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Originally Posted by renegade50
Can ya just beleive in God and be well armed.
It has worked for me for a long time.

Homie dont dig others preaching to him what branch of christianity is the correct one and which ones are spinoff series.

IDC what branch ya are.
Just dont impart it on me then get all offended or tell me it is your duty to spread his word.


Pretty confusing stuff getting the speil from 27 different churches from different people all the time.....

Just saying........


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Stoopiter than hell (hint) to limit it to christians.

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Imagine being in front of wabi and slappy when the guns came out. You would be safer running through south chicago in a klan suit on Saturday night.

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Every Christian should also be a die hard patriot too. If you're a patriot you believe in defending not only yourself and your family but others as well. Not just within the church either.

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Originally Posted by Jim1611
Every Christian should also be a die hard patriot too. If you're a patriot you believe in defending not only yourself and your family but others as well. Not just within the church either.
The trouble is that there are millions who call themselves Christians yet they support stuff like abortion and queer rights. They're in for a real shock when they find out that their 'christianity' is false.


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Originally Posted by Jim1611
Every Christian should also be a die hard patriot too. If you're a patriot you believe in defending not only yourself and your family but others as well. Not just within the church either.

Yes and that's most likely too.
I don't have stats, but an educated guess is that churches are still low risk venues. Most thieves go for lone weak looking prey. They typically avoid crowds of witnesses.
I brought up to your statement to a class I taught and a fed LEO reminded that puts a person at possible risk. He was right, but I add that an honorable man acts to defend the weak against criminals and then counts that cost. Reasonable person doctrine must be considered too, because we don't always see the context from the beginning.

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Being able to defend yourself is Biblical. Jesus told the disciples to buy swords and Peter was armed when Jesus was arrested.

Yes, and people reading can notice that Jesus never told Peter to turn in the sword to those soldiers. He said to put it back into the scabord. Then He asked him a leading question about fulfilling the Father's will.


There is a time and a place for every defense. I notice what Jesus said there: "Do you not think I can ask the Father, and He will give 12 legions of angels to defend?". The thing many pacifists get hung upon, is that this was THE time when Jesus needed to be vulnerable to evil for our sakes. Defense was out of the question....yet, it it were not His time, the soldiers would not have prevailed. This was a singularly special event where self-defense was not an option for Christ.

Christ's words to Peter - "Put your sword away!" was a command to Peter to THINK rationally before getting himself needlessly killed or injured. He did not tell His disciples to surrender - He instead asked the soldiers present to restrict their attention to Himself, and let the rest go. Far from a pacifistic scene.

His command through Paul - "so far as it is possible, be at peace with your neighbor" - carries with it there ARE those neighbors you simply cannot be at peace with. The Biblical mandates for defending ones house and belongings still remain after the Cross, because man's propensity for evil, corruption and crime did not vanish at the Cross.

Agreement up and down the line on this point....

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Well put TXLoader.

Where have you been on our Sunday Bible discussions?
You have a good handle on Luke 22.

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Jesus' command to turn the other cheek has been grossly misused. A slap on the cheek in those days, as it is today, is an insult, not a viscous attack. It stings but you aren't hurt, just insulted. Jesus said to walk away from insults. They aren't worth your time. Forgive and forget. This isn't the same as defending yourself and yours from a real attack.


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Originally Posted by Rock Chuck
Jesus' command to turn the other cheek has been grossly misused. A slap on the cheek in those days, as it is today, is an insult, not a viscous attack. It stings but you aren't hurt, just insulted. Jesus said to walk away from insults. They aren't worth your time. Forgive and forget. This isn't the same as defending yourself and yours from a real attack.

True.
There are many examples of self defense going back as far as Genesis 14. Abraham's nephew was captured by a confederation of allied kingdoms. Immediately, Abraham led his trained household and chased them down. With God's help, he fought against impossible odds and destroyed those many armies and rescued his nephew's family.

That example is the first mention of self defense. I have talked to pacifists and the best they can offer is that statement of Jesus taken out of context. He certainly was not disqualifying everything written in the OT about defense of family. The Luke 22:36 reference puts it in perspective.

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Several out of our congregation always go armed. If my fellow church goers were assaulted by a firearms toting person then there would be free air conditioning. I really hope I never have to do that. The Lord will deal with me when he calls me back to him. Be Well, RZ.


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Several years back our new pastor asked whether I would help him find a pistol for protection (he knows I do marksmanship training with the boy scouts). My only question to him was "are you willing to use it to shoot and possibly kill an intruder?" He said he couldn't do that; he simply wanted it to scare someone off by brandishing. Informed him the intruder would quickly figure that out and wrestle you for the gun and use it against you. "Sorry, I can't help you pastor" was my response. He was genuinely thankful for my walking him through the thought process and alternative outcomes which he had never considered.

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Originally Posted by kappa8
Several years back our new pastor asked whether I would help him find a pistol for protection (he knows I do marksmanship training with the boy scouts). My only question to him was "are you willing to use it to shoot and possibly kill an intruder?" He said he couldn't do that; he simply wanted it to scare someone off by brandishing. Informed him the intruder would quickly figure that out and wrestle you for the gun and use it against you. "Sorry, I can't help you pastor" was my response. He was genuinely thankful for my walking him through the thought process and alternative outcomes which he had never considered.

You are in a valuable position to be able to instill in those boys the biblical values of defense of family....safe, proper use of firearms and marksmanship. Many of those boys likely don't have family to help them with this challenge. The most they'll ever get is shoot em up video games followed by an army recruiter in high school.

If you want more preaching like this, bookmark this channel.

https://m.youtube.com/channel/UC67FFj2HxI-zPZceAxZXt3g/videos

And

https://m.youtube.com/channel/UC_-9fKeadckB9MU-82P2aQQ/videos

When youtube gets around to banning those channels, let me know, there will be new ones to replace these.

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Christians are dumb.

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Originally Posted by AKPENDUDE
Christians are dumb.

Everybody does dumb things from time to time.
That's one of many reasons we all need the Lord.

As far as that goes, the pacifist preachers need to put their trust in the Lord and do as He says in Luke 22:36...(see the mini sermon.)

But God's Word says, "The fool hath said in his heart there is no God."

There's no hope for that kind of dumb apart from God.
That goes for all people and even those who falsely claim to know God, but deny the gospel.....(see mini sermons in signature)

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How about Athiests, Buddhists, Hindus, Jews, Muslims, and all the rest of us?

I am pretty sure the 1'st guarantees all of us access to the 2'nd.


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What about them?

This was my Sunday sermon that I posted for believers in Jesus Christ. I copied the title of it and posted it in the title section.

The rest need to trust the only way to heaven.
Everyone has the right to defend their families, sadly though their lives end regardless to any 2A reasons. This is the first and most important consideration for every people group and individual.


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Everyone has the right to defend their families, sadly though their lives end regardless to any 2A reasons. This is the first and most important consideration for every people group and individual.


That's a bit disjointed. But it seems that you recognize we all own that right to self defense.

Some get their hackles up a bit when it sounds like proselytizing Christians are claiming to be special and endowed of rights not available to all.


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As has been said here, be aware of the surroundings. "No such thing as a fair fight".


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Originally Posted by wabigoon
As has been said here, be aware of the surroundings. "No such thing as a fair fight".


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