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The cartridge is of less concern than the idea that he can't simply make a purchase, even at 1k in price after earning an MBA and working at a big consulting firm.
I happen to work in a company founded by people and staffed with people from "big consulting firms" - 1k should be the same as dropping a couple candy bars in the cart as you pass through the checkout. Be ridiculous to "ask permission" for that - same as a new rifle whenever he would like.
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"Ain't many problems that a man can't fix with $500 and a 30-06." Rick Springfield
Wag more, bark less.
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The men who wrote the Second Amendment didn't just finish a hunting trip, they just finished liberating a nation.
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Just get the Ot6. Ammo be easier to find in this day and age. Shoot a 165 or 168 grain bullet. 2800 fps range. Jacketed bonded bullet or monolithic copper bullet. Kill most anything easy within 400 yds.... Bestest caliber evah.....
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Grandpa's 06?
Garbage.
Get a 150 dollar Savage 308 and then you will really have something!
I am MAGA.
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"Ain't many problems that a man can't fix with $500 and a 30-06." Rick Springfield LOL.. In Montana, the version I heard was- "There's not too much that can't be fixed with 180 grains from a 30-06"
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Or maybe he oughta get the 2nd bestest caliber evah.... 8x57 JS #tappedoutonboltbluedandwoodriflesnomorepics.
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I like my 06’s
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Now a Garand - I'd dig that for sure.
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Might try finding a Swiss Sig Sauer SHR 970 for sale somewhere although that could take a while. They have quick 'switch barrels' and were offered in several calibers including 30/06 and 7mm magnum. As I recall most standard calibers only required a barrel switch but magnum calibers also required a bolt and magazine switch, too.
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Now a Garand - I'd dig that for sure. All correct H&R
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My son is contemplating buying a new rifle before he gets married, smart boy! He's looking at a 30-06 that his brother inherited from his grandfather (they would likely do a trade to keep it in the family) or buy something new, likely a 7mm rem mag. I strongly suggested the 30-06, it's a rem 700 BDL from the 80s that is in excellent condition (side story here, I bought the rifle from a neighbor at the request of the ole man and he never paid me for it, I'm the only one who ever spent a dime on it). Anyway, I pulled some simple ballistics with 165 gr loads, my preference for both, and there's really not much difference. If he goes the new route, I really can't recommend a factory rifle that's affordable that I would want myself.
30-06 .308 diameter 165 gr bullet 2960 feet per second 3209 muzzle energy
7mm rem mag .284 diameter 162 gr bullet 3030 feet per second 3302 muzzle energy So it seems to me YOUR mind is made up in favor of the '06. From the way you've worded the "question" it looks like you're not asking for actual advice, you're asking for support and justification in your choice. However, you seemingly fail to remember that this is a rifle for your son. If you're having to work so hard to justify the '06, it would seem he's leaning the other direction and you're trying to overrule him. Yes or no? It is important to remember this is a rifle for him, not for a rifle for you, and he's the one who has to be happy with the choice. Lets briefly look at your ballistic comparison. It is true enough **at the muzzle**. However, the 7 mag has a higher sectional density so it's going to penetrate better assuming bullet construction is the same and it will have a higher BC so as you move downrange, the difference between the two is going to grow giving greater advantage to the 7mm mag the farther you get from the muzzle. I'm not a fan of 165s in the '06, not for elk. I like 180s. I think a better comparison would be to compare 180 grain partitions in the '06 vs 160 partitions in the 7mm mag since those are about as close to perfect for elk as you'll find with either. I would not hesitate to hunt elk with either. I would probably make my choice based on the rifle, not the cartridge. Tom
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I'd buy the rifle that fit me the best....and it wouldn't be in either of the cartridges...
BT53 "Where do they find young men like this?" Reporter Savidge, Iraq Elk, it's what's for dinner....
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Misinformation. That is a 30-30. 30-06 is not THAT bad.
There is nothing noble in being superior to your fellow man; true nobility is being superior to your former self. -Ernest Hemingway The man who makes no mistakes does not usually make anything.-- Edward John Phelps
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In competent hands the 7 won't do anything inside 500 yards that the 06 won't do, and the 300WM will do both better. Wrong.
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30-06, 7 mag, 270, 280. You could close your eyes and pick one and it won’t be a mistake. Get one that you’re confident in and move forward.
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What no one ever talks about is how the average guy flinches when they about to touch off a magnum size cartridge. None of us forum fellas are average you understand, but I saw the flinch phenomena lots helping guys during the gun club’s sight in days. A large cartridge and rifle might be capable of long range lethality, but a lot of shooters aren’t. A .30-06 is about the limit for most guys and often not even.
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hanco wins this thread. LOL
Trump being classless,tasteless and clueless as usual. Sorry, trump is a no tax payin pile of shiit. My young wife decided to play the field and had moved several dudes into my house
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It's more a matter of the gun than the cartridge choice.
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