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Almost everything in that image is a lie.
1. You don't know what a vaccine is. It is substances that induce an immune response from the subject. All of the covid vaccines, including the m-rna vaccines do this.
2. It is not experimental. All of the vaccines have passed their phase 1, 2 and 3 clinical trials just like every other vaccine. The only truth in that point is that they use m-rna
3. The clinical trials (which as stated above make them not experimental) weren't rushed. The timeline for the trials was within standard lengths for such studies. What was shortened dramatically was the funding stages and bureaucratic bumbling in between phases. This was achieved by real time data sharing with public health authorities and a huge political will to cut red tape. This was probably the best thing Trump did during his presidency.
4. How the hell can you admit there were clinical trials and then say that 'safety testing' was skipped? That's literally the point of phase 1 and 2 clinical trials. No further 'safety testing' is required since m-rna technology has been used for other purposes for more than a decade and was worked on for decades before that. I first heard of it as an undergrad in biochemistry and microbiology classes back in the 80s.
5. "long list of side effects" compared to what? No longer than most medications that's for sure. The risks are pretty well known and are being monitored constantly in case more rare side effects show up.
6. People are dying? Well, not as fast if they get vaccinated, that's for sure. The numbers have been crunched for all age groups 12 and up and the risk of remaining unvaccinated is undeniably greater than the risk of vaccination. Anyone who says otherwise is too stupid to understand the data and should rely on their public health officials. "Do your own research" is generally code for someone who has no idea what they're talking about.
7. Not effective at preventing or containing covid? Utter nonsense - that's exactly what it does. People who say stupid schitt like this think the world is black and white and have no concept of "95% effective". Just because it's possible to catch and transmit covid when vaccinated doesn't mean you will. It's 95% less likely than if you weren't vaccinated. Only vapid copracephalic fucqs believe otherwise.
8. There are no 'hidden ingredients'. All available and easily found online.

Explain the contrived urgency to get everybody a needle jab for a virus that has a 99% survival rate??????????

I think that's a pretty simple thing to answer. We don't want to see the ER and ICU capacity in hospitals overwhelmed, reducing their ability to deal with other things like automobile accidents and heart attacks and strokes. When that happens, the death rates for everything goes way up. Besides, even 1% is more than 3.4 million Americans dead and ignores the 20% of people who get long term health effects due to damage to their organs or nervous system.

An effective vaccination campaign dramatically reduces the need for lock downs, masking and other things we're pretty tired of after more than a year dealing with this "virus that has a 99% survival rate". Or do you want to continue to cripple the economy and limit freedoms for a few more years?

People still watch fox?

Vaccine approved only under "" Pandemic Emergency Use Authorization "" ...

Never argue with a man who can and does use a phrase like "vapid copracephalic".

Priceless

I'm crippling the economy and limiting freedoms, all by myself, by not getting Dr. Frankenstein's needle jab? It's GOVERNMENT, state/province/federal, that has crippled the economy and limited freedoms, NOT people. You just lost all credibility......

interesting that CNN and the Biden administration are using the same talking points

Dana Bash apparently believes the First Amendment only applies to CNN

"Fear is an extremely useful tool in manipulating the behavior of people. And that fear has been used to create a psychological motivation to get vaccinated with a vaccine that, in my opinion, has no medical necessity, has tremendous amount of actual and potential risks, and very questionable efficacy.” – Vladimir Zelenko, MD

So it's kinda like how Nancy P thinks that the 6,7,8TH only applies to her comrades[democrats]?

Oh, I'm sure I lost credibility with you as soon as I spoke on the subject of vaccines and said anything that goes against your predefined 'beliefs' on the subject. Some just aren't built to discuss relative merits or analyse data. This just happens to be your justification for ignoring everything else regardless of facts.

I'm sure you don't understand why there were lockdowns or mask rules or any of the other public health rules imposed. For you it's all some big conspiracy and the world is supposed to be unregulated freedom with zero corresponding responsibilities.

Your propaganda is not as convincing as that of experts,who appose the demands of Government to inject a toxic substance into their bodies.

A mask that is no more effective against a virus than is using a chain-link fence to repel mosquitoes. You know that's the truth.

https://summit.news/2021/07/19/gove...fort-blankets-that-do-virtually-nothing/

Government Advisor Admits Masks Are Just “Comfort Blankets” That Do Virtually Nothing

As the UK Government heralds “freedom day” today, which is anything but, a prominent government scientific advisor has admitted that face masks do very little to protect from coronavirus and are basically just “comfort blankets”.

Dr Colin Axon, a SAGE advisor for the government told the London Telegraph that medics have given people a “cartoonish” view of how how microscopic viruses travel through the air, and the masks have gaps in them that are up to 5000 times bigger than Covid particles.

“The small sizes are not easily understood but an imperfect analogy would be to imagine marbles fired at builders’ scaffolding, some might hit a pole and rebound, but obviously most will fly through,” Axon said.

Yeah, for all of your 'facts' the majority of peer reviewed studies in reputable (ie: non pay for publish) journals on the subject tell us that masking policies reduce the R value for covid-19 by between 0.2-0.3. By themselves, they don't solve the problem, but when used in addition to physical distancing and other measures certainly keeps things under control. Vaccines reduce it by a much larger number and can eliminate the need for other measures.

Dr Axon is an engineer who specialised in energy use in urban settings and has almost zero qualifications to make these misleading statements. While the viral particles are in fact as small as he states, they are generally part of respiratory exhalants that are much larger and are in fact mostly filtered out by mask use. They are a small but useful tool in fighting respiratory epidemics. On their own, they won't solve the problem, but in conjunction with other small measures they will control the spread of a virus like covid.

Yes, your answer seems simple, but not at all factual or convincing., It is based on feelngs about hypotheticals like "we don't want to see" and fuzzy stuff like "the death rates for everything goes way up" (which, simply, is a false statement) and I would like to see your factual proof of "3.4 million Americans dead" as killed by the alleged culprit virus.. You even weasel with the terms "an effective vaccination campaign" because you do not know and cannot demonstrate that the current "campaigns" have been at all effective. If you have some hard and demonstrably true facts - then post them. Otherwise, lay off the Kool Aid and get real. That would be the more simple thing.

How much are you being paid to post your bullschitt on this forum??

The 3.4 million dead number is a direct extrapolation from the 99% survival rate. The real death rate (IFR) can't be directly measured at this time but the consensus is that it's between 0.5-1.2%. Go ahead, look it up.

When the ER and ICU are overloaded, death rates go up. Not enough medical care to go around. I'm not sure how you can debate this:

https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamanetworkopen/fullarticle/2775236

This article is specific to death rates from covid, but if you want to look around there is support for other causes of death rising in over capacity ICUs.

I agree that the current campaigns have not been terribly effective, mostly due to a bunch of ignoramuses spreading misinformation on the internet. On the other hand, 99% of covid deaths lately in the US have been the unvaccinated. It appears that you have your own Kool Aid to deal with.

When you can't debate the facts, you can always sling mud. You still in elementary school?

"The 3.4 million dead number is a direct extrapolation from the 99% survival rate."

Isn't the actual rate around 99.7%?
Which BTW doesn't include those that have had it but have not been tested?