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A nice picture as a header to start page 49,
about the superb feeder, the .458 WM, feeding being so important for a bolt action DGR.
It is ironic that the first one tested by General Hatcher in 1955 had "issues"
with feeding, but not with ballistics.



Dumb A$$ Lying Lottite Evil Doers, DALLEDs are so like DALDEDs. Such a pity.
With enough repetition, the truth may get into their thick skulls to displace the too often repeated propaganda.

Yessir, and you're most welcome Sir Ron, i'm still playing step and fetch-em catch up around here, be more than glad when the grass dies, and frost covers the fall leaves in the woods.

YESSIRREE ! Tick and chigger killing frost ! What a joyful time is winter !
The old 14th century philosophical scholar was right again, William of Ockham.

Daisy's accuracy is restored.

RC the 2 part epoxy that is used to inbed all thread in to concrete works a lot better than jb weld. you don't need the long nozzle or the double tube gun to apply it just use something to push out the same amount then mix well

Buy a donkey for the tip, 44mc, I will look for that all-thread-into-concrete epoxy at Lowe's and Home Depot. Too late for Daisy !
Your support of the Crusade for Truth is appreciated. Tell us your "Sir Name" if you want to be "Knighted."

Daisy will live to do battle again, with more frequent checking of her screw.

Definitely, holding Daisy down on the bags at the bench is harder on her forend screw.
Stress on that screw will be much less offhand or off standing rest, etc.
The sissy pad is not needed offhand, of course, and though this might be a .416 Weatherby (example below),
Daisy gets shot from the same bags and pads at the bench:





Offhand holds can utilize grips that tend to keep the forend from being ripped off.

Light load grip:



Heavy load grip:

The great discovery allowed by sacrifice of one of Daisy's screws was the 2500 fps load with 407-grainer at 3.260" COL:





This bullet is intrinsically accurate (cliched but true in this case) in the SAAMI .458 WM
with PC paint and 0.461" sizing:





Bolt action time now.

RC I might not be Night material I only have a lowly 4570 sir

44mc,Maybe you can change your handle to Sir Ken Knigghet? (from Holly Grael of course)

AGR LMAO

If you put anything between your shoulder and the rifle-a sand bag, anything and it slips or displaces while you shoot you can injure yourself.

I once had a sand bag slip and got full Lott recoil on the collar bone-my eyes were in tears following.

swiftshot,

you better be wearing your shooting helmet next time you try something like that.

I now have dozens of 10x32-1" screws for Daisy.
Might change them every hundred rounds and for sure keep them properly torqued.
This alluring fashion accessory modeled by her here is a stainless model instead of the black oxide finish ...



... also has a skinny little flat washer to make sure I am not bottoming out the screw
when I torque it to 65 inch-pounds with the F.A.T. Wrench and a hex bit.
This is as comforting as a My Pillow travel pillow.
Nothing else was loose or askew in the all inclusive check.
Occam's razor.

Damn right Sir Ron, and holy hell on the bending of grade 5 screws LOL!

LOL, funny stuff men, 44, do not be dismayed young man, Saint Bagwell came to be known as just that with a lowly 45-70 Sharps rifle.

All things .458 cal for "The Crusade Of Truth!"

If i have stepped out of line, Sir Ron may bust me back to shoveling stalls till deer season! ; ]

Gunner if Sir Ron don't bust your balls for it I will be knighted 😁😁👍

Sir Jerry is spot on, wouldn't bust him even if I could !

Sir Woods is a .460 Weatherby Magnum nut, and he makes great contributions to the Crusade,
except for the comment about Sir Ken Knigghet from Holly Grael that went right over my head.

Sir Saint Bagwell was a .45-70 Gov't. nut and immeasurably supported the Mission that transformed into the Crusade,
which he continues to contribute to from the Happy Hunting Ground.

So, 44mc, what is your "Sir Name " ?
Sir Jerry can lay the flat of his Bagwell on you whenever it is convenient.

The latest edition of MUZZLE BLASTS, August 2021, has an article entitled "Gibbs Metford Thousand Yard Rifle," pp 10-13
by Fred Stutzenberger, which starts like this:

"The 1860s were the decade in which the breechloading rifle made its serious debut as the replacement for its muzzleloading predecessor.
Ironically, that same decade witnessed the zenith of performance in long-range muzzleloading accuracy."

A quote from William Ellis Metford is also included:

"I recommend weighing powder to a quarter of a grain. I find from careful experimentation that at 1,000 yards,
95 grains will throw the bullet nearly 4.5 minutes of angle higher than 90 grains and about 2.25 minutes of angle at 500 yards.
This will equal 9 inches per grain at 1000 yards, and 2.25 inches at 500 yards.
No flask will with any certainty throw its charges nearer than 1.5 grains.
Many first-rate shots have thought they could throw charges to much less, but in every case where I have tested this belief
I have found a variation of at least 1.5 grains before 12 charges were given."

However, William Ellis Metford only obsessed and compulsed when it mattered:

"The bullets supplied for my rifle are all weighed, and in any given box are within five grains of each other as the limit of difference.
I find this is amply correct enough.
Unlike the powder item, there happens to be, for moderate differences in weight of bullets,
a compensating action, which exhibits itself especially at the long ranges."

Apparently he was never knighted by the Queen, and was never referred to as "Sir William Ellis Metford"
even though his buddy Sir Henry Halford was a regular champion of the matches, using the Metford rifling,
including 2000-yard muzzleloader matches.
Metford received royalties from the British Government for use of his rifling in military rifles on into the 1890s.

I recommend that Sir Saint Metford be Knighted for the Crusade, posthumously.
His muzzleloaders showed the way to the.461 Gibbs-Metford breech loaders and
.45-70 Gov't. across the pond which showed the way to the .458 Winchester Magnum.
The .458 Lott was a step backwards.

Allen Sir Ron