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C&R Question #16439149 09/16/21
Joined: Dec 2011 Posts: 3,641 South of I-10 B Borchardt OP Campfire Tracker
OP Borchardt Campfire Tracker B Joined: Dec 2011 Posts: 3,641 South of I-10	I see 1960's Smith and Wesson revolvers in .38 Special listed for sale on another website as "Curio and Relic" eligible. Yeah its 50 yrs old but it shoots a cartridge that is still available, sort of. What is going on? Imagine a corporate oligarchy so effective, so advanced and fine tuned that its citizens still call it a democracy.

Re: C&R Question Borchardt #16439159 09/16/21
Joined: Dec 2014 Posts: 9,123 Likes: 1 Siskiyou Co.,Jefferson State F flintlocke Campfire Outfitter
flintlocke Campfire Outfitter F Joined: Dec 2014 Posts: 9,123 Likes: 1 Siskiyou Co.,Jefferson State	Cartridge has nothing to do with the qualification criteria. Period. Well this is a fine pickle we're in, should'a listened to Joe McCarthy and George Orwell I guess.

Re: C&R Question Borchardt #16439308 09/16/21
Joined: Jun 2006 Posts: 16,392 Likes: 1 Las Vegas NM M mark shubert Campfire Ranger
mark shubert Campfire Ranger M Joined: Jun 2006 Posts: 16,392 Likes: 1 Las Vegas NM	What IS the qualification criteria - just for my information? I've always been a curmudgeon - now I'm an old curmudgeon. ~Molɔ̀ːn Labé Skýla~

Re: C&R Question mark shubert #16439330 09/16/21
Joined: Feb 2019 Posts: 1,250 Likes: 2 Alabama strikeu Campfire Regular
strikeu Campfire Regular Joined: Feb 2019 Posts: 1,250 Likes: 2 Alabama	Originally Posted by mark shubert What IS the qualification criteria - just for my information? https://www.atf.gov/firearms/qa/what-firearms-are-considered-be-curio-and-relic-firearms

Re: C&R Question Borchardt #16439356 09/16/21
Joined: Dec 2014 Posts: 9,123 Likes: 1 Siskiyou Co.,Jefferson State F flintlocke Campfire Outfitter
flintlocke Campfire Outfitter F Joined: Dec 2014 Posts: 9,123 Likes: 1 Siskiyou Co.,Jefferson State	Easily googled, which will send you directly to ATF website where it is condensed into three sentences. Basically...50 yrs old, or commonly acknowledged to be collectible and/or derives a good portion of it's value from collectibility and collectible for reasons of association with an historical event, persons, or time period. All three criteria need not be met, one of the three is sufficient. Example, if Gen Mark Milley wanted to sell me a current issue Chinese Army pistol...it would qualify as C&R, because he is famous...so it need not be 50 yrs old, or commonly found in museum collections. Well this is a fine pickle we're in, should'a listened to Joe McCarthy and George Orwell I guess.

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Re: C&R Question Borchardt #16440017 09/16/21
Joined: Jun 2006 Posts: 16,392 Likes: 1 Las Vegas NM M mark shubert Campfire Ranger
mark shubert Campfire Ranger M Joined: Jun 2006 Posts: 16,392 Likes: 1 Las Vegas NM	Thanks, guys. I've always been a curmudgeon - now I'm an old curmudgeon. ~Molɔ̀ːn Labé Skýla~

Re: C&R Question Borchardt #16440029 09/16/21
Joined: Mar 2012 Posts: 5,643 Likes: 2 Bay Area CA. C Certifiable Campfire Tracker
Certifiable Campfire Tracker C Joined: Mar 2012 Posts: 5,643 Likes: 2 Bay Area CA.	Also in many states a curio and relic firearms can be shipped directly to your house if you have a CR license She never made it past the bedroom door, what was she aiming for...? She's gone shootin..

Re: C&R Question Borchardt #16440115 09/16/21
Joined: Sep 2010 Posts: 31,428 59644 M MtnBoomer Campfire 'Bwana
MtnBoomer Campfire 'Bwana M Joined: Sep 2010 Posts: 31,428 59644	Related question. When a C&R holder lets their license expire, what's the record keeping requirement for their C&R purchases into and out of their collection? Suppose to send in? Keep for X years? "I can't be canceled, because, I don't give a fuuck!" --- Kid Rock 2022 Holocaust Deniers, the ultimate perverted dipchits: Bristoe, TheRealHawkeye, stophel, Ghostinthemachine, anyone else?

Re: C&R Question Borchardt #16440453 09/16/21
Joined: Sep 2004 Posts: 4,715 Aurora, CO K kennyd Campfire Tracker
kennyd Campfire Tracker K Joined: Sep 2004 Posts: 4,715 Aurora, CO	So a friends 1967 western marshall, 1951 99, 1923 remington, 1968 Mk 1, 1971 cap n ball qualify? Maybe his RG 57 and enfield that was butchered in the 60s?

Re: C&R Question Certifiable #16440483 09/16/21
Joined: Jan 2005 Posts: 2,340 Northern Mi. 7 78CJ Campfire Regular
78CJ Campfire Regular 7 Joined: Jan 2005 Posts: 2,340 Northern Mi.	Originally Posted by Certifiable Also in many states a curio and relic firearms can be shipped directly to your house if you have a CR license Are there states that deny this? That is the point of a C&R.

