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This is not true. An even casual reading of the Bible shows the truth. It was as wrought with division then as it is now.

I have seen first hand abuse and favoritism based on who is or isn’t a Mormon.

I don’t know if it’s like that everywhere but it was prevalent where I lived.

Do you read the Bible if so you will see that Christ laid out what is essential so it does not matter "who says". You seem obsessed with what people say.

Do you believe God exists?
If no. Then google William Lane Craig for a good start.
If yes. Then you must believe in the supernatural ability of His power to comunicate the truth.

Being born of water means being born from the womb. Sprinkling water on someone is not being born. No where in the Bible does anyone say water baptism is essential.

Here He is clearly says being born of the water is being born of the flesh.

"Jesus answered, “Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born of water and the Spirit, he cannot enter the kingdom of God. That which is born of the flesh is flesh, and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit."
(Joh 3:5-6 ESV)

I'm LDS. It seems pointless to discuss it here I just figured I'd stand and be counted. I get enough crap about it from my own family. They belong to a congregation called cowboys for Christ that might have 200 members. If I don't get baptized into their congregation and become a real Christian I'm going to hell.

It's going to be lonely for them in heaven with only 200 of them. They believe Christ vicariously died for their sins but think I'm going to hell for believing someone can vicariously be baptized for someone who never had an opportunity. They believe that works don't matter and that they are saved by grace but only if they do the work of being baptized into their one and only congregation.

They say God is fair and just and loves all of his children but think he's only going to save those baptized into their congregation. So if you don't live in Southern Idaho you are screwed.

I'll be spending Father's day weekend with them and can't wait for them to tell me the same old Revelations says you can't add anything to this book or you're going to hell. Then I say do you even realize how and when the Bible was put together. And, who did it and that Revelation might be the last book in it but it was written as a stand alone and wasn't the last written time wise in the Bible. BTW they hate the Catholic religion too.

A big part of me is just happy they've found some sort of religion other than partying. If they have to answer for how they treated us as kids they'll need it. It seems like my only refuge growing up was at my LDS neighbors home so at about 17 I joined them. It was a great move for me but to each his own. I know as well as anyone that LDS people are far from perfect but I've yet to meet anyone of any religion who was. I just think a religion should at a minimum ask you to try to be a better person.

Sorry if none of this makes sense but I've been awake all night in pain again and these long rambling posts help take my mind off of it.

Bb

Burleyboy,

No worries buddy. I am friends with a number of Mormons. I just don’t understand why they don’t want me to join.

Not that I would. But they could at least ask.

1 Timothy 1:15
15 This is a faithful saying, and worthy of all acceptation, that Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners; of whom I am chief

Isn’t that what Christ came here to do? Yet all the chatter of who is right and who is wrong divides the sinners and makes all Christians finding fault with other faiths, nothing more than who they are condemning.

Of all the problems we face in this crazy world right now...I'd put the LDS and their people so far down the list as to be invisible.

Probably about 30 some %. University town, historically a little more industrial than the rest of South East Idaho. Everybody knows what everyone else believes, and there's not much "attempts to convert" going on.

When I say "predominantly". I'm thinking of the smaller rural farming towns, which can be upwards of 90% mormon. Heck, where I farm, even the Mexican farm hands go to the LDS church. Just a matter of convenience, at that point. At that level of LDS membership, the church becomes the center of everything, boy scouts, social activities, everything. The fair is organized in church, that sort of thing. Again, not out of malicious intent, but because the good, upstanding citizens with a civic bent are in church together for three hours every Sunday, and that's where the vast majority of networking takes place. But if you have kids that don't go there, they will simply be left out (unless they are targeted for "recruitment", at which point there will be a very deliberate effort to include them..... until they make it known they aren't interested in becoming a member. At which point they are dropped by their "friends", at the direction of their parents. ). Again, not out of malice, at all, but that's just the way it works, and it's incredibly tough on especially young kids.

The same thing goes for trying to run a business that is built on relationships. Don't start an insurance brokerage in a predominantly mormon town unless you are a mormon. It's just not going to go well because you will be excluded from the primary networking system in the community, and there's not a Lion's club or Rotary you can join to make up for it.

Not at all.

STFU you whiny old bitch.

Hint:
They don’t like drunkards.

Old Coot managed to stay single and sterile his whole life.

LOL

You ain’t never not been wrong.

As always, drunkard.

Get the dishes washed and the clothes all folded and put away then come back to us. Madam Brown.

I was going to go golf with my kids.

Not something you can do.

LOL

. I am sorry you feel that way. I can see how kids would feel left out. In my neighborhood this happens when some kids go to a charter school and most others go to regular school. The public regular school kids see each other every day, The charter school kids don’t integrate as well with the others on church activities.

Our teachings say to love all and help others. If you come across an lds person who you feel is treating you the opposite that is against our own teachings.

I do have a bias I will admit to. I don’t want my kids to marry non members. But that is really because marriage is hard enough and mixing cultures is just even harder. I think the closer culture your spouse is the better chance your marriage has.

Burley, I am sure there is more to your story. Probably interesting. Your decision will impact generations. Love that part of Idaho, it’s like going back in time 20 years.,

You’re wrong yet again.

What a dumbf’k you are and ever shall be.

Enjoy your time at Putt Putt.

My SDA Uncle was married to the most wonderful LDS woman in the world for fifty years before she passed from heart issues. The four kids did Sabbath School on Sat and Mormon Sunday School on Sunday.

It was an interesting relationship.

And that is why an Adventist Pastor will not marry a member to a nonmember. Yes, you can get married, but the Pastor will not perform the ceremony.

Born of water means baptism, not being born period. It is non-sensical and redundant to say you can't be saved unless or until you've been born. Duh! There is a reason that the Eunuch sought baptism immediately after his conversion. How essential is baptism to salvation? Even Christ was baptized and baptism was an essential ordinance in the early church.