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That damn Beav has me 2nd guessing my optics now..... damn him... this place gets $ My contribution to 10 pages....
Originally Posted by Judman PS, if you think Trump is “good” you’re way stupider than I thought! Haha
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I have a Meopta Meostar binocular for doing my looking. Great minds there. My little brother just got the latest iteration and man, they aren’t getting worse. Beav, what is your favorite while you’re hunting for lashes? When I bought them I was more flush with cash than I've been in a long while. Nevertheless, when I compared them to Swarovski and Leica and they gave me so much of the performance of the traditional alpha models for so much less I bought the Meostar. That's been a while now and I don't see myself replacing them. I've got a buddy here that kills more deer than anybody else I know. Probably averages 8-10 per season over the last 10 years. Never seen him carry a pair of bino's and his main rifle is a bone stock Tikka .270 with an old Denver Redfield 3-9 on it. I almost never carry a pair of bino's with me. One binocular is generally enough. Same…. I’d lose the 2nd bin.
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I've got a buddy here that kills more deer than anybody else I know. Probably averages 8-10 per season over the last 10 years. Never seen him carry a pair of bino's.....
I've got a buddy who has access to several pieces of prime turkey habitat on private land in Nebraska. He never hunts turkeys with anything but a bow. A scoped crossbow ? 😬🦫 A scoped crossbow wouldn't be much more challenging than a shotgun.
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It’s gaining traction…. This’ll have some legs.
Bet was 10. If you’re right...name your beer 🍺 😬 🦫 I’m watching. Bunch of damned hacks using optics anyhow. Real hunters don’t need sights. Shoot, Fred Bear managed to get after it I killed my biggest buck with an old Ted Williams pump shotgun. No sights. just a bead on the barrel. Winchester rifled slug. 195 lb. dressed 10 point.
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Depends on if it has alpha glass or not. I've got a buddy here that kills more deer than anybody else I know. Probably averages 8-10 per season over the last 10 years. Never seen him carry a pair of bino's.....
I've got a buddy who has access to several pieces of prime turkey habitat on private land in Nebraska. He never hunts turkeys with anything but a bow. A scoped crossbow ? 😬🦫 A scoped crossbow wouldn't be much more challenging than a shotgun.
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It’s gaining traction…. This’ll have some legs.
Bet was 10. If you’re right...name your beer 🍺 😬 🦫 I’m watching. Bunch of damned hacks using optics anyhow. Real hunters don’t need sights. Shoot, Fred Bear managed to get after it No doubt...Heck, we even got Blacky who’s cross eyed and can’t use a scope properly owning this thread. LOL 🦫 PS Easy Blacky....Easy....Just fun’n at you. 😝
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That damn Beav has me 2nd guessing my optics now..... damn him... this place gets $ My contribution to 10 pages.... Admirable effort, brother. 🍺🦫
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I'm a predator hunter/caller, days only now. I've been at this game for 50 years and started with 4x Weaver. Preds are big animals and I do my scanning with my eyes, scanning with a rifle or binoculars introduces more movement and a better chance of getting busted. If I can see them with my eyes I can see them in a scope. Scopes have come a long way since I started, I used to have to black out a square to see it in the scope at 300 yards. Now even low end scopes are sharp and clear. On this target with a much more modern scope the small diamond was visible. I have about 10 dedicated predator hunting rifle and don't think I have a scope over $300 but that does include Bushnell Elite 4200, Burris Signature Select, Meopta Artimes, but it does include a couple low end Weavers and Kronus scope that work well also. How well does a $90. Weaver 1-4x24mm work, it kills coyotes. Win Mod 70 222 Rem I bought it just to see how well a $90 scope would work, it is clear and precise but bulky for a 1-4. Kronus M-30 1.5-6x44mm circle dot. RPG .223 I liked this scope enough that I bought another for a custom 6x45mm bolt action. For me it is a matter of putting the crosshairs where needed not how well I can see the animals. A lowly Weaver V-3 on a rifle I drove 1700 miles for the hunt, it worked perfect for still hunting the forests of northern WI, it has proven very reliable. You can spend a $1000 more for your scopes, I'll put it into gas and hunting. Living in the PNW part time, must have made you 1/2 retarded. Of course, in daylight, optics will be brighter and clearer. Hunt your dogs at 30 minutes before or after dusk and dawn, then say your $300 scope glass is awesome. LOL 🦫 PS No hate...Just pointing out subtle differences. PPS Nice dogs killed
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Wow, I didn’t realize your greatness until now. It’s gaining traction…. This’ll have some legs.
