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You might try 4831SC as well. I've gotten 2700 with it in 22" barrels when using 200 Partitions and Hodgdon's data, and in my present "main" .30-06 it's more accurate than RL-26.
While 26 is reasonably temperature-resistant, it wasn't designed to be like RL-16 and RL-23, and in my testing it hasn't been quite a consistent as the 16 and 23, or the Hodgdon Extremes, though it beats the hell out of some other powders.
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Time to open up the Gack. (After realizing I may of had a fetish with the 30-06 cartridge, I sold a half dozen, mostly Springfields. I now can brag that I have less than a dozen '06's - fetish resolved!)
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You might try 4831SC as well. I've gotten 2700 with it in 22" barrels when using 200 Partitions and Hodgdon's data, and in my present "main" .30-06 it's more accurate than RL-26.
While 26 is reasonably temperature-resistant, it wasn't designed to be like RL-16 and RL-23, and in my testing it hasn't been quite a consistent as the 16 and 23, or the Hodgdon Extremes, though it beats the hell out of some other powders. Mr. Barsness.... H4831sc has become unobtanium for me. RL-26 is hard to come by as well. I came across some RL-23 a few months back and would like to hear your experience with it. What kind of results did you get with it and 200 and/or 180 grainers in 30-06? Or overall what have you found with RL-23? How about Hunter and 200grainers in 30-06.....I know you like 180's in 30-06 but what about 200 grainers?
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Not JB, but just to say I'm replacing my RL-22 with RL-23, not getting any more RL-22. From what I've seen and read, RL-23 is about a sub for RL-22 and has better temp stability properties.
I also have a big jug of MRP and use it a good bit. It's my fav Swede powder.
I love these older threads, especially reading BobinNH posts. Really miss that guy.
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I love these older threads, especially reading BobinNH posts. Really miss that guy.
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You aren't kidding DF.
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I love these older threads, especially reading BobinNH posts. Really miss that guy.
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You aren't kidding DF. Bob was an awesome person. I miss him too!!
I try to stick with the basics, they do so well. Nothing fancy mind you, just plain jane will get it done with style. You want to see an animal drop right now? Shoot him in the ear hole. BSA MAGA
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So, I loaded up some 200 NPT and JB's first load listed in Gack. Three shots were touching. But by then I was out of ammo, trying to get my old Leupold sighted in. Try again later. But I'm running low and 200 grain Partitons. Off to the web to search for more.
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Cabela’s has them if you can’t find them elsewhere.
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Cabela’s has them if you can’t find them elsewhere. I can't imagine the price tag on those sob's. The last ones I bought from SPS were damn reasonable. Back when they had good prices. I'm talking $13.45/bag of 50 and that was only 5 years ago. Now they are even gouging the fugg out of us. However, they are still the best game in town with prices at $29.95/bag of 50. I only bought 500 back then. Now I wished I would have bought a 1,000!!
I try to stick with the basics, they do so well. Nothing fancy mind you, just plain jane will get it done with style. You want to see an animal drop right now? Shoot him in the ear hole. BSA MAGA
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200 grain Partitions are a great big game bullet. They sure fly well in my 30-06.
I could hunt lots of places with that bullet, and never feel under gunned with them loaded in my 30-06.
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200 grain Partitions are a great big game bullet. They sure fly well in my 30-06.
I could hunt lots of places with that bullet, and never feel under gunned with them loaded in my 30-06. I first discovered that great flight over 25 years ago shooting 3-4-500 yard steel with my classic super-grade 300 win, 200gr partitions leaving at 3K were/are a thing of beauty, couldn't believe the consistent accuracy i got that first load workup day, that bullet went on to prove it's one of the very best bullets ever developed for hunting, even at 2700 from the old '06 using RL-22, H-4831 SC etc, the bullet, cartridge are simply stoners, put it where it needs to go, then get your jacket off and sleeves rolled up.
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200 grain Partitions are a great big game bullet. They sure fly well in my 30-06.
I could hunt lots of places with that bullet, and never feel under gunned with them loaded in my 30-06. I first discovered that great flight over 25 years ago shooting 3-4-500 yard steel with my classic super-grade 300 win, 200gr partitions leaving at 3K were/are a thing of beauty, couldn't believe the consistent accuracy i got that first load workup day, that bullet went on to prove it's one of the very best bullets ever developed for hunting, even at 2700 from the old '06 using RL-22, H-4831 SC etc, the bullet, cartridge are simply stoners, put it where it needs to go, then get your jacket off and sleeves rolled up. Great posts. I see you guys BTDT. Having had the same exact experience with both the 300wm and 30-06. I was always content with 2900 in the 300wm, but that was the sweet spot for my rifle with good ol IMR4350, way back in the day.. Ran 68 grains of the stuff. Easy to remember because that's what I ran in my 338wm to launch 250gr Sierra GK's. Good stuff guys...
