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The 358 Winchester is gonna get real popular there.
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On the other hand with the advent of super muzzleloaders using shotgun primers, smokeless powder, scopes, and high BC bullets. I wish my state would either go back to primitive style muzzleloaders, allow us to use a handgun even and preferably straight wall only, or do away with the whole “primitive” season and just let us shoot our two bucks with a rifle. I’m the only guy I know who still hunts with a sidelock using loose powder and lead bullets. "Muzzeloader season" is now just a euphemism for single shot rifle season. I hunted a lot with a muzzleloader during regular deer season back when there were no inline, shotgun primer, scoped, stainless "muzzleloaders" that now have a special season. If you are being granted a special season for a primitive weapon then the weapon should actually be a replica of a primitive weapon. I feel the same way about crossbows in archery season. If you want to claim you crossbow is primitive then maybe it should only have sights and limb technology available when firearms superseded crossbows historically.
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Years back, WI. had a shotgun only zone encompassing much of the southern part of the state. Then somebody looked at the statistics of accidents and found that they were actually higher in the shotgun only zones. WI. is now rifles allowed statewide.
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Can now hunt in Shotgun 1 and 2 seasons with a 35 Whelen, 375 HH, 416 Rigby....
Rifles above .350 diameter exceeding 500 ft. lbs. of energy.
The DNR wasn't a big supporter, but laws are laws and regs are regs; I'm happy they saw the light.
I just hope everyone is safe and enjoys some of the fruits of having more firearm options this deer season.
Oh wow, that's really cool! I had no idea you could hunt with rifles that didn't use straight-wall cartridges any more.
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We have a young lad in our Wisconsin deer camp who heard about the Iowa deer hunting change and wants to take his .350 Legend over there.
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Ok, so I went all celebratory over the weekend and bought my self a real HawkenHammer, an ‘80’s vintage 99A in 358 Winner.
I would still have liked to have been in the room listening to the DNR’s advice on cartridge regulations —“heck Al, I’m going to set up on that high spot in your been field with my Barret 50 BMG.” 😉
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Shotguns have gotten better, but still nauseating to be forced to use.
Always thought the same thing in the southern zone here until they allowed certain rifles to be used. Good news for Iowa. Hopefully both can change their feel good firearm laws in these areas even further.
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500 ft lbs at the muzzle? Doesn’t the 357 magnum do that? Sounds like everything 35 caliber is on the table.
Hell...Reloading/Shooting are still my favorite things to do,besides play in the box the kids came in.................
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George. U spent some doughy for s 99a in 358. I'm shooting my 7600 whelen gitty up
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RUGER 77/357... ... w/ 158-180 gr. XTP. GR
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What is the reason for all these goofy restrictions?
By the way, in case you missed it, Jeremiah was a bullfrog.
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What is the reason for all these goofy restrictions? IOWA = Idiots Out Wandering Around
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What is the reason for all these goofy restrictions? I don't know about IA, but in the southern part of MI it was the feel good law in the higher populated south, it was safer to use limited range shotguns or muzzleloaders rather than centerfire rifles. It's now a limited firearms zone you can use a straight wall cartridge case no longer than 1.8", 35 caliber and above. It's all bullchit, esp since several years ago PA did a study that debunked the safer myth.
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What is the reason for all these goofy restrictions? I don't know about IA, but in the southern part of MI it was the feel good law in the higher populated south. They said it was safer to use limited range shotguns or muzzleloaders rather than centerfire rifles. It's now a limited firearms zone you can use a straight wall cartridge case no longer than 1.8", 35 caliber and above. It's all bullchit, esp since several years ago PA did a study that debunked the safer myth.
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So the cartridge law in Iowa has no limit for straight wall only calibers? Not limited to single shot?
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See p 38 of Iowa regs... RIFLES: Rifles firing straight wall or other centerfire ammunition propelling an expanding-type bullet with a maximum diameter of no less than .350 of an inch and no larger than .500 of an inch and with a published or calculated muzzle energy of 500 foot pounds or higher is legal for hunting deer during the youth and disabled hunting season and first and second shotgun seasons. The following is a partial list of allowable cartridges that has generated the most questions on legality. Cartridges meeting the criteria defined above are legal whether listed here or not.
.35 Whelen .350 Legend .358 Winchester .375 Winchester .40 S&W .44 Magnum .444 Marlin .45 Long Colt .45 Raptor .450 Bushmaster .450 Marlin .45-70 Govt .460 S&W .500 S&
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Can now hunt in Shotgun 1 and 2 seasons with a 35 Whelen, 375 HH, 416 Rigby....
Rifles above .350 diameter exceeding 500 ft. lbs. of energy.
Damn, I just built a .375 WSM and it wasn't even for this. Be about perfect...
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See p 38 of Iowa regs... RIFLES: Rifles firing straight wall or other centerfire ammunition propelling an expanding-type bullet with a maximum diameter of no less than .350 of an inch and no larger than .500 of an inch and with a published or calculated muzzle energy of 500 foot pounds or higher is legal for hunting deer during the youth and disabled hunting season and first and second shotgun seasons. The following is a partial list of allowable cartridges that has generated the most questions on legality. Cartridges meeting the criteria defined above are legal whether listed here or not.
.35 Whelen .350 Legend .358 Winchester .375 Winchester .40 S&W .44 Magnum .444 Marlin .45 Long Colt .45 Raptor .450 Bushmaster .450 Marlin .45-70 Govt .460 S&W .500 S& Yep, you can try hit that doe in the bean field from a mile away with your 416 Barrett, but your neighbor can’t legally hunt his river bottom with his 30/30. Brilliant!
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On the other hand with the advent of super muzzleloaders using shotgun primers, smokeless powder, scopes, and high BC bullets. I wish my state would either go back to primitive style muzzleloaders, allow us to use a handgun even and preferably straight wall only, or do away with the whole “primitive” season and just let us shoot our two bucks with a rifle. I’m the only guy I know who still hunts with a sidelock using loose powder and lead bullets. "Muzzeloader season" is now just a euphemism for single shot rifle season. I hunted a lot with a muzzleloader during regular deer season back when there were no inline, shotgun primer, scoped, stainless "muzzleloaders" that now have a special season. If you are being granted a special season for a primitive weapon then the weapon should actually be a replica of a primitive weapon. I feel the same way about crossbows in archery season. If you want to claim you crossbow is primitive then maybe it should only have sights and limb technology available when firearms superseded crossbows historically. Literally, as I can (and do) legally use a .357 Maximum barrel on my TC Encore for late muzzleloader season, as pistols are legal for this season as well. My gun is technically a pistol, but with an 18" barrel, it's more like a hand rifle.
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