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i believe Winchester did build a 405 Winchester , i also know this that many don`t know about Ruger built one Ruger # 1 in a 225 Winchester only one, so i bet Winchester did chamber a model 70 in a 405 years ago probably just for fun .

Pic from Pre64.com.

1936

very nice 405 pre war 64 / model 70

Think that auction has two .405’s, the other was model 54. Saw another model 54 in .405 years ago but don’t remember much about it other than the hammer price. North of 7k iirc.

Nice!

The subject rifle above looking good! Low SN. Reserving further judgment. Does appear established that the .405 was offered! That, my hang up of first concern. The action photo above, does it appear there's something strange about the bolt shroud area just below the safety. Perhaps just the pix angle, but looking strange; altered! I'd never consider giving that amount of $$$$$ for it, but folks differing!

Carbinecol, would you have a link to that Model 54 in .405 you saw? I'd be very interested! Thanks!

Best!
John

@iskra: I don’t remember much about the auction. Back then I was traveling all over in search of the next big find. I do think I have a few grainy pictures of it. I’ll see if I can find them.

Interesting thread. Previously, the only 405 bolt I'd ever seen is owned by our own FlyBoyFlem on I believe a 98 action. That picture of the 70 in 405 puts pay to the rumor of course, but one has to wonder as to why it never made it into Roger Rule's book.

WYcoyote: Well I guess that about shuts up gunwizard (for now?)!
Thanks for sharing that with us open minded pre-64 Winchester Model 70 enthusiasts.
Long live the Riflemans Rifle.
Hold into the wind
VarmintGuy

Hi Mr J! I came to this Thread, an 'instant referenced' .405 Model 70 'originality' skeptic. The info here as developed, including a minute reference in Rifleman's Rifle qne my own wider Google search results... Now convinced that there was Win factory production of such chambering beyond "experimental" into the "special order" realm. Such overcoming considerable 'inferential' data/conclusions suggesting otherwise. The reality, the factory did early-on, entertain "rimmed cartridges", such reflected in other uncataloged Model 70 production. Moreso, a couple of .22 centerfire chamberings achieving "cataloged".
An emerged rule apparently, "where the market appears to exist for such bolt rifle chamberings or influential personages involved as promoters; some achieving "reality!"
Even where not 'production', it's know that "special orders" were far more catered in an era where "hand workmanship" still very central and labor costs complimentary. The 30-30 Winchester round known to have been such actually produced in the 70! Yet these adventures, also soon failing as the rifle's popularity achieving production capabilities principally occupied with "cataloged" chamberings demand.

Whether the particular specimen, subject of this Thread, is in fact "genuine factory production", yet another issue. But central to my skepticism, the 'categorical' fact of .405 Win availability in special order context, seems reasonably supported.

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Mr. C., Skip the Model 54 photo request. Surely I can find such! I'm already with strong inferences the .405 chambring was produced utilizing the standard receiver with clip loading bridge slots. That was my question! The Model 54 as cataloged in 30-30 utilized a singularly unique receiver! Such without the slots. That remaining unique to the singular chambering. Thanks for your kind response and efforts...

Just my wider revised 'take'.
Best!
John





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I haven't said a thing other than you're a dumb chit that needs a reading comprehension course. Followed closely by a lesson in first amendment rights, I have the right to express my opinion no different than he does. I never said a thing about the statements in Roger Rule's book, nor any other words he keeps putting in my mouth.

gunwizard: I guess that the proof shown here-on and previously posted did NOT shut you up?
Sad man, just sad - why don't you just shut up while you are so far behind?
The First Amendment is NOT an excuse nor a rationalization for stupidity or for someone making mistakes!
Long live the Riflemans Rifle.
Hold into the wind
VarmintGuy

Good luck with that doosh bag, you seriously need to go phuque yourself. You keep picking a fight and then cry over getting your nose bloodied.

@ismra: No problem on the pictures. I found a few of them, but grainy is an understatement.

Of the few 54’s I own (not many), I think the 30-30 is my favorite. Not factory original, but well cared for.

Huh ?? What you going to do sue him??

I wouldn't pizz down his throat if his guts were on fire.

gunwhizzer: You add NOTHING to this site other than bitterness and immature attempts at intimidation.
It is time for you to reconsider your immature attitude and conduct - admit or correct your mistake and move on - at least that is what a man would do.
Sad.
Hold into the wind
VarmintGuy

23K, would be cool as hell to just go and buy that 405, it's only money, and none of us are leaving here with it, if i wasn't dealing with a guy on a British double in 450 #2...................