with vaccinated people, then that is their right as well, is it not?
Yes and no. Yes it’s a two way street in that I won’t force you to not get “vaccinated” and you won’t force me to get “vaccinated”. Yes....you as well every other individual has the right to discriminate against who you choose to associate with on a personal level for any reason. If you are “vaccinated” and you choose to continue to live in fear that’s your choice I don’t think you’ll have the unwashed (non vaccinated) masses forcing themselves on you but it’s your choice who you want to associate with. I don’t know why you’d be afraid to associate with an non “vaccinated” individual since you’re presumably protected through your “vaccination” but ultimately it is your prerogative.
No....Business doesn’t get to decide what personal medical records of mine that they get to see and discriminate against. Does a business get to deny services to a drug addict or alcoholic? What about deciding that providing wheelchair access isn’t worth “associating” with the disabled? A veteran with PTSD? Trying to lump the personal free will argument in with who and what businesses can discriminate against is apples to walnuts.
Had COVID? You’ll probably make antibodies for a lifetime
People who recover from mild COVID-19 have bone-marrow cells that can churn out antibodies for decades, although viral variants could dampen some of the protection they offer.
Idaho Shooter, My sincere condolences to you and your family for your loss. I certainly don’t fault anyone for getting the “vaccine” especially those with co-morbidities. For my family and I the “vaccine” is too new, too untested and too political for me to trust it. That doesn’t mean that I’m “anti-vax” because I’m not, I just don’t trust those pushing it. Especially when I consider the survival rate of SARS-CoV2 as well as the fact that we’re all fit, healthy and without contributing co-morbidities. Historically speaking the great thing about our country was that we had the ability, the RIGHT, to choose what was best for us and our family. We weren’t compelled under threat to receive unwanted vaccines or unnecessary intervention on our behalf by those that thought they knew what’s best for us, it was our decision. When the freedom to choose is stolen from us that’s when “we” get defensive and suspicious of “their” intentions. A “one size fits all” approach is losing proposition when it’s applied with broad strokes to a population of 300 million people. When reality, reason and science is suspended in order to appease the ignorant or the perpetually frightened then one should expect defiance. Just as you are free to choose to get the “vaccine” I’m free to choose to NOT get the vaccine. That freedom to choose is the mechanism by which the militant pro-vax crowd is using to divide us and create animosity that might not otherwise be present.
You have every right to do what you think is best for you just as I have the right to do the same. I don’t think lesser of you for getting “vaccinated” and I’d hope that you’d feel the same way about those that choose not to be “vaccinated”. Free choice and freedom in general is under attack and Covid has been an effective weapon for their attacks. I hate seeing us cannibalize each other over this issue. Men that have much in common are fighting over this issue and playing into the hands of the devious and despicable left.
I’m truly sorry about your sister and pray that you and your loved ones don’t have any more run-ins with Covid. I wish you all health, happiness and prosperity.
If this were the tone of the debate, it would generate more light and less heat. I’m probably as much an advocate of vaccination as anyone else is against it . Having said that, I absolutely am against anybody being forced to be vaccinated against their will. I will stand alongside anyone who is subjected to such an attempt. Remember, though, that freedom is a two way street. If a person or private business chooses to associate only with vaccinated people, then that is their right as well, is it not?
Idaho Shooter, My sincere condolences to you and your family for your loss. I certainly don’t fault anyone for getting the “vaccine” especially those with co-morbidities. For my family and I the “vaccine” is too new, too untested and too political for me to trust it. That doesn’t mean that I’m “anti-vax” because I’m not, I just don’t trust those pushing it. Especially when I consider the survival rate of SARS-CoV2 as well as the fact that we’re all fit, healthy and without contributing co-morbidities. Historically speaking the great thing about our country was that we had the ability, the RIGHT, to choose what was best for us and our family. We weren’t compelled under threat to receive unwanted vaccines or unnecessary intervention on our behalf by those that thought they knew what’s best for us, it was our decision. When the freedom to choose is stolen from us that’s when “we” get defensive and suspicious of “their” intentions. A “one size fits all” approach is losing proposition when it’s applied with broad strokes to a population of 300 million people. When reality, reason and science is suspended in order to appease the ignorant or the perpetually frightened then one should expect defiance. Just as you are free to choose to get the “vaccine” I’m free to choose to NOT get the vaccine. That freedom to choose is the mechanism by which the militant pro-vax crowd is using to divide us and create animosity that might not otherwise be present.
