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"Nothing wrong with the 7MM Rem Mag but if you reload it only has an advantage over the 30.06 with the lighter bullets." Nothing wrong with the 7MM Rem Mag but if you reload it only has an advantage over the 30.06 with the lighter bullets. If you have a 30.06 with a 24" barrel it will shoot the 165 gr and 180 gr bullets about as fast as the 7mm Rem Mag shoots the 160 gr and 175 gr bullets with a lot less powder. The trajectories will be nearly identical. Fans of the 7 mag look askance at one for the comment, and have done so for at least thirty years. But in all reality the 30-06 and 7 mag are ballistic twins in the game fields, when the 30-06 is loaded to its full potential, ie equivalent pressures with the 270. There are white lies, lies, damn lies, and then there is 7mmRM published load data. 7mmRM 66.7 gr IMR-4451, 140 gr Nos bal tip, 3.34" 3384 fps chrono QL predicts 3301 fps 64 kpsi using H4350 =2.5% error "Nothing wrong with the 7MM Rem Mag but if you reload it only has an advantage over the 30.06 with the lighter bullets." Really?
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This is just stupid. He should buy a 7 mag and a 30-06 and a 7x57 and a 22-250 and a 223 and a 375H&H and whatever the hell he wants and can afford.
But if he marries the wrong women he will have to be happy with never purchasing a gun again? wtf?
I will go to hell before I let a woman tell me I can't buy a gun with the money I earn
Originally Posted by Judman
PS, if you think Trump is “good” you’re way stupider than I thought! Haha
Sorry, trump is a no tax payin pile of shiit.
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Every now and then I find y'all somewhat funny. Not often, but it happens once in awhile. It's only every now and again, thems somewhat funny, so you are right on track. Kudos for effort to all.
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Holocaust Deniers, the ultimate perverted dipchits: Bristoe, TheRealHawkeye, stophel, Ghostinthemachine, anyone else?
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No flies in the 7RM. However, the 30-06 seems to lead every poll on this forum for taking the most game. I would pick the ‘06 simply to ensure it stays in the family long term. I look at it from the same direction Orion does. My vote is for the 30-06. (And family)
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LOL, correct Hanco... 
Originally Posted by Judman
PS, if you think Trump is “good” you’re way stupider than I thought! Haha
Sorry, trump is a no tax payin pile of shiit.
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There have been a lot of good answers already.
+1 on the 30-06, cause it's Grandpa's.
+1 on the idea of a 7mm-08. But I'd get the 30-06 first
+1 on buying reloading equipment. That way, you can make the 30-06 do whatever you want.
I've shot but never owned a 7mmRem Mag. I always felt it was too much recoil for what you got out of it. Folks are going to argue, and that's fine. YMMV
The first thing I'd do with an 80's vintage Rem 700 is get an aftermarket trigger/safety installed. The horror stories of Rem 700's going off at unexpected times queered me to the model years ago. The issue (danger) with the Remington triggers is absolutely true! Truth is the Remington is and always has been a poor design. Remington rifles can’t hold a candle to numerous other rifles in terms of design, reliability, or safety. You’re smoking crack. You are welcome to your opinion. Keep your crack.
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So, for craps and giggles I just read to OP and his following posts to
Mrs, Buck!
"Sheeez, if he is afraid to not be able to buy a gun after marriage,
he either needs to grow a pair or find a different Chickadee!"
To me,
"Can I comment?" I told here I was going to put it here.
Then, she said.
"I wonder if she is gonna work, or is she going to be a kept woman spending
his money for entertainment?"
This is the chauvinist I live with.😊
Told you all earlier, I got a good 'un!
Parents who say they have good kids..Usually don't!
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I have both and I really like both.How they perform on game matching the bullet weight for the game your hunting,I really can't tell any difference between the two.Way out there,the 7mag may be a bit flatter,but inside a couple hundred yards,I'm equally confident shooting either one.
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As Bob Hagel would say"You should not use a rifle that will kill an animal when everything goes right; you should use one that will do the job when everything goes wrong."Good words of wisdom...............
