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Sunday AM
Ralph Arnold, pastor of Calvary Community Church of Tampa

I know whom I have believed, and am persuaded that he is able to keep that which I have commited unto him against that day!


ya!

GWB

Forever.

My salvation is sealed.

When Jesus told the woman to go and "sin no more" and the Apostle Paul told the church " You are responsible for your own salvation", these two instances might put a little crimp into the idea of permanency. And to answer the 3:16 folks, better look real close at 3:5.

My name is written in the Lambs book of life. My salvation is as secure as Gods promises and the bible is full of them. God does not break his promises

John 3:5 is often misinterpreted to mean that baptism is required for salvation. It isn't. Faith alone is all that's required.

GWB,

That was a great song to start my day.
Thank you.

I'm glad to hear it!

"That we should be to the praise of his glory, who first trusted in Christ.
In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise..."

Ephesians 1

"When we’ve been there ten thousand years,
Bright shining as the sun,
We’ve no less days to sing God’s praise
Than when we first begun!"

He who began a good work in you will be faithful to complete it.

Works accomplish nothing in gaining or “maintaining” salvation.

Amen!

Jesus said,
"And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand. 29My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father's hand. "

John 10

Here's the verse and context.

John 3:3-7
"Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.
Nicodemus saith unto him, How can a man be born when he is old? can he enter the second time into his mother's womb, and be born?
Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God. That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit. Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again."

First birth = flesh = from the water of the mothers womb
Born of the mother is her baby.

Born again = Spirit is spirit = spiritual birth

How this occurs is 15-18
Note that verse 18 does not mention faith in baptism.
Who must one believe in order to be saved from the condemnation?

"That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life.
For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.
He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God."

Believe it or not my friend, this term is used exactly 100 times in this gospel alone.

Who must one believe in order to be saved from the condemnation?

English translations are incorrect. The phrase in the ancient Greek text of John should be properly translated “every one that is loyal/faithful TO Him”; NOT “whoever believes in Him”. Millions (billions?) of people have been misled for hundreds of years into thinking they are “saved” because of terrible English translations. Faithfulness/loyalty is what God wants from us, not the “easy believeism” the churches promote.

And John 3:36.

When did Jesus change His mind?

I'm counting on permanent.

Excellent observation. How many times did the Savior Jesus say, "the one who endures to the end will be saved,"?

Mine was permanent from the day I was created..................PERIOD!!!!


But of course it depends on your definition of salvation. That word is the feminine derivative of the word Saviour or deliverer. Nothing more, nothing less. All other definitions applied are man's/religions interpretation. It is used to create fear so one will follow whatever course religion says to follow. All negative shadowy entities use fear to control and manipulate the masses. Works quite well.