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I didn't realize how much beef was being imported until a few weeks ago ,
''''The United States imports beef from places like Australia, Canada, and much of Latin America. It then runs that beef through a USDA inspection and, if it passes, sticks a label on it that reads “Product of the U.S.A.”''' That's why we've been pushing to bring back "COOL", Country of Orgin Labeling. Because more government regulation helps the little guys, right? I have to deal with this bull crap over the next year and a half. Yeah, sure, I have time to keep track of where every single effing fish came from over its entire effing life. What the eff am I supposed to do? Put every effing one in an effing goldfish bowl with an effing number on it so I can tell the effing government where every single one came from? The reduction in efficiency that regulation implies is effing mind boggling. I hope I wasn’t unclear..... Then source your fish domestically or label them all as imported. Not to be a dick, but who cares about farmed fish as a human food source anyway? That’s cat food.
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It is rather frustrating to see sky high beef retail prices when the producer's market is flat.
I forget what current packer profit margins are but it's sickening.
Figure I have been hearing is 400%. Last article I read, said the packer is selling a prime steer for around $3200. The farmers was getting about $1800 for the animal. The article said the packer would historically make about $400 per head for processing the animal, not $1400. That's close enough for this kind of work, with your figures. Local packer charges about $300. Here in Texas, we have state meat inspection for custom kill packing companies. Problem is, USDA won't let you sell the packaged meat, either wholesale or retail. If states would pass legislation that state raised meat could be slaughtered, state inspected, and sold within the state, that would jerk a knot in the tails of the meat mafia. Actually the Texas inspected meat can be sold in state, just not cross state lines. Buy it all the time when we're down there.
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Why did I not think of that? You’re a genius!  . This is what we use to identify brood stock : https://www.nmt.us/visible-implant-elastomer/FDA be having a bit of a fit if we sold those fish...... our problem is that the government will be requiring not just COOL, but full traceability for every fish coming through a processing plant. Thing is, we’ll get fingerlings or fry from different sources, both domestic and overseas, depending on the time of year (spawning season is opposite down under, for example), but those fish end up getting mixed in a tank or raceway when the tops of one cohort catches the bottoms of the previous cohort. We end up with a couple of thousand runts that need a little more time to finish, so they get combined so they don’t take up a full raceway. Then, when those fish go to the processing plant, for example, they get pushed through the plant with loads from three or four other farm sites, and those fish get sorted by size to fill a particular order. Out of a 20,000 lb processing day, there may be orders that need fish from all the shipments to have enough, and a few from the previous day. The very concept is beyond idiotic. Unmanageable on the farm, unmanageable in the plant. But, here we go.........
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Then source your fish domestically or label them all as imported.
Not to be a dick, but who cares about farmed fish as a human food source anyway? That’s cat food.
Bless your heart...... You would probably not be surprised if I told you Montana is not a hot market for us. That’s ok, we’ll probably make it anyway.
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I didn't realize how much beef was being imported until a few weeks ago ,
''''The United States imports beef from places like Australia, Canada, and much of Latin America. It then runs that beef through a USDA inspection and, if it passes, sticks a label on it that reads “Product of the U.S.A.”''' That's why we've been pushing to bring back "COOL", Country of Orgin Labeling. Because more government regulation helps the little guys, right? I have to deal with this bull crap over the next year and a half. Yeah, sure, I have time to keep track of where every single effing fish came from over its entire effing life. What the eff am I supposed to do? Put every effing one in an effing goldfish bowl with an effing number on it so I can tell the effing government where every single one came from? The reduction in efficiency that regulation implies is effing mind boggling. I hope I wasn’t unclear..... Ear tags dummy. No more slippin' a can of kippered snacks in a shirt pocket if'n they gotta be ear-tagged. Tags are near as big as the current can. Plus the tagging would probably kill them and they wouldn't be able to swim well if it didn't. End up with a buncha crooked fish from swimming like a Halibut.
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It is rather frustrating to see sky high beef retail prices when the producer's market is flat.
I forget what current packer profit margins are but it's sickening.
Figure I have been hearing is 400%. Last article I read, said the packer is selling a prime steer for around $3200. The farmers was getting about $1800 for the animal. The article said the packer would historically make about $400 per head for processing the animal, not $1400. That's close enough for this kind of work, with your figures. Local packer charges about $300. Here in Texas, we have state meat inspection for custom kill packing companies. Problem is, USDA won't let you sell the packaged meat, either wholesale or retail. If states would pass legislation that state raised meat could be slaughtered, state inspected, and sold within the state, that would jerk a knot in the tails of the meat mafia. Actually the Texas inspected meat can be sold in state, just not cross state lines. Buy it all the time when we're down there. Actually, it's a bit deeper than that, and way more complicated. As I mentioned, a custom kill packing company cannot slaughter meat for retail. Some state approved plants can slaughter for retail, and the plants not only have to meet USDA standards, but the one I was experienced with ,and had a good friend who was their meat inspector there, were actually slaughtering under USDA standards. The inspector himself worked under USDA regulations and stamped the slaughtered beef halves with the USDA stamp. I asked him how he could do that if he was a state MSA inspector, and he said the state upheld USDA standards, and after he qualified for USDA standard meat inspection, the plant was authorized to sell meat. https://dshs.texas.gov/meat/grants/inspection.aspxMeat Safety Assurance in PHR 1
The PHR 1 Meat Safety Assurance program regulates 9 Texas inspected meat and poultry establishments. Texas inspected plants combine slaughter & processing of beef, swine, lamb, goats, and occasionally other species. Inspected facilities also produce beef and pork into products for wholesale distribution. There are inspected establishments in these cities: Amarillo, Boys Ranch, Lubbock, Post, Shamrock, Slaton, White Deer, and Wolfforth. "Texas Inspected and Passed" products are for "Intrastate Sales Only", and cannot be sold in commerce outside of Texas.
