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Bob
The 275 Speer semi spitzer at 2500fps fro a 26” Ruger #1 .338wm was a bone breaking and killing machine on big Colorado elk. The same bullet in the 9.3x62 was too soft and poor results were had.
Elmer was correct about this bullet in the 338. Was unbeatable. Premiums might be as good but not better.

Beretzs.
Your rifle looks good sporting the M8 4 power. It bears some resemblance to my .308 with M8 4 power with the exception that this is the first and only scope ever on my 1953 M70 since I bought it back in the sixties. I soon learned that the .308, M8, and my shooting skill were good in the field for no more than 300 yards, so more scope power would do no good.

Sir Scotty,
Very nice M70 deer rifle ! Buy a donkey for that gunporn.

I previously recorded your H4198 load data with the 250-gr Monoflex, very consistent with what I got.

H4198 was most accurate with max load of 82.0 grains (compressed) for 3075 fps MV in a 24" barrel of Ruger No. 1.

AA-5744 was most accurate with my starting load of 65.0 grains (not compressed) for 2725 fps MV in same rifle.
The AA-5744 start load was most accurate of all in Daisy the Ruger No. 1.
0.63 MOA for 3 shots at 50 yards, 3 overlapping .458-caliber holes at that range.

1.16 MOA was the best I got with H4198 for 3075 fps MV.

With Monoflex BC of only 0.175 you add 39 fps for the 5-yard correction of chronograph velocity to MV in the 2900 to 3000 fps range.
When you get over 3000 fps MV it is 40 fps correction !
The faster you go the faster you lose .
My 2725 fps MV load only loses 37 fps in first 5 yards, ha ha.

Got that Leupold 1-5x20mm headed out for warranty repair?

I am switching back to Leupold since Nikon scopes are defunct now. Sad.
Weaver too, boo hoo.
I will use them until I bust them.
The fixed power is a good idea for recoil tolerance, as is 1" tube instead of 30mm, as is smaller objective lens ...
all adds up to Leupold 2.5x20mm as a primary or as backup for the bigger scopes.
Or iron sights and QD rings as you have.
The Leupold 2.5x20mm is as close to immortal as it gets on a .458 WinMag.

Sir Charles,
Are those see-through rings ?
Yep, I tried those when I first started out too.
You might be able to shoot beyond 300 yards with different rings !

Sir Bob,
I once dallied with something called the "BS Index" for DG rifles.
It related to MV and was the Taylor KO multiplied by sectional density,
then multiplied by a constant so that the .375-cal/ 300-grainer at 2450 fps gave a "BSI" of 100, TKO = 39.3.
The classic .450 NE with 480-grainer at 2150 fps gave a BSI of 184, TKO = 67.5.

Your system of carrying everything out to impact velocity at various ranges make it much better,
whether based on momentum or KE.

Sounds like the extra 2” of barrel helped a good bit. In these WW cases I’m not sure I could fit 82 without overflowing but I’ll have to live with what I’ve got. I hope I don’t meet the whitetail that shrugs one of these off

My good buddy John suggested I try some 480 Woodleighs. May have to order some of them up. I haven’t shot much heavy stuff yet.

Anybody have any results from that bullet in a 458 Win and suggested powders?

What an old gem! Great looking rifle!

Sir Mike is alive and posting again.
Hurray ! Even if he is being shy at the Square Table.

Anyone interested in Hammer Bullets can start looking around at their forum.
Here is a thread about the bullet I want:

https://hammerbullets.boards.net/thread/2117/400g-shock-hammer-coming-soon

If a bullet is in stock, you can order here

https://hammerbullets.com/

and they arrive in a few days.

The 100% retaining .458-400-grainer "hollow point " would be useful.
Bubba could make them by sacrificing perfectly good 450-gr TSX bullets,
or maybe Hammer Bullets could put a "Claw Hammer" or "Jack Hammer" nose on a .458-400-grainer.





Phil Shoemaker might want some of those Jack Hammers for his pocket pistol use in bear country.

First will see what the .458-400-gr Shock Hammer does for weight retention,
R&D by Hammer Bullets.
New territory for me if the petals come off at less than 2000 fps as rumored ???

The North Forks from Sweden have arrived at www.Reloadinginternational.com
so
I finally have some .458-cal/ 400-gr North Fork softs on the way for another 400-grainer shoot-off.