You have every right to do what you think is best for you just as I have the right to do the same. I don’t think lesser of you for getting “vaccinated” and I’d hope that you’d feel the same way about those that choose not to be “vaccinated”. Free choice and freedom in general is under attack and Covid has been an effective weapon for their attacks. I hate seeing us cannibalize each other over this issue. Men that have much in common are fighting over this issue and playing into the hands of the devious and despicable left.
I’m truly sorry about your sister and pray that you and your loved ones don’t have any more run-ins with Covid. I wish you all health, happiness and prosperity.
Remember, though, that freedom is a two way street. If a person or private business chooses to associate only with vaccinated people, then that is their right as well, is it not?
Yes and no. Yes it’s a two way street in that I won’t force you to not get “vaccinated” and you won’t force me to get “vaccinated”. Yes....you as well every other individual has the right to discriminate against who you choose to associate with on a personal level for any reason. If you are “vaccinated” and you choose to continue to live in fear that’s your choice I don’t think you’ll have the unwashed (non vaccinated) masses forcing themselves on you but it’s your choice who you want to associate with. I don’t know why you’d be afraid to associate with an non “vaccinated” individual since you’re presumably protected through your “vaccination” but ultimately it is your prerogative.
No....Business doesn’t get to decide what personal medical records of mine that they get to see and discriminate against. Does a business get to deny services to a drug addict or alcoholic? What about deciding that providing wheelchair access isn’t worth “associating” with the disabled? A veteran with PTSD? Trying to lump the personal free will argument in with who and what businesses can discriminate against is apples to walnuts.
Certain businesses like camps, private schools, etc, have long required proof of immunizations from participants. They don’t have any right to a person’s info but he has no right to their services. The concept of discrimination only applies to certain protected classes, including disabled persons, so the wheelchair bound dude is GTG. Hospitals often require certain immunizations as a condition of employment and it is not deemed discriminatory. The employee is free to work elsewhere. In practice, of course, most businesses will welcome anyone they can accommodate. They are there to make a profit so turning folks away is bad business.
Lotta scared pussies around here that suddenly think trusting the government and companies set to make BILLIONS with zero legal responsibility if things go wrong is a good idea.
Me, well, I've been doing high-risk, aerosolizing procedures on china flu patients for well over a year now. I've watched us go from basically killing people by treating it like ARDS to having effective treatments.
I've followed the numbers of our patient population closely. Despite the age and prevalence of co-morbidities, the vast, vast majority don't even require hospitalization.
Then I use critical thinking skills and ask myself if I really believe a member of the common cold family of virus's is going away????
Oh, and here's a hint: when .gov starts throwing out ethical standards and starts bribing/giving incentives to be vaccinated, something isn't on the up and up.
Do I think it's genocide, done purposefully by a shadow cabal? Not likely. But I do think it's fueled by greed and lots and lots of money.
I think that any incentives should be straight up cash, and involve signing not only the current EUA waiver, but a traditional trial study waiver and data release authorization.
But, hey, despite my proximity to literally hundreds of critically ill china flu patients, I'm still here. And like over half of Phizer's and Moderna's employees, I'll wait this out until there's actual long term data to assess.
In the end, you scared, human trials participants can call me "anti-vax" if you want. But you know that, in reality, I just weighed risk/reward and chose to be the control group.
I based that decision on data, absence of data, and personal observation of large numbers of obese, elderly, china flu patients. Most people taking part in this massive human trial did so based on what the media told them, and, considering the media's behavior of late, that's probably something to really think about.
Idaho Shooter, My sincere condolences to you and your family for your loss. I certainly don’t fault anyone for getting the “vaccine” especially those with co-morbidities. For my family and I the “vaccine” is too new, too untested and too political for me to trust it. That doesn’t mean that I’m “anti-vax” because I’m not, I just don’t trust those pushing it. Especially when I consider the survival rate of SARS-CoV2 as well as the fact that we’re all fit, healthy and without contributing co-morbidities. Historically speaking the great thing about our country was that we had the ability, the RIGHT, to choose what was best for us and our family. We weren’t compelled under threat to receive unwanted vaccines or unnecessary intervention on our behalf by those that thought they knew what’s best for us, it was our decision. When the freedom to choose is stolen from us that’s when “we” get defensive and suspicious of “their” intentions. A “one size fits all” approach is losing proposition when it’s applied with broad strokes to a population of 300 million people. When reality, reason and science is suspended in order to appease the ignorant or the perpetually frightened then one should expect defiance. Just as you are free to choose to get the “vaccine” I’m free to choose to NOT get the vaccine. That freedom to choose is the mechanism by which the militant pro-vax crowd is using to divide us and create animosity that might not otherwise be present.