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No deer or Elk will know the difference. This! There is no wrong choice here.
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This is just stupid. He should buy a 7 mag and a 30-06 and a 7x57 and a 22-250 and a 223 and a 375H&H and whatever the hell he wants and can afford.
But if he marries the wrong women he will have to be happy with never purchasing a gun again? wtf?
I will go to hell before I let a woman tell me I can't buy a gun with the money I earn Hell, I got rid of one once cuz she didn't like my dog and said she would never sleep in the same bed with her. She was a damn good piece of ass but damn, the dog was here long before her and was a faithful companion.
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One of each and can the woman if she doesn't like him spending.
The last time that bear ate a lawyer he had the runs for 33 days!
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30-06 is never a bad choice.
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Since caliber is a moot point, as either will provide the adequate dose of medicine, I would suggest to him the following.
3006 And use the money he saves on the 7 for reloading equipment and supplies. Right now he is young enough to establish an interest, habits and energy to do some reloading with proper guidance from a family member. That should get them both in the field sharing quality time during this busy life.
PS: Suggest that he bring her over for lunch followed by some fun range time a week Saturday. By then you can gather hearing protection, plugs and ears. Buy a box of 22s and 3006. Gather your Dad's 06. Keep it light and fun. Have a print out of Jeff Cooper's Safety Rules and go over that as you teach them after lunch at the range. Once she is ready and familiar with the manual of arms, start with fun targets like balloons, clay pigeons, plastic kid's toys, etc. Share the '06 and give it's history, asking if he has decided yet. If not, maybe it's better for his brother.. Lastly, wash hands and make ice cream sundaes. End on a positive note. If this becomes a routine and she wants to continue with session #2 , then he and she can get aquatinted enough to learn if she will be demanding of the purse strings or he will lead. If she's secure enough with him, she should follow his leadsership. She also will have less challenges with his modest purchases because: A. She knows that he will provide her needs B. They will share a common interest.
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Since caliber is a moot point, as either will provide the adequate dose of medicine, I would suggest to him the following.
3006 And use the money he saves on the 7 for reloading equipment and supplies. Right now he is young enough to establish an interest, habits and energy to do some reloading with proper guidance from a family member. That should get them both in the field sharing quality time during this busy life.
PS: Suggest that he bring her over for lunch followed by some fun range time a week Saturday. By then you can gather hearing protection, plugs and ears. Buy a box of 22s and 3006. Gather your Dad's 06. Keep it light and fun. Have a print out of Jeff Cooper's Safety Rules and go over that as you teach them after lunch at the range. Once she is ready and familiar with the manual of arms, start with fun targets like balloons, clay pigeons, plastic kid's toys, etc. Share the '06 and give it's history, asking if he has decided yet. If not, maybe it's better for his brother.. Lastly, wash hands and make ice cream sundaes. End on a positive note. If this becomes a routine and she wants to continue with session #2 , then he and she can get aquatinted enough to learn if she will be demanding of the purse strings or he will lead. If she's secure enough with him, she should follow his leadsership. She also will have less challenges with his modest purchases because: A. She knows that he will provide her needs B. They will share a common interest. You forgot the part about teaching her to tithe the money he makes.
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I would pick a 30-06 over the 7 mag every time.
The family provenance is icing on an already great cake!
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Not that difficult. The complication is your asking for others opinion.
Never take life to seriously, after all ,no one gets out of it alive.
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Since we’re off the tracks
I traded $306 black plastic Rem700 in 7mmMag, with Simmons scope
for a Marlin 1895G 450 marlin, 100 rounds of factory ammo, dies, rings, bases, leather sling, canvas bag and a steel dan cd
Loved the 7 rem mag
But Cleadus the power line right of way hunter wanted it bad. LOL You stole it and should be reported to the feds for Cleadus abuse. If the 1895G (ported guide gun) is in any decent type of shape, combined with the ammo and the rest ..... you should have a guilty conscience. $306.00 traded for what is now easily (if it is a JM stamped Marlin, which I assume it is) .... now easily $1200.00 worth of gun and accessories, maybe more.
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