I try to stick with the basics, they do so well. Nothing fancy mind you, just plain jane will get it done with style. You want to see an animal drop right now? Shoot him in the ear hole. BSA MAGA
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200 grain Partitions are a great big game bullet. They sure fly well in my 30-06.
I could hunt lots of places with that bullet, and never feel under gunned with them loaded in my 30-06. I first discovered that great flight over 25 years ago shooting 3-4-500 yard steel with my classic super-grade 300 win, 200gr partitions leaving at 3K were/are a thing of beauty, couldn't believe the consistent accuracy i got that first load workup day, that bullet went on to prove it's one of the very best bullets ever developed for hunting, even at 2700 from the old '06 using RL-22, H-4831 SC etc, the bullet, cartridge are simply stoners, put it where it needs to go, then get your jacket off and sleeves rolled up. Wasn’t really a big fan of the 06 for a long time. Dad used one all over and it was just so danged medium at everything. Well, fast forward 30 years, I found a little P64 Featherweight, put it into a McMillan and messed around. Well, as it turns out it shoots those 212 ELDs real well at 2700 and change. I said hmmmm, I’ll take it elk hunting. Well sure as heck it worked, just like the 338, 300’s 7’s, etc. punched holes through both front legs and he somersaulted down the mountain. Then I got to thinking if the 06 does than in an 8lb rifle why do I need these heavies. That cost me money to lighten my Mashburn up. So yup, I could see how any of those good 200+ grain bullets scooted out around 2700 could be good and maybe better than a bunch of other things. I made a joke with Dober, I call the 30-06 with 212 ELD a 6.5 Creed with nuts…
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Cabela’s has them if you can’t find them elsewhere. I can't imagine the price tag on those sob's. The last ones I bought from SPS were damn reasonable. Back when they had good prices. I'm talking $13.45/bag of 50 and that was only 5 years ago. Now they are even gouging the fugg out of us. However, they are still the best game in town with prices at $29.95/bag of 50. I only bought 500 back then. Now I wished I would have bought a 1,000!! $51 a box w/free shipping. SPS had them forever but appears to have cleared them out.
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Cabela’s has them if you can’t find them elsewhere. Cabelas within 250 miles from here do not. 😢. BUT, I was looking in my stash of SPS bags of bullets and I found two bags of 200 grain partitions. 😊 The ‘06 with JB’s load is very accurate and I’ll be doing more testing. But now I’m looking at my 300 H&H - it hasn’t had a hunting trip yet…
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You guys about got me motivated to work up some ‘06 and 300 Win Mag loads with 200 NPT’s. I have the suspect powders, Fed 215’s.
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What a thread. Some of you are doomed. You won’t get that extra 50 FPS others say you need, or the only brand name that will guarantee success. What about cast 200s?
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What a thread. Some of you are doomed. You won’t get that extra 50 FPS others say you need, or the only brand name that will guarantee success. What about cast 200s? Maybe we need to start the thread again, but with the .303. Ha! DF
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No. Start again with cast bullets. Or cup and core only, but just bullets that can be driven to 2800 fps or more safely from a 22 inch, gold plated barrel. They have to group 0.5 an inch or less at 100 yd., and double in size when they mushroom. Naturally, they must retain over 95% of their original weight. Shot offhand, at a running target, wearing camo pants, at night, from a moving truck. For the campfire, this is probably done regularly.
Safe Shooting! Steve Redgwell www.303british.comGet your facts first, then you can distort them as you please. - Mark Twain Member - Professional Outdoor Media Association of Canada
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No. Start again with cast bullets. Or cup and core only, but just bullets that can be driven to 2800 fps or more safely from a 22 inch, gold plated barrel. They have to group 0.5 an inch or less at 100 yd., and double in size when they mushroom. Naturally, they must retain over 95% of their original weight. Shot offhand, at a running target, wearing camo pants, at night, from a moving truck. For the campfire, this is probably done regularly. Don’t ya know that’s no hill for a climber here on the Fire. DF
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