You have every right to do what you think is best for you just as I have the right to do the same. I don’t think lesser of you for getting “vaccinated” and I’d hope that you’d feel the same way about those that choose not to be “vaccinated”. Free choice and freedom in general is under attack and Covid has been an effective weapon for their attacks. I hate seeing us cannibalize each other over this issue. Men that have much in common are fighting over this issue and playing into the hands of the devious and despicable left.
I’m truly sorry about your sister and pray that you and your loved ones don’t have any more run-ins with Covid. I wish you all health, happiness and prosperity.
Remember, though, that freedom is a two way street. If a person or private business chooses to associate only with vaccinated people, then that is their right as well, is it not?
Yes and no. Yes it’s a two way street in that I won’t force you to not get “vaccinated” and you won’t force me to get “vaccinated”. Yes....you as well every other individual has the right to discriminate against who you choose to associate with on a personal level for any reason. If you are “vaccinated” and you choose to continue to live in fear that’s your choice I don’t think you’ll have the unwashed (non vaccinated) masses forcing themselves on you but it’s your choice who you want to associate with. I don’t know why you’d be afraid to associate with an non “vaccinated” individual since you’re presumably protected through your “vaccination” but ultimately it is your prerogative.
No....Business doesn’t get to decide what personal medical records of mine that they get to see and discriminate against. Does a business get to deny services to a drug addict or alcoholic? What about deciding that providing wheelchair access isn’t worth “associating” with the disabled? A veteran with PTSD? Trying to lump the personal free will argument in with who and what businesses can discriminate against is apples to walnuts.
Certain businesses like camps, private schools, etc, have long required proof of immunizations from participants. They don’t have any right to a person’s info but he has no right to their services. The concept of discrimination only applies to certain protected classes, including disabled persons, so the wheelchair bound dude is GTG. Hospitals often require certain immunizations as a condition of employment and it is not deemed discriminatory. The employee is free to work elsewhere. In practice, of course, most businesses will welcome anyone they can accommodate. They are there to make a profit so turning folks away is bad business.
Until .gov approves these vaccines for use, not emergency use, and allows liability for adverse effects, that's an apples to pears analogy.
EUA is not allowed if there are effective treatments available. Ask yourself why known effective treatments have not been standardized. Follow the money.
Watch the link. He is pretty rational and logical.
Every year in the US there are about 500 million doses of various vaccines administered with about 200 deaths. So far in the US there have been about 4000 deaths within three days after receiving one of the doses of a Covid vaccine and 10,000 in Europe. They stopped the swine flu vaccine after 25 deaths.
He takes the position that the whole pandemic was about the vaccine. Effective treatments were actively suppressed and the vaccines are being pimped in a way we’ve never seen before.
Watch the link. He is pretty rational and logical.
Every year in the US there are about 500 million doses of various vaccines administered with about 200 deaths. So far in the US there have been about 4000 deaths within three days after receiving one of the doses of a Covid vaccine and 10,000 in Europe. They stopped the swine flu vaccine after 25 deaths.
He takes the position that the whole pandemic was about the vaccine. Effective treatments were actively suppressed and the vaccines are being pimped in a way we’ve never seen before.
There's a video out there that shows, one after another, graphs of COVID-19 deaths on a time line. Almost without exception, the graph was trending downward, until the point where the "vaccines" began to be administered in that nation, and then there was (almost in every case) a jump up (many of them large jumps) in deaths from COVID-19.
Even if the vaccine is one hundred percent safe and effective, why push it so hard on people who have already had Covid? Why are they pushing it on kids?
Even if the vaccine is one hundred percent safe and effective, why push it so hard on people who have already had Covid? Why are they pushing it on kids?
Even if the vaccine is one hundred percent safe and effective, why push it so hard on people who have already had Covid? Why are they pushing it on kids?
Kids have more risk riding in the car to get a covid [bleep] than they do from covid.
No. Fuucking. Way. Kids should NOT be getting this until several years of data are out.
Great post Goalie. Thanks for the information and informative summation.
I just get frustrated with any discussion on this issue being dominated by fear.
If you are fat, old, diabetic and high risk, getting vaccinated probably isn't a bad idea. The vaccines ARE proven effective.
If you are low risk, in shape, and don't have tons of health issues, you should really weigh the risk/reward before doing it. The vaccines are NOT proven safe.
Businesses that didn't refuse service to people without a flu vaccine should STFU about verifying people having three China flu vax.
Lotta scared pussies around here that suddenly think trusting the government and companies set to make BILLIONS with zero legal responsibility if things go wrong is a good idea.
Me, well, I've been doing high-risk, aerosolizing procedures on china flu patients for well over a year now. I've watched us go from basically killing people by treating it like ARDS to having effective treatments.
