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Always liked this way of thinking. As if a critter will die easier from a smaller caliber/cartridge when shot by a kid or woman than if same cartridge/caliber were used by a big ol boy.
My 250 did a nice job on several pigs last year, one shot apiece. 100 grain Game Kings. I guess the pigs didn't know I'm 6' 2'' and about 225.  I am calling bullschitt. No way you killed anything with a Sierra bullet especially a GK. Those things slip cores and blow up.
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Don't tell the pigs about that either.
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Don't tell the pigs about that either. They would squeal on ya!!🤣🤣🤣
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I killed a good one, about 150 pounds, with an 85 grain Speer boat tail out of a 243, and Speer boat tails are softer than Sierras.
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I killed a good one, about 150 pounds, with an 85 grain Speer boat tail out of a 243, and Speer boat tails are softer than Sierras. I think they are a lot like the 85 grain Sierra Varminter, dang fine deer bullet.
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Some worry about the "pass through" while I've lately been interested in the "drop down."
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Never had an issue getting the Sierra through deer. Not like they are a big creature.
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In his famous book, Larry Koller listed around 11 cartridges as being most frequently carried by guys he associated with in the 1930s and 40s. They were the 250 Sav, 257 Robts, 30-30 Win, 30 Rem, 300 Sav, 303 Sav, 30-40 Krag (another of his favorites), 303 Brit, 32 Win, 32 Rem, and 35 Rem. Most shots were taken at 150 yds or less in the Southern NY counties in which they hunted. He called the Savage .250 " a wonderful little jobber for women and small statured men " . I love that book . In the last edition , written in the preamble , his son and daughter stated he never took them hunting or fishing ? I guess he was ornery fellow ? Wouldn't take his kids hunting or fishing?? Sounds like a real dick head!! I knew Paul Koller a little toward the end of his life when he was a fly fishing guide out of Missoula, MT. Paul told me that Larry was a distant, non-participtive, father, more interested in his image and his interests than paying much attention to his own kids and supporting their interests. I never met Larry, but Paul was a nice guy and I have no reason to doubt what he told me.
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Well, I caved and found a newer looking Tang Safety Ruger 77 in 250 Savage last week.. Couldn't handle all the talk and the rifle looks mint for being made in 1976. Should get it this week or next. Just for grin's, I ran some of my Lapua 22-250 brass through my 257 expander mandrel. Came out well, so assuming dies get in, I'll have it up and shooting pretty quick if it isn't a dog of a rifle. I have some 100 grain Sierra PH's, 110 ELDX's, 115 BT's and probably some other stuff as well. Hopefully something will perk. I have an older Zeiss 3x9 that should work fine on top of it.
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35 grains of H4895 under those 100 grain Sierras would be a good one to try.
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35 grains of H4895 under those 100 grain Sierras would be a good one to try. Thanks buddy. I was hoping you'd chime in with a quick load. Never loaded for one of them so a decent accuracy load won't hurt to get the rifle zeroed and see what it does.
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It has done well for me with Ballistic Tips and Game Kings, no reason it shouldn't do well with a Pro Hunter.
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That was my first inclination. I have some 100 grain Partitions as well. It'll be a deer gun, so I'd think any of them should work great.
I might experiment a bit more with the 110 ELD's, just cause. Seems like some of the newer powders can get some decent speeds..
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I have a Ruger#1 I rebarreled from .270 to .250-3000, 1A configuration with a 1AB forend I shortened a bunch and installed an ebony tip. Cute as a bug, she is. The Douglas barrel is a 1-10 and handles heavy .25's with aplomb. The same bullets I use in my old slow twist Savages work a treat in the Ruger too, so that's what I've created a goodly stash of- 87 gr. Speers. I doubt there's a deer anywhere that'll tell the difference in what bullet I strike it with, 87's or 100's. 13 grains of lead ain't much in the whole scheme of things.
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Going to shoot this one this coming weekend.Been sitting in the box too long. ![[Linked Image from i.postimg.cc]](https://i.postimg.cc/QNP1fmn1/img-0066.jpg)
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That's a nice one! Can't wait to get the little fella out. It'll be a nice relief from the Whelen, 9.3, and bigger stuff for some gun time.
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Well, I caved and found a newer looking Tang Safety Ruger 77 in 250 Savage last week.. Couldn't handle all the talk and the rifle looks mint for being made in 1976. Should get it this week or next. Just for grin's, I ran some of my Lapua 22-250 brass through my 257 expander mandrel. Came out well, so assuming dies get in, I'll have it up and shooting pretty quick if it isn't a dog of a rifle. I have some 100 grain Sierra PH's, 110 ELDX's, 115 BT's and probably some other stuff as well. Hopefully something will perk. I have an older Zeiss 3x9 that should work fine on top of it. Expanding the 22-250 brass came out well? It may not be as simple as that. This may cause the case necks to be thin and a 250 die may not size the necks down far enough to hold a bullet properly. Also, make sure to check case length. In addition, necking up to 250, in most cases, requires pushing the shoulder back so when running the case into the 250 die the first time, make sure it is lubed properly and do it in small steps. This process is why I don't do it anymore. I fireform with standard rifle primers, Unique powder and "Cream of Wheat" filler. Pay attention to pressure with reformed cases as you may experience sticky bolt lift with working loads in a 250-3000 cases.
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Well, I caved and found a newer looking Tang Safety Ruger 77 in 250 Savage last week.. Couldn't handle all the talk and the rifle looks mint for being made in 1976. Should get it this week or next. Just for grin's, I ran some of my Lapua 22-250 brass through my 257 expander mandrel. Came out well, so assuming dies get in, I'll have it up and shooting pretty quick if it isn't a dog of a rifle. I have some 100 grain Sierra PH's, 110 ELDX's, 115 BT's and probably some other stuff as well. Hopefully something will perk. I have an older Zeiss 3x9 that should work fine on top of it. Expanding the 22-250 brass came out well? It may not be as simple as that. This may cause the case necks to be thin and a 250 die may not size the necks down far enough to hold a bullet properly. Also, make sure to check case length. In addition, necking up to 250, in most cases, requires pushing the shoulder back so when running the case into the 250 die the first time, make sure it is lubed properly and do it in small steps. This process is why I don't do it anymore. I fireform with standard rifle primers, Unique powder and "Cream of Wheat" filler. Pay attention to pressure with reformed cases as you may experience sticky bolt lift with working loads in a 250-3000 cases. Will do, thanks for the heads up. I will keep any eye out for any issues. Worst case is I have to spring for some 250 brass.
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I've looked at 6.5 Creedmoor brass and thought that a fella could make .250 brass out of it fairly easily. Anybody done that?
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I've looked at 6.5 Creedmoor brass and thought that a fella could make .250 brass out of it fairly easily. Anybody done that? It'd be interesting to lube one up and send it into the FL die and see what pops out.
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