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Re: C&R Question flintlocke #16440499 09/16/21
Joined: Aug 2005 Posts: 15,680 Likes: 3 Fairbanksan in Aleutian Hell stevelyn Campfire Ranger
stevelyn Campfire Ranger Joined: Aug 2005 Posts: 15,680 Likes: 3 Fairbanksan in Aleutian Hell	Originally Posted by flintlocke Easily googled, which will send you directly to ATF website where it is condensed into three sentences. Basically...50 yrs old, or commonly acknowledged to be collectible and/or derives a good portion of it's value from collectibility and collectible for reasons of association with an historical event, persons, or time period. All three criteria need not be met, one of the three is sufficient. Example, if Gen Mark Milley wanted to sell me a current issue Chinese Army pistol...it would qualify as C&R, because he is famous...so it need not be 50 yrs old, or commonly found in museum collections. You win todays innanet. 🤣 "White Rage" Model can be attributed to any Milley-sourced commie chink pistol, therefore upping the price. Z

Re: C&R Question Borchardt #16440616 09/16/21
Joined: Dec 2014 Posts: 9,123 Likes: 1 Siskiyou Co.,Jefferson State F flintlocke Campfire Outfitter
flintlocke Campfire Outfitter F Joined: Dec 2014 Posts: 9,123 Likes: 1 Siskiyou Co.,Jefferson State	Once you are unlicensed, you have no further responsibility to store the records. But...the big but...nobody, I mean nobody, can find that statement in ATF Regs. That is commonly repeated on the strength of a letter from an ATF to the question of a former C&R license holder...and has been repeated. Unfortunately, in my case, the records were destroyed in a recent flood. Well this is a fine pickle we're in, should'a listened to Joe McCarthy and George Orwell I guess.

Re: C&R Question kennyd #16440926 09/16/21
Joined: Nov 2004 Posts: 17,270 The Land of Cotton GeoW Campfire Ranger
GeoW Campfire Ranger Joined: Nov 2004 Posts: 17,270 The Land of Cotton	Originally Posted by kennyd So a friends 1967 western marshall, 1951 99, 1923 remington, 1968 Mk 1, 1971 cap n ball qualify? Maybe his RG 57 and enfield that was butchered in the 60s? Yes, all. The RG 57 and Enfield may have issues as they were altered. "I have sworn upon the altar of God, eternal hostility against every form of tyranny over the mind of man." Thomas Jefferson GeoW, The "Unwoke" ...Let's go Brandon! "A Well Regulated Militia" Life Member

Re: C&R Question 78CJ #16440993 09/16/21
Joined: Mar 2012 Posts: 5,643 Likes: 2 Bay Area CA. C Certifiable Campfire Tracker
Certifiable Campfire Tracker C Joined: Mar 2012 Posts: 5,643 Likes: 2 Bay Area CA.	Originally Posted by 78CJ Originally Posted by Certifiable Also in many states a curio and relic firearms can be shipped directly to your house if you have a CR license Are there states that deny this? That is the point of a C&R. Yes...mine for one She never made it past the bedroom door, what was she aiming for...? She's gone shootin..

Re: C&R Question Borchardt #16441276 09/16/21
Joined: Dec 2014 Posts: 9,123 Likes: 1 Siskiyou Co.,Jefferson State F flintlocke Campfire Outfitter
flintlocke Campfire Outfitter F Joined: Dec 2014 Posts: 9,123 Likes: 1 Siskiyou Co.,Jefferson State	Certifiable, A licensee may receive an eligible firearm from out of state. It is your responsibility to file a CA 4100A. You must file a BOF961 in-state...this one is a claymore mine, be ultra cautious and go through a dealer so it is in DOJ electronic system. Well this is a fine pickle we're in, should'a listened to Joe McCarthy and George Orwell I guess.

Re: C&R Question flintlocke #16441528 09/16/21
Joined: Sep 2010 Posts: 31,428 59644 M MtnBoomer Campfire 'Bwana
MtnBoomer Campfire 'Bwana M Joined: Sep 2010 Posts: 31,428 59644	Originally Posted by flintlocke Once you are unlicensed, you have no further responsibility to store the records. But...the big but...nobody, I mean nobody, can find that statement in ATF Regs. That is commonly repeated on the strength of a letter from an ATF to the question of a former C&R license holder...and has been repeated. Unfortunately, in my case, the records were destroyed in a recent flood. Thanks. Sadly mine too were destroyed, by ground squirrels in my storage building while I was out of the area for 7 weeks in 2017... "I can't be canceled, because, I don't give a fuuck!" --- Kid Rock 2022 Holocaust Deniers, the ultimate perverted dipchits: Bristoe, TheRealHawkeye, stophel, Ghostinthemachine, anyone else?

Re: C&R Question flintlocke #16441613 09/16/21
Joined: Mar 2012 Posts: 5,643 Likes: 2 Bay Area CA. C Certifiable Campfire Tracker
Certifiable Campfire Tracker C Joined: Mar 2012 Posts: 5,643 Likes: 2 Bay Area CA.	Originally Posted by flintlocke Certifiable, A licensee may receive an eligible firearm from out of state. It is your responsibility to file a CA 4100A. You must file a BOF961 in-state...this one is a claymore mine, be ultra cautious and go through a dealer so it is in DOJ electronic system. Flint... I think we’re talking about different avenues? I have never purchased from out of state then brought a CR in to CA myself, and is my understanding that’s where the 4100A applies. Buying from out of state (online) and having the CR shipped in goes thru my ffl as per usual. There are advantages here for having a CR license in conjunction with a COE.. but that’s a different topic She never made it past the bedroom door, what was she aiming for...? She's gone shootin..

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