I've followed the numbers of our patient population closely. Despite the age and prevalence of co-morbidities, the vast, vast majority don't even require hospitalization.
Then I use critical thinking skills and ask myself if I really believe a member of the common cold family of virus's is going away????
Oh, and here's a hint: when .gov starts throwing out ethical standards and starts bribing/giving incentives to be vaccinated, something isn't on the up and up.
Do I think it's genocide, done purposefully by a shadow cabal? Not likely. But I do think it's fueled by greed and lots and lots of money.
I think that any incentives should be straight up cash, and involve signing not only the current EUA waiver, but a traditional trial study waiver and data release authorization.
But, hey, despite my proximity to literally hundreds of critically ill china flu patients, I'm still here. And like over half of Phizer's and Moderna's employees, I'll wait this out until there's actual long term data to assess.
In the end, you scared, human trials participants can call me "anti-vax" if you want. But you know that, in reality, I just weighed risk/reward and chose to be the control group.
I based that decision on data, absence of data, and personal observation of large numbers of obese, elderly, china flu patients. Most people taking part in this massive human trial did so based on what the media told them, and, considering the media's behavior of late, that's probably something to really think about.
No argument that the vast majority of COVID 19 patients will have mild symptoms or none at all. Lots of folks, and perhaps yourself, will have acquired some natural immunity from exposure to the virus itself. I would not call someone an “Anti-Vaxer” for declining a COVID vaccine. For many people, that may be a very reasonable choice.
Incidentally, do your observations give any indication of how effective the vaccines have been so far at preventing severe COVID 19 disease? It sounds like you have access to a mountain of data. Thanks.
been hearing a lot of discussion of slo-jo cancelling Pompeo's invesigation into the origin and then being forced to reverse his path...
on the radio much has been made of the Lab or the wet market argument.... intentional or natural evolution... intentional or accidental release... but as they are only a few hundred yards apart might I propose this.....
so knowing a bit about how in the chinese culture breaking rules/law is fin as long as you don't get caught... and an important part of life is joss/kharma/luck (akin to destiny)
say someone (unknowing) hard up for cash sold a dead research specimen in the wet market,
or
say it was intentional?
perhaps the chinese were testing what they could do to quell the revolt in Hong Kong, or testing it for use in Taiwan or for infecting and quarantine ing the islands in the south China Sea.
the chicoms would not think twice about the death toll....
in any case I think fauci knows more than he lets on...
Great post Goalie. Thanks for the information and informative summation.
I just get frustrated with any discussion on this issue being dominated by fear.
If you are fat, old, diabetic and high risk, getting vaccinated probably isn't a bad idea. The vaccines ARE proven effective.
If you are low risk, in shape, and don't have tons of health issues, you should really weigh the risk/reward before doing it. The vaccines are NOT proven safe.
Businesses that didn't refuse service to people without a flu vaccine should STFU about verifying people having three China flu vax.
Sorry I didn’t see this post before asking my question above. Thanks for addressing it. I’ve seen data that shows good efficacy for the vaccines as well.
The last week of May I posted that my younger sister (she would have been 64 next week) was in ICU with Covid.
The Covid triggered one cascading systemic failure after another. She spent about five weeks in ICU and was transported from Walla Walla to Spokane Wa via air ambulance.
She died yesterday.
After spending what? At a published $4K/day for ICU care w/ ventilation.......somewhere approaching $150K in hospital bills?
All preventable with a free shot at any local pharmacy.
When her daughter was asked: "Have you guys been vaccinated?" She answered: "No, we do not want to be tracked!"
"Oh, so you have destroyed your cell phone then?"
"Uh? What?"
Ignorance does abound!
I've not read the whole thread. I do not have the stomach for what I imagine is in some of it.
First, I am sorry for your loss. I have always said, it is a bad deal for the wrong group of people. No doubt it is a nasty bitch for the wrong demographic.
That being said, your statement that it could've been avoided with a free shot is absolutely incorrect. Vaccinated people are still catching the virus and some are ending up hospitalized. Recovered people are as well.
I believe anyone that is north of 60 with and side issues that could contribute to the lethality of the virus should be vaccinated.
That said, your anger at your sister and those who think like her is directed at the wrong crowd. It should be directed at those placed in power who lied repeatedly as we trudged through this experience. Those lies and backtracks and reversals are what have greatly contributed to the overt skepticism felt by many about the vaccine. That skepticism is not held solely by the right. There were a lot of people pre-election who publicly stated they had no desire to take the vaccine that "Trump helped develop".
Again, sorry for your loss IS. Hope your family is doing well.
Even if the vaccine is one hundred percent safe and effective, why push it so hard on people who have already had Covid? Why are they pushing it on kids?
