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Ya have to love how you turn simple words into some form of a religion. Sin, a Greek Archery term, to miss the mark. it can also mean to be mistaken, to err, exactly what religious teachings are doing.
Hell, a word that originally was Hebrew and meant: a gorge. But as the Greek were using it.......... This was originally the valley of Hinnom, south of Jerusalem, where the filth and dead animals of the city were cast out and burned. ............ loosely translated from the Greek it can mean "Grave", but nothing more.

Death: another word that's meaning is exactly that. Death, something that happens when you die, the end of life.

Your use of the words spiritually dead are being manipulated, something religion loves to do to lead its followers down a primrose path.
So the end of life (death) and Hell (a valley or the grave) are cast into the lake of fire and you think that is bad?? It simply means there will be no more end of lives nor graves since end of life will no longer exist.
So who was not written in the book of life? It's an easy answer and probably not the one you were programmed to believe.

Begotten son, someone God gave birth to. Begotten: alone (without a companion), but from its original word it simply means; to remain, abide in reference to place to sojourn, tarry not to depart to continue to be present to be held, kept, continually, to remain as one, not to become another or different.

Jesus is someone I'm very well acquainted with. I've known and followed His teachings for a lot of years now. So here is something to ponder on. One of the things Jesus taught me was that He and I are sons of God equally. He and I are sons of men equally.

There's no limit to God's forgiveness so there's no limit to how often you can sin and still be forgiven. I can see only 2 ways to lose it. One is to reject Christ, to turn your back on him and tell him to be gone. The other is committing the unforgivable sin - calling the Holy Spirit evil. I can't see any true Christian doing either, though.

And are you sure that verse 47 is saying what you've been told it is saying.

You sound like a pastor.
What denomination do you belong to?

So, you can live your life on earth committing the same sins over and over again and expect salvation as long as you believe Jesus Christ was the Son of God, born ofvtge Virgin Mary and died to atone for our sins and declare with our mouths that we believe in Him?

K22: Be careful, very careful. You are suggesting that you are critically studying the word. Not to be done.

As the Lord’s servant, you must not quarrel. You must be kind toward all,

“Turn away from your sins, because the Kingdom of heaven is near!”

Some scriptures say to believe, some say to believe and repent and be baptized (is that just a public declaration, because you dont have to go under the water).

Bible thumpers.

Now, RC and Happy, what about this scripture


“Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven.

I repeat,

the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven.

Think for yourself. Jesus didn't cancel the Old Testament, he endorsed it. God does not change. Read Jesus' teachings, be careful when someone starts clarifying them. Jesus had over 3 years to say what he needed to say. If something doesn't agree with Jesus forget it.

It does say that. But, it also says this:
Rom 6:1 What shall we say then? Are we to continue in sin that grace may abound?
2 By no means! How can we who died to sin still live in it?

Jesus also told the woman caught in adultery to 'sin no more'.
Yes, we'll be forgiven but Jesus expects us to strive to avoid sinning. He knows we'll fail but he wants us to do our best to avoid it.

+1

DF

It sounds like you are quoting Matthew 7:21?

I'll look that up to get the rest.

Yep, that's a sad scripture. So many know the Book, just don't know the Author....

And they're deceived, thinking they're doing good for the Lord, expept He didn't (doesn't) know them.

It's hard to read that without feeling their anguish.

DF

^^^^^
This

Since so many of the sins mentioned in this thread are of a sexual nature, I'll throw this out.
Are sexual sins more serious than non-sexual ones?

Check out this passage:
1Cor 6:18 Flee from sexual immorality. Every other sin a person commits is outside the body, BUT the sexually immoral person sins against his own body.
19 Or do you not know that your body is a temple of the Holy Spirit within you, whom you have from God? You are not your own,
20 for you were bought with a price. So glorify God in your body.

It seems to say that sexual sin is more serious because it's against the Holy Spirit. Remember that the only unforgivable in is one against the Spirit. You don't mess with the Holy Spirit. That word 'but' is big. It changes the message of this passage from a sin against the Lord to one against the Spirit.

Here it is Jaguar.

Matthew 7

I always look to see who it's addressing because it makes a difference if Jesus is talking to born again believers or rebuking the devil, for instance.

"15 Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves."

It sounds like someone I just asked if he was a pastor.
Jesus addresses the people about false prophets here that are not his sheep.
Jaguar, we know that they are unbelievers from the get go.

Then we get to your verse.

"21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.

22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?

23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity."

Jesus will hear their appeals of WHY THEY think they are deserving of salvation. Here's the list.

A. "saith unto me, Lord, Lord"
Many say they made Jesus"Lord of their lives", but that is not God's way of salvation.
Acts 2:36 Therefore let all the house of Israel know assuredly, that God hath made that same Jesus, whom ye have crucified, both Lord and Christ."
God the Father made His Son Lord. Every preacher on TV would tell people something like "make Jesus Lord of your life and submit to His Lordship...." Or something like that.
Rejected by Christ

B. " have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name "
That is what I have read and heard many times. How many preachers have you heard give some new prophecy about some politicians or world events, all in the name of the Lord.
There's the warning and curse to them found at the end of Revelation. I'll let you look that up since I'm very tired right now....last couple verses.

C. "and in thy name have cast out devils?"
They could've been anyone who was from the sons of Sceva to Rosemary's baby. I've seen a video of all kinds of Demon possession in Africa and the pastor's had a false gospel.
There are those who cast them out, but not saved. I listen to the gospel message and that's the only way Jesus accepts
. He doesn't care if the person is an apostle of the apastolics or RCs. That never was the will of the Father for entry into heaven.

D. "and in thy name done many wonderful works?"
Do good works save anyone Jaguar? I think you know that they don't.
CORRECT ANSWER IS:
Titus 3:5. " Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us."

Ephesians 2:8,9. "For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
Not of works, lest any man should boast.

You see what they were trusting in?
Their good works.
The same can be said for "repenting of your sins" or baptism....good works.....Not acceptable to Jesus or the Father.

I hope you are still with me.
I'm about done.
"Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven."

What is the will of the Father for our salvation?

Jesus said,
"And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day."


So what is the Father's will to be saved?
The way we see Jesus today is by reading the Bible about Him.
He is the rising Savior, the Christ, the Son of God.
(Details in links below)

It's midnight in my time zone and I'm zoned out. 😴
PM for discussion, questions etc and I will be there tomorrow.
Have a good night my friend.

HC

Instead of eating a dick, can you try to suck start a 12 gauge? Maybe use your big toe if your arms aren’t long enough.

It's basic morality. We as human beings can see that condemning someone to death or torment on the basis of lack of conviction as excessive and morally and ethically unsound. We don't kill people over what they don't believe. Do we show a greater tolerance toward those of other beliefs or lack of conviction than God? Are we more reasonable than God?

So, you simply regurgitate your previous thesis …. Ok…why do you ….apparently…. believe that “we don’t kill people over what they don’t believe? Look around… what do you see in the world? I suspect you are blinded. Surely you are that unaware….. well, maybe you are….

Further, why do you believe that ….apparently….that Jesus….would condemn someone for a “lack of conviction?” I don’t see anything in the Bible that says that people are condemned for having a “lack of conviction.” You are just making this stuff up.

Btw…. When you stand before your Creator, you will have “no excuse.”

Like I said….

If one does not want a relationship with his Creator, that is tragic.

No relationship with God…before your death….. then no relationship with God after your death….. and no relationship for “eternity.”