I will not have a loose and bent Ruger No. 1 forend screw for the next outing,
yee hah.

But perhaps a loose and bent shoulder from recoil?

Great!

Good news, indeed, Sir Bevan.
It will be interesting to see if the Swedish nose profile is like on your North Fork-USA bullets:



Getting ready:
Good for .45-70 Gov't. and .458 WM+ (MV 1800 fps to 2600 fps):

More Great work for the mission.
Wish I could add to it. I did get my moose tag and a bunch of black bear tags. We don't need grizzly tags and in one part of the GMU we can kill 2 grizzlys a year.
Just got a box of 12 ga Hevi Shot Tungsten 3" BB . Box says they are going 1450 fps.
My Mossberg 500 has a 30" barrel and full choke. I'm going to pattern them in the morning.
There is a fresh harvested section of barley 20 feet from my driveway and often the lesser sandhill cranes and different geese come in just above the tree tops. And the trees aren't very tall.
Most of my time is taken up with work work. ( driving truck) and milling lumber for the house. Or getting more sawlogs.
If I keep the scatter gun with me. Maybe I'll get some ribeye of the sky.

Carry on Men ! Good work all !

P.S. I'm going to check out those Hammer Bullets.
That North Fork 400 looks a dandy for the Spruce King. I can seat it in the 3rd cannalure .

More good stuff Sir Ron, currently covered up with another issue, but happily living vicariously through you guys till i can get back in the load shop and shooting bench/sticks.

Sir Spruce,
I might be up to visit you one of thee days, will try to time it for the sandhill-moose season.
"Ribeye from the sky, the other red meat." That is a good one !
You might even be able to make it to the 4th micro-groove/cannelure on the 400-gr North Fork with the Spruce King.
My Alder Queen should do the same. Will see. Measurements are preliminary until bullets are in hand.
Hammer Bullets will be hard to beat, however, especially when the .458 Cal-400g Shock Hammer gets on the shelf.
North Fork or Hammer, either bullet would be perfect for anything in Alaska.

Sir Jerry,
Understood, I just tweaked my left knee and it is slowing me down a bit.
I stupidly sprained the medial collateral by side-hopping into the back of a pickup truck !
Now have to sit at the loading bench with a straight left leg for the next few days.
Not as bad as I did the right knee, lateral collateral, 20 years ago by slipping on moss-covered Tennessee rocks,
side-hilling while hunting boar with a spear.
That one healed perfectly without a trace of problems.
I'll be back !

Meanwhile, I have consulted Bubba about a .458/ 400-gr solid.
He can easily transform a 500-gr TBSS into a 400-gr XTBSS.
Same as Otto Candies, Jr. did with the .475-cal/ 500-gr TBSS for elephant hunting with the .475 Linebaugh.



Still on the lookout for the .458/ 400-gr HYDRO, even .45-70 Gov't. shooters snatch these up whenever they are in stock:

Those look Great.
Apparently the 45/70 really does Bag Well 🤗

Well, this is odd.
Got a new phone. Had challenges logging in.
Somehow 24 hr CF dredged up my old handle .
That's much better !!!

So now , Sir Spruce is once again Cold Trigger Finger.
As it should be.
CTF is appropriate initials for some things .
But I've earned my cold trigger finger over 6 decades.

Sir Bob has a good discussion at his blog, entitled: "Some 300gr to 500gr/.458-cal Bullets Analysed and Compared"

https://bigborefan.wordpress.com/20...r-458-cal-bullets-analysed-and-compared/

I found some images of special interest.
"Bobbed Bullets, Ltd." (not Bubba, not Bobbuh, just Bobbed) is henceforth the name
of the up and coming bullet maker with no proprietary secrets.



Sir Bob bobbed a 450-gr A-Frame to make a 402-gr X-A-Frame FNSN that worked through his Marlin 1895.

Below is his interesting lineup with a bullet I cannot identify, the brass or bronze-jacketed RN FMJ,
that looks like a heavier version of the Thompson Center Bone Crusher 400-grainer:




Second from left in the long row above, middle one in the three below:





Who is the maker of the Bone Crusher type of FMJ round noses ?
Bob did not identify it in his blog notes.
The top bullet of the three above is said to be a 600-gr Barnes,
with a cannelure and an ogive I have never seen on the 600-gr/.458-cal Barnes Originals.
Maybe Sir Bob will enlighten me, or sumbuddy who know ?