Kids have more risk riding in the car to get a covid [bleep] than they do from covid.
No. Fuucking. Way. Kids should NOT be getting this until several years of data are out.
Any reasonable society would follow that course. There's something very wrong.
Even if the vaccine is one hundred percent safe and effective, why push it so hard on people who have already had Covid? Why are they pushing it on kids?
Kids have more risk riding in the car to get a covid [bleep] than they do from covid.
No. Fuucking. Way. Kids should NOT be getting this until several years of data are out.
Any reasonable society would follow that course. There's something very wrong.
Exactly. It doesn’t take a rocket scientist to figure out that’s something has been wrong with this whole pandemic from the start. It might be nothing more than money. But even at that, it’s incredibly evil because people will die who didn’t have to in the pursuit of the dollar. However, I personally believe it is a bit deeper than that.
Exactly. It doesn’t take a rocket scientist to figure out that’s something has been wrong with this whole pandemic from the start. It might be nothing more than money. But even at that, it’s incredibly evil because people will die who didn’t have to in the pursuit of the dollar. However, I personally believe it is a bit deeper than that.
The cognitive dissonance with this whole thing is unreal. The governments around the world turned it upside down for a virus that is 99.9 percent survivable. Now they are relentlessly pimping a vaccine, and getting to the point of making it compulsory, for this relatively benign condition.
You say the vaccine is safe? Okay, show me the five year data. That’s right, you don’t have any because it doesn’t exist. Okay, how about the two year data? Oh, none of that either? Alright, one year data? Well, wait a month or two, we’re getting that ready.
It’s all guesswork. The same people who want to take your guns, who are literally teaching kids to hate you and your kids with a critical race theory, and who are selling out your future to the Chinese are telling you that you need to take a vaccine against a 99.9 percent survivable condition “for your own good”. And if you don’t take it, then you not only are endangering yourself, but everyone else who is at risk from this 99.9 percent survivable condition.
The cognitive dissonance with this whole thing is unreal. The governments around the world turned it upside down for a virus that is 99.9 percent survivable. Now they are relentlessly pimping a vaccine, and getting to the point of making it compulsory, for this relatively benign condition.
You say the vaccine is safe? Okay, show me the five year data. That’s right, you don’t have any because it doesn’t exist. Okay, how about the two year data? Oh, none of that either? Alright, one year data? Well, wait a month or two, we’re getting that ready.
It’s all guesswork. The same people who want to take your guns, who are literally teaching kids to hate you and your kids with a critical race theory, and who are selling out your future to the Chinese are telling you that you need to take a vaccine against a 99.9 percent survivable condition “for your own good”. And if you don’t take it, then you not only are endangering yourself, but everyone else who is at risk from this 99.9 percent survivable condition.
Everyone has gone insane.
Don't forget massive suppression of effective treatments as soon as it came out that a vaccine was on the way.
You say the vaccine is safe? Okay, show me the five year data. That’s right, you don’t have any because it doesn’t exist. Okay, how about the two year data? Oh, none of that either? Alright, one year data? Well, wait a month or two, we’re getting that ready.
They have all that data ready, just waiting to release it. You can’t release two year data unless it’s been two years.
You say the vaccine is safe? Okay, show me the five year data. That’s right, you don’t have any because it doesn’t exist. Okay, how about the two year data? Oh, none of that either? Alright, one year data? Well, wait a month or two, we’re getting that ready.
They have all that data ready, just waiting to release it. You can’t release two year data unless it’s been two years.
You say the vaccine is safe? Okay, show me the five year data. That’s right, you don’t have any because it doesn’t exist. Okay, how about the two year data? Oh, none of that either? Alright, one year data? Well, wait a month or two, we’re getting that ready.
They have all that data ready, just waiting to release it. You can’t release two year data unless it’s been two years.
If memory serves me correctly Idaho Shooter you have been a fervent covtard from the beginning.......... congratulations you share the same thought process as liberal progressive Marxist.... Not an association I would want but you seem proud
I have recognized Covid as a potential threat to some peoples' health since the beginning.
If I have ever considered Covid any threat to National Security, it has not been since April of 20 when rate of transmission in America plateaued and began to decline.
I found the images of dead bodies stacked up in Italy and refrigerator trailers filling with dead in New York very concerning as any human would. And yes I was concerned with initial mathamatical projections, but was as able as any to recognize when the actual charts quit matching those projections.
Some of us are willing to function and make decisions based on data available. And some others function and make decisions based on the fantasies created in their own mind.
That I have any commonality in thought process with a liberal progressive Marxist, is simply another example of your delusional fantasies.
