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Originally Posted by hotsoup
Deer eat my soybeans, particularly when they are 2 to 4 inches tall. A herd of 20 deer, feeding every night on new beans, can do serious damage. I get free tags from the state for damage control, but I hate shooting them and dragging them to the edge of a field to rot. State won't allow them to be processed unless they are killed during open deer season.



And I thought Pa had bad laws.
Can you pick up a roadkill?

Our farmers kill them and make them available to the wardens.
Not sure on gutting.
The wardens keep a list, and drop off deer to people who request them.


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I think perhaps not shooting does is a macho, cultural thing.

And maybe I whine too much.

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Originally Posted by TrueGrit
A deer eats 2.5% of it's body weight in dry matter per day. Keep in mind that some forage is up to 80% moisture. We kill 50-60 doe a year and need to kill a 100, just can't find the people to give them to. I feel for the farmers who feed the states deer for free.


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I don't mind shooting them, usually better eating.


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On a average year we kill about 250 does and 125 bucks every year, if we don't we are covered up with deer, we are required by the Texas Parks and Wildlife, to survey our ranch and count every Whitetail we see, we report our numbers to TP&W and they give us the tags, and tell us how many deer to kill, sounds like fun, HUH! after the first 100 deer, it turns into work, last year we gave away over 6000# of processed venison meat, Rio7

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Nothing but long legged rats.Friend lost about 25 acres of corn to them last year. They get into the corn when it is about 3 ft high. Get there water from the pivot head from the sprinklers that always leak a bit and don't come out of the corn until a combine drives them out


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FWIW, I'm gonna cry some more....lol


Middle of field I'm on right now.

Maybe 2 ton/acre and clean.

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Corner of same field next to cover.

Maybe 200lbs to the acre and full of weeds.

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Just counted 6 little bucks and a few does. They DGAF...



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How many does can a non res hunter take?


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Originally Posted by SamOlson
Swathing 2nd and 3rd cutting irrigated alfalfa.

Absolutely the shortest hay I've ever cut. Outside borders next to the trees are a total loss.

Sickening the amount of damage. And I know it wasn't grasshoppers, the tops are nipped off by deer.


Googled it, figure a deer eats 10lbs per day?


Field I'm on now has a house on one side, nothing but a couple hundred acres of cover on the opposite side.

2' tall by the house, maybe 6" by the trees.


Figure we lost +100 ton of prime feed this summer. $30k.


And yeah, we let locals hunt but they won't shoot does.


I'm at a loss, no pun intended.


No depredation permits available?


I'm thinking maybe this is not a deer problem. The deer have been there for years, right? Could it be a "not so good growing year" issue? Not looking to spark a contest of wills, just asking.....

My grandpappy grew corn in Iowa, from the 20's until 1977 when he passed, so there's my bona fides.


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Originally Posted by Blu_Cs
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Originally Posted by SamOlson
Swathing 2nd and 3rd cutting irrigated alfalfa.

Absolutely the shortest hay I've ever cut. Outside borders next to the trees are a total loss.

Sickening the amount of damage. And I know it wasn't grasshoppers, the tops are nipped off by deer.


Googled it, figure a deer eats 10lbs per day?


Field I'm on now has a house on one side, nothing but a couple hundred acres of cover on the opposite side.

2' tall by the house, maybe 6" by the trees.


Figure we lost +100 ton of prime feed this summer. $30k.


And yeah, we let locals hunt but they won't shoot does.


I'm at a loss, no pun intended.


No depredation permits available?


I'm thinking maybe this is not a deer problem. The deer have been there for years, right? Could it be a "not so good growing year" issue? Not looking to spark a contest of wills, just asking.....

My grandpappy grew corn in Iowa, from the 20's until 1977 when he passed, so there's my bona fides.




I'd say if it's growing good in the center, and not where the deer hang out, then it's the deer. Especially if you see a bunch of deer in that area, that means there's probably even more in there in the dark.

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Originally Posted by SamOlson
FWIW, I'm gonna cry some more....lol


Middle of field I'm on right now.

Maybe 2 ton/acre and clean.

[Linked Image from hosting.photobucket.com]



Corner of same field next to cover.

Maybe 200lbs to the acre and full of weeds.

[Linked Image from hosting.photobucket.com]


Just counted 6 little bucks and a few does. They DGAF...




Boy, that's some good looking hay in that first pic. We raised alfalfa in Roswell New Mexico when I was a young boy. We left there to buy a dairy in East Texas in '74 when I was 13. The hay may be taller than we had there and Roswell was noted for primo Alfalfa.


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Originally Posted by BigDave39355
Originally Posted by urbaneruralite

People value things that cost more than what is given. I think your locals don't appreciate what they have. Start charging and requiring a certain number of does shot to be invited to pay again next year.

If you were nearer FL you'd have people shooting everything that moves and paying $25/acre to do it


Couple months ago went to a outdoor show.

Kinda local to me “outfitter” was there. BS’ed with him a minute.

Asked him how hunting was… blah blah.

Said hogs were about to put him outta the deer business.

Tearing up everything…. Add the climatic movie music.

I asked if he does hog hunts. I wouldn’t mind killing some during off season.

Oh yeah. A trophy hog hunt is $500.

How many hogs? 1.

WTF??

You over run with hogs but want folks to pay $500 per pig?

Lawd have mercy.



I don't feel one bit sorry for the guys whining about hogs ruining their land if they charge through the ass to shoot them.


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Originally Posted by jaguartx
How many does can a non res hunter take?



