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LFC, proof shown. Did you learn anything ?

I think the 1891 Mauser was the first to use a rear ferrule. I’ll check my copies of Olsen and Speed’s books to verify…..

Note the narrow tang. The very reason for a ferrule. Walnut wood stock very prone to crushing since the pressure from the action screws is concentrated over very few square inches ( or centimeters ).

Do we need to talk about who was the first to use laminated stocks?

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My first high powered rifle was Model 95 Mauser back about 1970....I.learned Mauser used the steel ferrule on the rear action screw long ago....not the same as actual pillar bedding

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Great idea!!!! Why hadn’t I thought of that!!!!

I'm still waiting.....I thought we were on the same page about "pillar bedding and the use of action blocks for accuracy" this time don't dig up some old military crap to stop a stock from cracking John bOy.

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Being a kitchen table gunsmith, I love these threads to learn more. One of my sources of information is our own Mule Deer. John B has a few good books out there that I reference often. No fluff, just his opinions and his gunsmith friends opinions.

In RIFLE TROUBLE-SHOOTING and HANDLOADING, John explains that pillar-bedding originated in thin synthetic stocks to keep the plastic from collapsing.

Pillar bedded rifles tended to shoot better, so it was broadly used with that assumption, but it was probably due to the gunsmiths who built the stock / rifle. So, he goes on to say that pillar bedding does not help all that much with stocks made of hard walnut or a solid synthetic material AS LONG AS THE STOCK IS CORRECTLY BEDDED.

JB, if you read this correct me if I mis quoted you.

No argument from me....never read it in a book. No doubt pillar bedding sounds cool

A good test of bedding is if the action screws come down and just stop when tight....when an action screw just keeps inching it needs help. To me that shows compression or bad bedding.

Ps...John boy I suspect the Germans went to laminated wood in a last ditch effort to produce rifles in the war but they don't compare to modern laminated stocks.

I suppose I could get out the Mauser 98 that an area 'smith did in 1958. It's a Herters (maybe Reinhardt-Fajen) walnut stock of the era with a roll over cheek piece and wide, flat, varmint fore end. The action rests on a v-block inletted into the stock. Barrel is a heavy, blued, no taper barrel (not sure of make) that measures .930 at the muzzle. It's chambered and marked '244 Remington' which is what the 6MM Remington was called prior to being renamed in 1963.... lending further creedence to when it was done.

Torque screw drivers are what’s needed to properly torque the screws.
I have no argument that as a commercial application the above statements are true. They are not however the first application of pillars. That goes elsewhere.

Actually, a properly done pillar bedding job won't show any change in varying the screw torque.

If you can change things by changing the screw torque, something is flexing and/or binding. -Al

Al, you are correct. I was just stating that there are accepted measurements of torque for various stocks. Laminated, cheap synthetic, walnut and quality synthetic stocks. They all require different settings.

I'm not aware of any "accepted measurements of torque" for various stock compositions.... -Al