To claim that any elderly person in any but the finest of physical condition would not benefit from Trump's vaccine would be another delusion.
Talk about delusion? From what the evidence is showing folks who get the vaccine get the Covid at the same rate as the unvax population.
If memory serves me correctly Idaho Shooter you have been a fervent covtard from the beginning.......... congratulations you share the same thought process as liberal progressive Marxist.... Not an association I would want but you seem proud
I have recognized Covid as a potential threat to some peoples' health since the beginning.
If I have ever considered Covid any threat to National Security, it has not been since April of 20 when rate of transmission in America plateaued and began to decline.
I found the images of dead bodies stacked up in Italy and refrigerator trailers filling with dead in New York very concerning as any human would. And yes I was concerned with initial mathamatical projections, but was as able as any to recognize when the actual charts quit matching those projections.
Some of us are willing to function and make decisions based on data available. And some others function and make decisions based on the fantasies created in their own mind.
That I have any commonality in thought process with a liberal progressive Marxist, is simply another example of your delusional fantasies.
To claim that any elderly person in any but the finest of physical condition would not benefit from Trump's vaccine would be another delusion.
Talk about delusion? From what the evidence is showing folks who get the vaccine get the Covid at the same rate as the unvax population.
I'm coming in late to the conversation and only looked at the title. Covid 19. Automobile wrecks, pitbull bites and airplane crashes are "mostly harmless".
I'm coming in late to the conversation and only looked at the title. Covid 19. Automobile wrecks, pitbull bites and airplane crashes are "mostly harmless".
Good post.
And we take reasonable precautions to prevent them. Not over the top, paranoid shiit that destroys the economy......
Most have made their decision and taken the shot or not, but,,, It won't be over until the KOOKS and the news STFU
I wish you fear mongering covtards would simply stop so we can get back to normal life. But useful idiots will be, well, useful
You kinda have that bassacwards doncha?
Apparently your not smart enough to figger that out by yourself
Hey dumbazz, Gavin Newsome started some kind of lottery to entice people to get the shot..... so you two are "tracking" dumbazz.... hahahahhahahahahhahahahaha
Most have made their decision and taken the shot or not, but,,, It won't be over until the KOOKS and the news STFU
I wish you fear mongering covtards would simply stop so we can get back to normal life. But useful idiots will be, well, useful
You kinda have that bassacwards doncha?
Apparently your not smart enough to figger that out by yourself
Hey dumbazz, Gavin Newsome started some kind of lottery to entice people to get the shot..... so you two are "tracking" dumbazz.... hahahahhahahahahhahahahaha
Excuse me took me a minute to understand, but I have it now
Most have made their decision and taken the shot or not, but,,, It won't be over until the KOOKS and the news STFU
I wish you fear mongering covtards would simply stop so we can get back to normal life. But useful idiots will be, well, useful
You kinda have that bassacwards doncha?
Apparently your not smart enough to figger that out by yourself
Hey dumbazz, Gavin Newsome started some kind of lottery to entice people to get the shot..... so you two are "tracking" dumbazz.... hahahahhahahahahhahahahaha
Excuse me took me a minute to understand, but I have it now
Your like ANTIFA accusing what your quilty of
You do understand hundreds of people can read what you post? But hey it's your reputation.... so have at it cowboy
Most have made their decision and taken the shot or not, but,,, It won't be over until the KOOKS and the news STFU
I wish you fear mongering covtards would simply stop so we can get back to normal life. But useful idiots will be, well, useful
You kinda have that bassacwards doncha?
Apparently your not smart enough to figger that out by yourself
Hey dumbazz, Gavin Newsome started some kind of lottery to entice people to get the shot..... so you two are "tracking" dumbazz.... hahahahhahahahahhahahahaha
Excuse me took me a minute to understand, but I have it now
Your like ANTIFA accusing what your quilty of
You do understand hundreds of people can read what you post? But hey it's your reputation.... so have at it cowboy
Mask wearers are pussies that would hand over their guns and report you for not doing so.
Shot takers are suckers who bought the narrative.
It was a social experiment, and America failed. Badly.
Horribly
All the campfire “warriors” are worried about the popo who’re going to shave their heads and roid out so they can trample the constitution and take their guns.
This last year has shown it’s not the popo you should worry about. It’s the fugking pussies living next door.
China turned the China flu loose on US because of Trump. The Dumocrats probably financed the research and told China when to turn it loose, and then just ran with the opportunity to get Trump out of office. The China flu has been nothing but a lie from the start.
