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You sure seem to have taken an agenda driven turn in your postings.

You sure seem to have taken an agenda driven turn in your postings.

It was the weekly hospital administrator zoom call. You know the people that run the facility.

Post up your facilities published numbers.

I'll wait.

C____ Medical Staff,


We have 55 COVID+ patients (94% unvaccinated) today—3 of those are still ICU overflow in the emergency room. ICU care remains the largest limitation for the time being and we are actively working to secure enough staff to meet that demand. We currently are operating 22 ICU beds upstairs with only 5 being utilized for general med/surg critical care. There are fewer ventilators in use today compared to earlier in the week, but we still have a few covid patients that are nearing ventilator need. Overall, new admissions are slowing, but we are still seeing a lot of new cases in the emergency room and clinic. This peak certainly seems to be more of a plateau.

The CVICU (4 additional beds) is now open for long-term vent patients that are cleared from pandemic isolation. With this change we were finally able to clear the ER of all overflow today. We had a little break in new positive cases being admitted this weekend, but there are quite a few new ones being tested today. We have staff throughout the facility that are out, but we do have a new group of med/surg nurses from the state arriving tomorrow. We continue to do the best we can to keep up with surgical volume and balance that need with the demand for beds from the ER. Acceptance of transfers from surrounding hospitals remains a challenge, but we know they need our help and we are working hard to find available staff to meet those needs.

Monoclonal antibodies are flying off the shelves and we are doing our very best to meet the demand. We have requested that the state identify us for a regional infusion center and we hope to hear back soon if that request will be granted. In the meantime, we will continue regeneron dosing. Yesterday, it was announced that bamlanivimab is making a comeback to the emergency use authorization due to new data showing improved activity in delta variant. We will continue to dose what we have available to give.

Between the past Election, and Now Covid....I can't recall a time in my lifetime, when fellow Americans went at each other with such biased thoughts and feelings,

Numerous people here, Calling Doc Rocket,,, a loon.

When Doc talks, I listen...Doc has been respected here for years, You don't like what he says...ignore him.

But meanwhile, post up your own credentials. Tell us how many Covid patients you've treated.

Be sure to include how many years you have in the Medical field........

Has a Plumber, I've learned to ignore the Plumbing threads here, wayyyy too many wacky ideas from other members based on very little actual Plumbing experience...

And the Covid threads here follow the same insane pattern.

What I want to know is what treatments were the people who showed up at emergency rooms given by their primary care doctors before they showed up. That is something that is very important but you never hear anything about it because I don't think hospitals are including that information in their reports.

I only know 2 people who were diagnosed with COVID-19 by their primary care doctors and neither received any treatment. One of them was a man in his 60's (not on Medicare yet) that has survived colon and prostate cancer but is in very good physical condition. He had his wife drive him to the local emergency room in Cedar Park, Texas because he had all the symptoms of COVID-19 was was very short of breath. They didn't even examine him and sent him packing (he's self employed so I figured they didn't like his health insurance). He was able to see his primary care physician that day and was tested for COVID-19 and given a blood oxygen sensor. The test came back positive but he didn't receive any treatment. He was told to quarantine for 3 weeks and he survived.

The other was a very healthy 48 year old man (a friend of my son) and his primary Doctor told him to just quarantine at home for 3 weeks. He ended up in the emergency 2 weeks later because he was weak and couldn't catch his breath. He was put on oxygen until his blood oxygen level returned to normal and sent home. He survived also.

The deaths-by-partisan chart was made after dozens, perhaps hundreds, of emails and online comments requesting one be made in response to the cases-by-partisan chart. I was hesitant to make this chart as the correlation between partisanship and deaths, unlike with cases, is indirect. The only correlation is... in general, the more cases you have, the more deaths you'll have. This chart generally shows that.

Once someone gets COVID, however, there are a lot of factors that play a role in whether or not they'll die from the disease:

Age. The older someone is, the harder it is to recover.
Pre-existing conditions. Those with autoimmune disorders and the like are considered at-risk.
Time. The more recent the diagnosis, the better the science/medicine is for treating it.
Socioeconomic class. The richer you are, the more likely you are to have access to good healthcare.
Luck. Some young healthy people have still died from a COVID infection.
The partisanship of the state in which they reside is pretty much a non-factor at that point. That's why deaths-by-partisanship is a weak correlation. It also feeds into people's misconception that death is the only bad result to come out someone catching the virus. That ignores the millions of Americans who have survived COVID, but with long-term or often permanent organ damage.

All that out of the way, the numbers above are the total normalized* deaths per million for each state since July. A '100' means .01% of the state's population has died of COVID since July 1. July 1 was chosen as a continuation of the partisan new cases since June. The time from symptom to death tends to be 2-8 weeks. That averages out to about five weeks, or July 6 since June 1. I just rounded it back to July 1. The charts use the same political affiliation data as the cases chart, the Cook Partisan Voting Index.