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"Rapture" is a modern heretical invention. Everyone who is alive at the time will all have to eat of the same schitt sammich that's is coming.

I joined Deacon Flave's congregation last year, but I sort of fell out of favor with the powers that be for reasons to be determined. But later this year I'll be back in the Holy Land for business and I was thinking of heading up to the Galilee to get dunked in water (I mean drinking a bunch of beer in Tiberias, eating even more grilled lamb and then swimming in the Kineret when I run out of beer).

The Bible shows three separate and distinct raptures.

A Pre Tribulation rapture of Church Age believers described primarily in 1 Thessalonians 4 and 1 Corinthians 15. This one is for the Bride of Christ -- His Body.

A Mid Tribulation rapture -- not for the Bride of Christ -- the church, but saved people from the first part of the Tribulation to provide guests for the Marriage supper of the Lamb. (halfway through the tribulation.) Matthew 24

A Post Tribulation Rapture of people who were saved throughout the Tribulation -- the time of Jacob's trouble. Jeremiah 30:7

Have fun with that one. I was talking to a a guy once who said he didn't believe in the rapture. I asked him which one he didn't believe in. Stuff like that cracks me up. That is why you are told to rightly divide the word of truth because there are divisions in it, and you can ball it up like a Chinese fire drill.

In Matt 24, JESUS is speaking to 4 men, Peter, Andrew, James and John, and he said that 'they' would see the great tribulation, he further said that 'all these things' will happen to THIS generation!?!?!?!?!?

True. And, if you approve, free to read and comment. K?

II Corinthians 5:7...

"Therefore we are always confident, knowing that, whilst we are at home in the body, we are absent from the Lord: (For we walk by faith, not by sight:) We are confident, I say, and willing rather to be absent from the body, and to be present with the Lord."

You probably already know, Idaho Shooter, but for those who might have background in the two religions that teach that a soul sleeps in their dead body in the grave...the word sleep is synonymous with the body's death. That is clearer in the previous verse.

I Thessalonians 4
"But I would not have you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning them which are asleep, that ye sorrow not, even as others which have no hope. For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him.....and so shall we ever be with the Lord."

There's a few verses I left out for brevity, but you get the idea and context.

The first sentence is a spiritual fact that he doesn't want us " to be ignorant "of. He wants us to know that...
A. Not to sorrow as those who have no hope.
Hope of what? Reuniting with family. It is conditional on the following.
B. " IF we BELIEVE that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him.....and so shall we ever be with the Lord."

This is a condensed way of saying the same thing described in my previous post above .
That promise was for your grandmother as well as for you.

In spite of our differences over the past, I hope that you will see her some day. That is a very real promise from Genesis and repeated in more details and clarity as the Bible unfolds.

The promise of everlasting life with the Lord is offered to who quit trying to be good enough for heaven and simply decide to believe part B.

Then the last sentence is...
"Wherefore comfort one another with these words." 18

This comfort applies to all who know that none of us deserves anything but condemnation. " There's none righteous, no not one."

John 3:18 18
https://www.kingjamesbibleonline.org/John-3-18/

That leaves us all condemned . There's no amount of good works we can do for salvation.
Believe is the key word.
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I could care less, bender, no approval required or implied unless you insist on making it appear that way.

What I said still holds. K?

One of my very few regrets in this life is that I was unable to lie and tell Grandma that I expected to see her again.

Those words would have made her gloriously happy. But I could NOT lie to her.

Ditto! 😁

Don’t sweat the small stuff, IS. As long as someone draws a breath, they are not lost. Salvation is a lot more simple than the sages will let on. The gift is there for anyone to accept. I hope you make the right choice. Then give our best to your grandma.

Amen to that!

I dunno? Better to go with cut and sew for ruptures, or go with mesh? My doc messed up one side with mesh.

I seem to recall there was once a "sub 'fire" titled "Religion" or some such thing. Ya know a place for the believers to chat. Whatever happened to it?

"Christ at the Campfire". He got run off.

They ate each other.

LOL

I know how you feel.
The good thing is that people have a challenging time trying to see the need for the Savior. We all tend to add preconceived notions of what we must add to the sacrifice to be saved. There's a laundry list of good works as many as sins we can remember. When that challenge is overcome by the realization of being personally condemned, the solution is clear.
The rest of the quote above from Christ is here from the top of the page down to verse 18.

https://www.kingjamesbibleonline.org/John-3-18/

It's repeated exactly 100 times in different ways in that short book, but all pointing to Him as the only object of trust for salvation.

Here's a plain one from Acts 16:30...
"Sirs, what must I do to be saved? And they said, Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house."

A jailor asked the question and the response was the same for him as it was for all his family.

https://youtu.be/Efg-DarUE7U

But you fail to understand. I am sweating nothing. I am comfortable with my decision to remain honest with Grandma. I was sad to see her less than happy, but it could not have been different.

I have lost nothing as I know for a fact there is nothing after the EEG goes flat. Even the Universe shall end in due time. Man will go extinct long before that. And I shall be extinct even long before that.

If some folks need the crutch of Religion and the threat of Hell to prevent their descent into depravity: great. I am glad those who need that have it available.

If some folks feel complete and or fulfilled by their religion: Wondeful! I am glad for them.

But I have never felt the need for a hope for a better future than I can build for myself.

All I can find between the covers of the Bible is myth and propaganda invented by a Priesthood to keep that Priesthood fat, wealthy, and well laid.

Even believers tend to disagree with each other.