Pretty sure we know most the facts about what Covid is capable of doing, except what they’ve faked to make it look worse than it is as far as numbers. The only facts we don’t have are about your vaccine but you keep telling yourself you’re 100 percent right
Another one that doesn't comprehend fact from fiction
Again:
1. Do you think the China flu was well handled by the CDC?
2. Do you think it was wise to destroy our economy by shutting everything down instead of having high-risk people isolate and use precautions while keeping things open?
I'll add
3. Why should an EUA vaccine even be given when effective treatments are available? The CDC, pre-china flu, did not allow for any EUA at all if effective treatments were available.
Pretty sure we know most the facts about what Covid is capable of doing, except what they’ve faked to make it look worse than it is as far as numbers. The only facts we don’t have are about your vaccine but you keep telling yourself you’re 100 percent right
I read what info I could find, weighed it for me and made my choice, everyone should do the same for themselves, and I have said that several times here in this forum...
It's obvious some will still not comprehend that, and misstate whats been said, continue to say things wrong because they are 100% right by not getting vaccinated and say anyone who has is an idiot coerced by bad press, Bill Gates or the Gooberment
Telling some people here is akin to pissing into the wind and not expecting to get your feet wet
I talked to my first Covid victim yesterday. He’s my neighbor. I saw oxygen being delivered to his house a week, or so ago. Hmmm, not good, I figured.
He was out taking a slow walk yesterday.
I asked him what was up with the O2 tanks being delivered? He said he got his first shot of Covid juice, then 3 days later got really sick. He went in and tested positive.
He then continued to get worse. He said he doesn’t remember too much about the ordeal.
I guess he had talked to his brother in CO after he tested positive and his brother sensed something was a wrong and called for our cops to do a welfare check. Doug, our cop determined my neighbor was in bad shape and called for medical.
Neighbor spent 2 weeks in our small town hospital. Said again, he doesn’t remember much, being so out of it.
Docs said his lung capacity is at 40%, right now...Doc said they don’t know enough info about how long it could take for his lungs to get back to where they were...Maybe a year, guessing, he said.
I’m maybe 4’ft away from him, no mask, unvaxed....And, not worried !
He’s 56 years old and in decent shape.
My question is...If this vax is supposed to work. Why’d he get hammered by this flu bug after getting his first shot ?
Another one that doesn't comprehend fact from fiction
Again:
1. Do you think the China flu was well handled by the CDC?
2. Do you think it was wise to destroy our economy by shutting everything down instead of having high-risk people isolate and use precautions while keeping things open?
I'll add
3. Why should an EUA vaccine even be given when effective treatments are available? The CDC, pre-china flu, did not allow for any EUA at all if effective treatments were available.
Sometimes it might be onery to poke the monkey thru the bars with a stick but it can be fun
Another one that doesn't comprehend fact from fiction
Again:
1. Do you think the China flu was well handled by the CDC?
2. Do you think it was wise to destroy our economy by shutting everything down instead of having high-risk people isolate and use precautions while keeping things open?
I'll add
3. Why should an EUA vaccine even be given when effective treatments are available? The CDC, pre-china flu, did not allow for any EUA at all if effective treatments were available.
Sometimes it might be onery to poke the monkey thru the bars with a stick but it can be fun
Cool.
Now people know to not take you seriously.
Enjoy being a freaking covtard pussy, and good day.
I talked to my first Covid victim yesterday. He’s my neighbor. I saw oxygen being delivered to his house a week, or so ago. Hmmm, not good, I figured.
He was out taking a slow walk yesterday.
I asked him what was up with the O2 tanks being delivered? He said he got his first shot of Covid juice, then 3 days later got really sick. He went in and tested positive.
He then continued to get worse. He said he doesn’t remember too much about the ordeal.
I guess he had talked to his brother in CO after he tested positive and his brother sensed something was a wrong and called for our cops to do a welfare check. Doug, our cop determined my neighbor was in bad shape and called for medical.
Neighbor spent 2 weeks in our small town hospital. Said again, he doesn’t remember much, being so out of it.
Docs said his lung capacity is at 40%, right now...Doc said they don’t know enough info about how long it could take for his lungs to get back to where they were...Maybe a year, guessing, he said.
I’m maybe 4’ft away from him, no mask, unvaxed....And, not worried !
He’s 56 years old and in decent shape.
My question is...If this vax is supposed to work. Why’d he get hammered by this flu bug after getting his first shot ?
Another one that doesn't comprehend fact from fiction
Again:
1. Do you think the China flu was well handled by the CDC?
2. Do you think it was wise to destroy our economy by shutting everything down instead of having high-risk people isolate and use precautions while keeping things open?
I'll add
3. Why should an EUA vaccine even be given when effective treatments are available? The CDC, pre-china flu, did not allow for any EUA at all if effective treatments were available.