Bet was 10. If you’re right...name your beer 🍺 😬 🦫 I’m watching. Bunch of damned hacks using optics anyhow. Real hunters don’t need sights. Shoot, Fred Bear managed to get after it I killed my biggest buck with an old Ted Williams pump shotgun. No sights. just a bead on the barrel. Winchester rifled slug. 195 lb. dressed 10 point.
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Several years ago I went on a guided prairie dog hunt with two of my adult sons. There were many fields full of dogs. We were towed along on trailers set up for shooting next to the fields. We all have Alpha glass. Of course the shooting starts hot and heavy and then tapers off gradually as the varmints get smarter. Our guide, driver, was always trying to pull us off the fields while there were still plenty of dogs in sight. Previous groups he’d had earlier were ready to move on quickly because they couldn’t see the animals with their junk optics. I loaned him my Zeiss bins so he could see what we were seeing. He was surprised at our view and at how many dogs were still out there. Wyoming several years ago I shot a big muley aiming towards the sun. I could pick him out in the whiteout conditions, but not a lot of scopes could. I’ve been whited out with lesser scopes than my S&B 3-12x50.
Using a scope on a rifle looking for animals I regard as a serious breach of ethics. In addition, it’s stupid, because the view through a serious binocular is enhanced by the stereoscopic vision provided by the bin. Everything is better with binocular vision compared to a comparable quality monocular.
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It’s gaining traction…. This’ll have some legs.
Bet was 10. If you’re right...name your beer 🍺 😬 🦫 I’m watching. Bunch of damned hacks using optics anyhow. Real hunters don’t need sights. Shoot, Fred Bear managed to get after it I killed my biggest buck with an old Ted Williams pump shotgun. No sights. just a bead on the barrel. Winchester rifled slug. 195 lb. dressed 10 point. That’s about how everyone did it back before scope and rifle sights were prevalent back when I was a kid. The old bead was a pretty good sight if the gun threw a slug well.
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It’s gaining traction…. This’ll have some legs.
Bet was 10. If you’re right...name your beer 🍺 😬 🦫 I’m watching. Bunch of damned hacks using optics anyhow. Real hunters don’t need sights. Shoot, Fred Bear managed to get after it I killed my biggest buck with an old Ted Williams pump shotgun. No sights. just a bead on the barrel. Winchester rifled slug. 195 lb. dressed 10 point. That’s about how everyone did it back before scope and rifle sights were prevalent back when I was a kid. The old bead was a pretty good sight if the gun threw a slug well. Yep. Seen a lot of deer killed with bird guns and slugs when I was a kid. Lived close to the rifle/shotgun zone border and hunted both zones. Common to see hunters toting slug loaded bird guns in both areas. That old Ted Williams did throw slugs good.
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Anyone got an example on why running top shelf scope glass is an advantage?
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🦫 Provided the scope is mechanically sound, ie, retains zero, tracks correctly, and returns to zero reliably, how could Alpha glass to top it off with be a disadvantage? That being said, if cost is a consideration, mechanical reliability is the priority. I haven’t bought what I consider to be a true Alpha glass yet. ZCO, Tangent Theta, or maybe Schmidt and Bender. If I had unlimited disposable income, would I? Absolutely. As it is, I go for the best glass I can get in a scope that has a track record for mechanical performance, at a price point I’m willing to pay. John
If my people, who are called by my name, will humble themselves and pray and seek my face and turn from their wicked ways, then I will hear from heaven, and I will forgive their sin and will heal their land. 2 Chronicles 7:14
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Anyone got an example on why running top shelf scope glass is an advantage?