Non res or non rez?

Big difference!


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Have done some damage hunting on my stepfathers farm in the past years.
Had 5 doe on the ground the morning of 9/11/01 when I got in my truck and heard 'the news'.

He plants 5-7 acres of feed corn annually and always tried to hide a couple of rows of sweet corn within.
It did not matter where or how he planted the sweet corn, the deer got it all[first] every year.
Mature doe are nothing but eating machines!


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Originally Posted by SamOlson
Swathing 2nd and 3rd cutting irrigated alfalfa.

Absolutely the shortest hay I've ever cut. Outside borders next to the trees are a total loss.

Sickening the amount of damage. And I know it wasn't grasshoppers, the tops are nipped off by deer.


Googled it, figure a deer eats 10lbs per day?


Field I'm on now has a house on one side, nothing but a couple hundred acres of cover on the opposite side.

2' tall by the house, maybe 6" by the trees.


Figure we lost +100 ton of prime feed this summer. $30k.


And yeah, we let locals hunt but they won't shoot does.


I'm at a loss, no pun intended.


How many tags can a non-res get? I'd be glad to pop does for my empty freezer.

Also, nice looking alfalfa. I have the same swather. If I could get it onto my car trailer I'd come help you cut. I miss my hay fields, but not irrigating all night. wink


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We can kill 2 bucks and 10 does, but I dont know anyone that ever does it. My family of four only goes through about 3 for deer a year. No reason for us to shoot more. You got people that want you to kill them a deer but then dont want to pay for the processing. Only time I give some away is if I still have one in the freezer from the season before once the upcoming season starts. I stopped feeding them, hogs ate most of it and hang around to much and the deer seem to hate them.

As far as 500 dollar hogs, I dont see the big deal. Those guides usually have some really nice thermal scopes and setups, doing this at night before they have to go to real job in the am, etc. I've gotten plenty of pms considering my location about hog hunts and folks willing to pay. I dont have the time..but if I did and someone wanted to give me 500 bucks, I wouldnt feel bad about it one bit. Funny, I've run across 3 different pigs that were 450-550lbs, every time all I had was a shotgun with me with rabbit or either turkey loads. We have one my son calls the couch pig, because when we walked up on him we though someone dumped a black couch on the property.

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Originally Posted by Rooster7
Originally Posted by BigDave39355
Originally Posted by urbaneruralite

People value things that cost more than what is given. I think your locals don't appreciate what they have. Start charging and requiring a certain number of does shot to be invited to pay again next year.

If you were nearer FL you'd have people shooting everything that moves and paying $25/acre to do it


Couple months ago went to a outdoor show.

Kinda local to me “outfitter” was there. BS’ed with him a minute.

Asked him how hunting was… blah blah.

Said hogs were about to put him outta the deer business.

Tearing up everything…. Add the climatic movie music.

I asked if he does hog hunts. I wouldn’t mind killing some during off season.

Oh yeah. A trophy hog hunt is $500.

How many hogs? 1.

WTF??

You over run with hogs but want folks to pay $500 per pig?

Lawd have mercy.



I don't feel one bit sorry for the guys whining about hogs ruining their land if they charge through the ass to shoot them.


I don’t charge for access but I also rarely give it out. Used to have an open gate policy till I realized that pigs had never thrown beer cans in the pasture, set up where they would be shooting towards the field my kids are playing in, cutting donuts in the creek Ford so that it was unusable without dozer work, caught bass and left them laying on the pond bank, etc. but I’ve had hunters who wanted to help me with my hog problem do all those things. So between the two I would rather deal with the pigs and can see why some landowners charge for strangers to hunt pigs.

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Originally Posted by dale06
I was the manager of a grain elevator in the mid 70s, in Mississippi. The farmers there begged me to come and hunt their bean fields, and I did. They also spot lighted deer and gut shot them with 22 rim fires. I sure don’t condone that, but it happened.
I guess if those deer are costing you $10,000 or multiples of that, you have decisions to make.



When I was at Ft. Bragg, I was told of similar things happening in Northern North Carolina, in the peanut fields there. Depredation permits were easy to get, and required the landowner to leave the deer carcasses in the field. I never made it up there to see for myself, but I have no reason to disbelieve the feller who told me about it.


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if any of you guys need help shooting does let me know. especially after the first of the year.

i got 4 kids to feed and 10 siblings with over 50 nieces and nephews

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Just get yourself a depredation permit Sam if Montana allows it.
Economic damage reasons.
Carry a rifle in the tractors.
See if 2 or 3 other shooters are allowed on it.
Then Pol Pot as many as you can when you can when your not working.

I wouldn't blink an eye about meat waste.
Dig a big ole pit: reference ethnic cleansing
Srebrenica style.
Kill a bunch, put a layer of dirt over em.
Repeat....

Get 2 for 1,s
Or even 3 for 1,s
After the does have been bred.
Dec Jan Feb
Even better if they yard up in the winter and ya got 2 or 3 guys with eyes on em that can shoot.
Any angle presented where a bullet drives thru the vitals

Big doe
Big doe
Big doe

3 2 1
Bang
Then individual dumbazz ones that present a shot wondering what the fugg just happened whatever sex or age they are.

Just slip loop ropes around their necks and drag em to the pit however far away.



You need to put a dent in the fawn recruitment .
Prego does yarded up .
Even better if the state allows baiting in conjunction with a depredation permit.

Then start killing young bucks after the doe #,,s dwindle.


Hunters aint doing it for ya # wise for sure....

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