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What exactly did you expect to happen when you posted this data set here with this title?

Your admonishment of a poster with disparate experiences than your own suggests that you're either obtuse, or trying to hide behind a facade of "good intentions" in the form of a Leupold PSA.

What this proves to me that in a precision match setting, 81 out of 105 competitors chose Leupolds. 77%! That is a ringing endorsement for what they are doing. Maybe people need something else for other applications, but not many of the Leupy haters are fast-roping behind enemy lines.

I will say the question of which model of any those scopes used is a fair one. Some might find it hard to believe, but 25 years ago, some Tasco models were highly regarded in precision shooting circles. That was of course when George Rosenfield owned the company and he imported his scopes from Japan, some made to his specs by such manufacturers as Hakko.

Ringing endorsement or a shallow pool to choose from? There aren’t many lightweight, thin reticled turret scopes. Leupold and Sightron. Weaver is gone. These people are probably using old scopes. Premier made the list and I’ll go out on a limb and say they aren’t the tactical line that doesn’t exist anymore. They are probably Leupolds that they worked over from the 90s.

Could be. Maybe Pugs will take a look at his next match and let us know?

Rimfire Rifle "Precision" predicated upon 4 MOA targets,no further than 100yds away,is an oxymoron...espoused by Morons. Read that again. Now one more time. Hint.

It's enough to horn The City Slickin' Haybale & Crockett crowd up though. Hint. LAUGHING!

Bless their High Fence Hearts.

Hint.

Fhuqking LAUGHING!.................

Actually, if your comprehension was up to par and read what I posted, it's the exact opposite . In fact, if you READ what I posted to my good friend John 55, it might prove enlightening. But just in case it "takes" what part of "I'm not a knob turner" did you not get? As to what I expected, your post, along with a few others here, are indicative of what I predicted. I do have to say, I found your comment about "they lose zero" whilst sitting in your safe, particularly amusing...

Anything shooting is still always better than working.

Short range, long range.

I started with an El Paso Weaver T-10 as my first dedicated scope, within a year or so I moved up to a T-16 and to this day I still think that they were absolutely the best silhouette scope ever designed. I used T-16's for a lot of years and never had a failure to track, or even better, I never doubted the tracking on them. They still show up occasionally but their weight and so-so optics put them out of favor, most of the ones still out there show a lot of yellowing on the lens, but they still track great. I still don't understand why someone isn't building a scope with the micro-trac system, the patent has to long expired. If I ever run across a T-16 at a reasonable price I will likely buy it just for old times sake.

When I started competing the state of the art High-Power Standard was a Rem 700 Varminter, in a Fajen thumbhole stock silhouette stock, with a Weaver T-16 on it. A friend still has one set up like that and I shot it a few years ago and it was still a competitive set-up. I had forgotten how good the Fajen stock felt.

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I re-read your posts. My initial discernment stands. Not sure what "not being a knob twister" has to do with a good portion of what's been discussed in this thread, or, more specifically, how it interrelates with my comments, but its obviously important to you to point out again the functionality you don't expect from your equipment.

In point of fact, you posted much more than the "Data sheets with numbers. PERIOD". You purposefully gave the thread an oxymoronic title, and in addition to the "Data Sheets", you added "Guess most of these guys didn't get the memo on Leupold". That's pretty standard trolling bait. To which, I admit, I bit. What I found worthy of pointing out is that you then proceeded to show ire towards and accuse posters, who simply shared their experiences with the subject matter, of doing exactly what you actually did in kicking the thread off. You basically dared the CF community at large to disagree with what you obviously considered to be a substantive metric that would definitively quell all of those nasty, distressing, baseless, Troglodyte Leupold "haters" on The Fire, and then got hurt feelings over people doing what you claimed to have expected them to do at the outset. Hence my comment on your intentions and expectations with this thread

As to scopes loosing zero in a safe: How would you classify it when scopes change POI between uses? I'm far from the first one to report on such phenomenon with Leupolds. I can state that without any black magic, priests, or lengthy incantations, such goings on went away when I branched out to other brands of scope. Anyhoo, glad you haven't noticed any such shortfalls yet and are happy so far with your equipment. As previously stated, I hope your luck holds.

I don't remember what I started with but, I do remember using the .280 AI, .30/06, .260 Rem and finally the .308 Win. The Weaver T-10 was the scope to get for silhouette when I was competing. Agreed the optics being so-so on the Weaver but, for what I used them for it was good enough. IIRC I had a thumbhole stock (I think it was a B&C Premier) on the .280 AI and IMO it was just about perfect for me!

The rifle I used for small bore was the Ruger M77/22 LR and -get this- a Simmons 3x9 scope!

My thoughts were maybe the shooter was losing zero between shoots....

I'm sure that some are shooting Leupolds from the 90's but I know of at least 10 of use that have ones that were bought within the last three years.

I'd buy a beverage for the guy shooting a Tasco. I hope he won!

My fuggin god that is beautiful! Congrats!

LOL Jorge, didn't know had safes full of junk optics either, will say, like Beretzs, broke the cam/cams in two different 1.5-5's with my 505 Gibbs chunking 600gr Woodleigh solids at 2450+ fps, it's a scope eating heifer that remains an Express Sight only rifle, makes perfect sense, i dont need a scope for shooting couches at 16 yards ; ]

There you go...

And to explain further; John 55s post is indicative of a well-reasoned and valid counter-argument, while Dave's was not, as Pugs so eloquently retorted.

Also, if you will notice, I was specific in that I believed ALL OF YOU that had Leupold issues (except for yours of losing zero whilst in the safe, that's noteworthy of a signature line). Regarding the "I'm not a knob turner", i followed that by saying I much prefer reticles like the B&C Leupold used to offer.

Now I'll go back to the Campfire Forum and maybe start a new thread like "If you think JFK was killed by Oswald only, you're a kook." Fun times...

Anyone bad mounting Leupold is likely a paid internet China scope trOll.

I heard Kennedy was shot with Remington XP100 .221 Fireball with a Leupold scope sitting on top....

I just can[t understand how a respected poster gets bashed because he expresses his satisfaction with Leupold. Are you calling him a liar because of his experience?

A lot of people here need to grow the F up. That's why we are losing good campfire members left and right.

Too late Jorge, the contingent of Campfire Conspiracy Theorists have moved on from the Grassy Knoll to more important conspiracies.
You know, elections, viruses, vaccines, and such……..

Hey, I'm vaccinated and the election was stolen...