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Good grief ....... what a crying shame .....go away for a weekend and look what happens indeed.... are the prayer requests next?

Even when CATC was active, I'd post my prayer request on the Hunter's Campfire and specifically request it NOT be moved to CATC............

However, multiple user PMs are now my preferred method............

Hope not. I have been impressed by that here more than anything else. The kinship and brotherhood shared here is most of the draw for me. The other hunting, drinking, fishing, spitting, burping, scratching, farting, joking, shooting, and fighting yahoos on here are just the gravy on top!

Thank you all for being who you are.

Barak

.......and therein lies the problem. I don't really care what YOUR interpretation of 'the consequences' might be. That is the root cause of problems with discussing religion online. Everyone thinks his personal interpretation of God and his thoughts is the only one with merit, and you guys look down your sanctimonious noses at anyone with the chutzpah to disagree.

Oh, stop.

If you pulled that quote deliberately out of context just to have an example from which to make a point, okay fine: but your point isn't addressed to me, because nowhere in that post did I even mention my "personal interpretation of God." I didn't even approach it obliquely.

I spoke only of my personal interpretation of Jews. Given most of what I see here, I expect I have as much experience with Jews (real ones, I mean, not the ones from the Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion, or Mein Kampf, or the various writings of Martin Luther) as anyone here and more than most: therefore while my "personal interpretation" may not be quite as accurate as what we'd get from a real Jewish guy (have you noticed that they (and black guys, for that matter) seem to be fairly scarce around here?), I'd cheerfully set it up against anything somebody like you would be able to bring to the table.

In another thread I just posted fairly authoritatively--but not any more judgmentally than I did here--to HoundGirl about left hand placement for jackass benchresting without a machine rest. Why aren't you all over me in that thread for being "sanctimonious?"

It's obvious: because you have a hard-on for religious people and you can't bear to allow them to engage in conversation without jumping in and trying to stir them up and set them against each other.

It's a really juvenile impulse; but there's room on the Internet for everybody. (Yours is probably over on myspace.com somewhere.) If you want to paddle around in the kiddie pool, I'll cheerfully leave you to your pursuits; but on this topic it'd be best for you not to try to swim with the big boys, because you can't seem to keep from embarrassing yourself, and it's damaging your credibility elsewhere.

what I see Barak, is your continuing effort to portray yourself as having the only valid viewpoint on any given subject. I pretty much discount most of what you spout, but certainly in this case, you have shown me once again, that your delusions of intellectual prowess are, well, delusions.

Actually, the Bible isn't open for interpretation ...... translation is not the same as interpretation. There are plenty of what appears to be"contradictions" in the word but they are there to make one go further and examine the truth .....

Barak, you have such a way with words ........ haven't ever heard that before have you? .... (big O grin)

And that is EXACTLY the problem. It's the non-believers (not the believers) who are stirring the pot and hoping to create a huge fight... so they can then step back and point fingers and say, "Look how those folks are always so nasty!"

These non-believers have succeeded in getting CATC eliminated. Now they're out to censor free speech in the other forums.

Read this very carefully, now, Mannlicher and others who have been finding their "fun" in setting folks against each other:

If you don't like what is being discussed, DON'T read and DON'T participate.

Penny

Point taken. I was not, for a minute, insinuating that I knew what it was to be Jewish but Scriptures tell me that I have been adopted. Ishmael and his descendents are not excluded from becoming a Christian nor was I, a Gentile. You carried the statement to a level that I'm not prepared to follow simply because I don't have the knowledge to even discuss those aspects.
You say that it takes 'more' than being grafted into Abraham and I have to ask, to do/be what? Being grafted into Abraham came as a result of my becoming a Christian. When I took Jesus up on His offer of salvation I had no idea of what lay in store but I didn't care. I needed Him. Abraham, or being adopted, never entered my mind. Those are things I learned later.

I will admit that I've grown weary of organized 'religion' and hope your worship services offer you more. Blessings.

Mrs Barak

Actually thats not a bad idea. You folks can have your own sandbox, or soap box, as the case may be, and just go at it.
I will probably do just that, despite the odious feeling that comes from being 'schooled' by a person such as your self.

You should, however, disabuse yourself of any thought, that my participation to date has been 'fun'. I Will continue to feel that the rancor, and contention in this thread is proof positive of the corrosive effects on polite discourse, that religious discussions always produces.
That one member finds himself at odds with another over their religious convictions, is not unusual, its the norm.

That is not how I understand what happened. According to Rick it was the believers attacking the Catholics.

Ditto, it was the believers (not all of them, obviously) in CATC doing the bashing, no doubt about it.

I disagree with that, but that should be no surprise. I don't think I've ever read anything that you've ever posted to the Campfire that I agree with.

The difference between us is that I'm perfectly happy to have you continue to be able to say whatever you want, whenever you want.

Penny

I had not been to CATC for about 3 months, so I don't know who it was doing the bashing. I would like to know.

Penny

Mrs Barak

Thanks for the validation. I take comfort in knowing that I don't live in your universe, or share your world view.

Best wishes though, to you and yours.......

Well Ms, Penny , I WAS there and I'll tell you : James { Cheeah } went WA--aa--aa -- y outside any common-sense boundries in criticizing the Roman Church . Sanlen asked some really pointed questions re Catholicism and sort of got lumped in with James [ un-fairly , I thought ,but it wasn't MY church-since I don't have one - that was being scorned ] and there was another fella who's name I can't recall right now that was pretty much an in your face kinda guy when it came to Catholics .

I kinda got thrown in with the bashing bunch in some poster's minds although with all the quotes being brought back up nobody ever posted one of my derogatory comments . Ricky D. and Shootist got tarred with the same brush , but to a lesser extent .

Understand that this is just one witness' account , Might not have been that way at all !.

Well, I HAVE heard it all now, as RC Bishop Tiny Moogens of the Netherlands has openly advocated EVERONE in that country beginning to use the Muzzie term "Allah" as THE name for God.

He says that as a RC priest in Indonesia, the priests WOULD use "Allah" for God during Mass; that, in my Catholic days, would have been considered heresy and grounds for excommunication.

I am NOT surprised, the rot is everywhere in Western "Civilization" and this is just more of the same old stuff. I am coming to hate Muslims as I do Sikhs and WE better smarten up, as WE are on this same highway to hell in cultural terms......

Muzzies...kill 'em all, let ALLAH sort 'em out.....nah, doesn't do it for me!!!

As a devout Roman Catholic, I totally object to the Bishop's proclaimation.

Frickin' idiot.

Steve

For example:


Regardless of whom you like or what you believe--or don't--you might learn something from the experience of 280sRN.

I'm with you on that Kute.

Funny thing, we have such hard-on for all the illegals coming into this country from Mexico, and I'd be willing to bet 90% of them are Christian, with lots of Catholics. They hate the muzzy's as much as anyone, yet we turn them away.

Funny....