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🦫 Provided the scope is mechanically sound, ie, retains zero, tracks correctly, and returns to zero reliably, how could Alpha glass to top it off with be a disadvantage? That being said, if cost is a consideration, mechanical reliability is the priority. I haven’t bought what I consider to be a true Alpha glass yet. ZCO, Tangent Theta, or maybe Schmidt and Bender. If I had unlimited disposable income, would I? Absolutely. As it is, I go for the best glass I can get in a scope that has a track record for mechanical performance, at a price point I’m willing to pay. John Well said John. Seems like most that track reliably have pretty decent glass too.
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Alpha scope glass is what you want if you are trying to see very small targets a long ways away. I've done comparisons between my Nightforce NXS's and SHV's vs. the much cheaper SWFA SS straight power 16x scopes. Not even a contest, even at 500 yards. Ill generally shoot a 2" target at that range and really have to squint and try to focus with the SWFA. Using the Nightforce scopes with MOAR reticle is like child's play. Even though the SWFA tracks equally as well as the NF scopes, the focus and resolution and clarity is no where near as good. That's where "alpha" glass prevails. Also the reason the lesser ones got sent down the road.
I try to stick with the basics, they do so well. Nothing fancy mind you, just plain jane will get it done with style. You want to see an animal drop right now? Shoot him in the ear hole. BSA MAGA
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I have a Meopta Meostar binocular for doing my looking. Great minds there. My little brother just got the latest iteration and man, they aren’t getting worse. Beav, what is your favorite while you’re hunting for lashes? When I bought them I was more flush with cash than I've been in a long while. Nevertheless, when I compared them to Swarovski and Leica and they gave me so much of the performance of the traditional alpha models for so much less I bought the Meostar. That's been a while now and I don't see myself replacing them. I've got a buddy here that kills more deer than anybody else I know. Probably averages 8-10 per season over the last 10 years. Never seen him carry a pair of bino's and his main rifle is a bone stock Tikka .270 with an old Denver Redfield 3-9 on it. I almost never carry a pair of bino's with me. One binocular is generally enough. Same…. I’d lose the 2nd bin. Buddy of mine was cruising a forest road in Colorado and lo and behold there was a pair of bins hanging on a tree limb.
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Buddy of mine was cruising a forest road in Colorado and lo and behold there was a pair of bins hanging on a tree limb.
They probably belonged to blackheart's buddy, that's why he never wears them anymore.
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I've got a buddy here that kills more deer than anybody else I know. Probably averages 8-10 per season over the last 10 years. Never seen him carry a pair of bino's.....
I've got a buddy who has access to several pieces of prime turkey habitat on private land in Nebraska. He never hunts turkeys with anything but a bow. Good for him. Does he kill many ? Every year. He's killed three out of one bunch more than once. When he knocks down a tom, the others jump on and start spurring it. The few times I've gone with him, we were in turkeys every time.
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Buddy of mine was cruising a forest road in Colorado and lo and behold there was a pair of bins hanging on a tree limb.
They probably belonged to blackheart's buddy, that's why he never wears them anymore. Nah, he's only hunted in NY, WV and ME, never out West.
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I've got a buddy here that kills more deer than anybody else I know. Probably averages 8-10 per season over the last 10 years. Never seen him carry a pair of bino's.....
I've got a buddy who has access to several pieces of prime turkey habitat on private land in Nebraska. He never hunts turkeys with anything but a bow. Good for him. Does he kill many ? Every year. He's killed three out of one bunch more than once. When he knocks down a tom, the others jump on and start spurring it. The few times I've gone with him, we were in turkeys every time. Sounds like a good turkey hunter.
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