Sometimes it might be onery to poke the monkey thru the bars with a stick but it can be fun
Cool.
Now people know to not take you seriously.
Enjoy being a freaking covtard pussy, and good day.
I talked to my first Covid victim yesterday. He’s my neighbor. I saw oxygen being delivered to his house a week, or so ago. Hmmm, not good, I figured.
He was out taking a slow walk yesterday.
I asked him what was up with the O2 tanks being delivered? He said he got his first shot of Covid juice, then 3 days later got really sick. He went in and tested positive.
He then continued to get worse. He said he doesn’t remember too much about the ordeal.
I guess he had talked to his brother in CO after he tested positive and his brother sensed something was a wrong and called for our cops to do a welfare check. Doug, our cop determined my neighbor was in bad shape and called for medical.
Neighbor spent 2 weeks in our small town hospital. Said again, he doesn’t remember much, being so out of it.
Docs said his lung capacity is at 40%, right now...Doc said they don’t know enough info about how long it could take for his lungs to get back to where they were...Maybe a year, guessing, he said.
I’m maybe 4’ft away from him, no mask, unvaxed....And, not worried !
He’s 56 years old and in decent shape.
My question is...If this vax is supposed to work. Why’d he get hammered by this flu bug after getting his first shot ?
Another one that doesn't comprehend fact from fiction
Again:
1. Do you think the China flu was well handled by the CDC?
2. Do you think it was wise to destroy our economy by shutting everything down instead of having high-risk people isolate and use precautions while keeping things open?
I'll add
3. Why should an EUA vaccine even be given when effective treatments are available? The CDC, pre-china flu, did not allow for any EUA at all if effective treatments were available.
Sometimes it might be onery to poke the monkey thru the bars with a stick but it can be fun
Another one that doesn't comprehend fact from fiction
Again:
1. Do you think the China flu was well handled by the CDC?
2. Do you think it was wise to destroy our economy by shutting everything down instead of having high-risk people isolate and use precautions while keeping things open?
I'll add
3. Why should an EUA vaccine even be given when effective treatments are available? The CDC, pre-china flu, did not allow for any EUA at all if effective treatments were available.
Sometimes it might be onery to poke the monkey thru the bars with a stick but it can be fun
ook, hoo hoo hoo hoo, oo oo oo,
This type of response to a few simple, relevant questions makes someone seem liked a low IQ simpleton, but I don't think it's who you think it is.
At least 700lh has Larry Root on his side..... that's somethin....
Larry, fear, and feelings.
ungawa cheetah ungowa
Again:
1. Do you think the China flu was well handled by the CDC?
2. Do you think it was wise to destroy our economy by shutting everything down instead of having high-risk people isolate and use precautions while keeping things open?
I'll add
3. Why should an EUA vaccine even be given when effective treatments are available? The CDC, pre-china flu, did not allow for any EUA at all if effective treatments were available.
At least 700lh has Larry Root on his side..... that's somethin....
Larry, fear, and feelings.
ungawa cheetah ungowa
Again:
1. Do you think the China flu was well handled by the CDC?
2. Do you think it was wise to destroy our economy by shutting everything down instead of having high-risk people isolate and use precautions while keeping things open?
I'll add
3. Why should an EUA vaccine even be given when effective treatments are available? The CDC, pre-china flu, did not allow for any EUA at all if effective treatments were available.
Goalie, Maybe 700LH has a government job and could care less about the economy?
At least 700lh has Larry Root on his side..... that's somethin....
Larry, fear, and feelings.
ungawa cheetah ungowa
Again:
1. Do you think the China flu was well handled by the CDC?
2. Do you think it was wise to destroy our economy by shutting everything down instead of having high-risk people isolate and use precautions while keeping things open?
I'll add
3. Why should an EUA vaccine even be given when effective treatments are available? The CDC, pre-china flu, did not allow for any EUA at all if effective treatments were available.
Goalie, Maybe 700LH has a government job and could care less about the economy?
At least 700lh has Larry Root on his side..... that's somethin....
Larry, fear, and feelings.
ungawa cheetah ungowa
Again:
1. Do you think the China flu was well handled by the CDC?
2. Do you think it was wise to destroy our economy by shutting everything down instead of having high-risk people isolate and use precautions while keeping things open?
I'll add
3. Why should an EUA vaccine even be given when effective treatments are available? The CDC, pre-china flu, did not allow for any EUA at all if effective treatments were available.
Goalie, Maybe 700LH has a government job and could care less about the economy?
Well, then he could answer and say that.
Fear and selfishness do go hand in hand........
He thinks we are rubes..... and he is the smart one.... lmao
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