MSA regulates 11 custom exempt establishments. Custom exempt plants slaughter and process beef, swine, lamb, and goats without inspection. These products are marked "Not for Sale" and cannot be sold in commerce. Products derived from animals slaughtered without inspection must be returned to the owner of the animals for his/her personal use. CE plants are located in Amarillo, Earth, Hereford, Littlefield, Muleshoe, Perryton, Seminole, Texline, and Wellington.
MSA regulates 1 establishment in Amarillo through a cooperative agreement with the federal inspection system. This establishment is a slaughter and processing plant, primarily distributing beef, pork, and poultry products bearing the federal mark of inspection. Products bearing the federal mark of inspection can cross state lines into interstate commerce.
The Meat Safety Assurance workforce in PHR 1 consists of an MSA Program Veterinarian, one Inspector VI, one Inspector V, and 6 MSA Inspector IV(s). The Inspector IV(s) perform the daily inspection procedures in inspected establishments across the region. Three additional Inspector IV’s provide daily meat and poultry inspection to inspected establishments in Midland, Odessa, and Alpine. That was a pretty rare operation as well. They slaughtered deer (Axis) for making retail orders of venison, and preparing jerky, smoked sausage, etc. They had a USDA inspected mobile kill plant. They would take it on the ranches for processing the axis deer. Per federal law, the meat inspector had to witness all phases of slaughter, including the killing. Deer were killed at night with a spotlight and suppressed .308 with head shots. They would load the deer into the mobile kill trailer, and the process would begin. Might be why venison is so damned expensive in a restaurant. State of Texas would not let them kill native deer. Only exotics, as it's against state law to sell regulated native wildlife.
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Then source your fish domestically or label them all as imported.
Not to be a dick, but who cares about farmed fish as a human food source anyway? That’s cat food.
Bless your heart...... You would probably not be surprised if I told you Montana is not a hot market for us. That’s ok, we’ll probably make it anyway. Well...since cool is too heavy handed....we might as well buy Chinese. It's cheaper anyway.
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I knew the COOL comment would rattle the cage..LOL
The talks about bringing it back would be for beef and pork so yall hang onto the fish ear tag money a bit longer...
In an ideal world NAFTA never would of happened and the packing house monopoly would of been broken up but alas here we are.
After NAFTA, imported beef increased by 150%+ and via the big packers. If I remember right, IBP? importing from Brazil is a big chunk of it. Mentioned before, the loophole in COOL, even though the beef was imported because it was processed in the US it received an US label.
New talks are looking to close that loophole. However, at what cost?
Traceability doesn't come without its costs, another cost for the producer which may take quite a bit of time to absorb. It comes with a lot of hurdles depending on what kind of operation you're running.
I guess there had been some studies done in the short time COOL was in effect and supposedly a few of those studies claimed consumers didn't care about country of orgin. I highly doubt it. Goes back to follow the money, I wonder who funded the studies? Yet COOL was eliminated due to discrimination against CA and M labeled meat. I believe CA meat has a label of orgin, apparently one sided?
In all honesty I'm mixed on COOL. It's a band aid on NAFTA and the packing house monopoly the govt is looking the other way on and its not going away.(globalization)
I hope they build the kill house in Idaho Falls. They are working on the one Agri-beef is building in Jerome. 500 head a day. 370 jobs. Supposedly "producer owned". We will see as the details were pretty vague. But still a closer smaller option.
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I’m a fan of CoOL simply because as a consumer, I want to know where the product I feed my family originated and was processed.
Direct to consumer marketing seemed to be getting big a couple decades ago in the fish industry. Though it feels like it’s fizzled a bit.
I remember the price Ocean Beauty used to pay for salmon was a [bleep]’ joke. Quite a few boats were trying direct to consumer marketing but it’s a schit ton of work that many operations didn’t have the time, man power, or knowledge of how to exploit.
Looks like beef is there now.
More and more adds pop up on my innerwebs feed for premium products right from the growers and ranchers these lately. The cost is prohibitive to many consumers though.
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Exactly. Why not let the consumers know where there beef comes from??
You know with pork and chicken.
I suspect its because the big packers own the chicken and pork from start to finish.
The WTO decided that COOL was no good. For Beef anyway.
The Canadians threatened to cry for years if we implemented COOL.
The Canadians should not wish it was easier....they should wish they were better.
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The ranchers build a $300 million dollar facility. Great.
Now they still have to compete with IBP or whoever in the grocery and wholesale market where the big packers have established relationships along with shipping and sales channels. And now the big packers will be happy to buy even more Canadian and Mexican cattle at a cheaper price point, run it through their facility, and slap a USA label on it?
If US producers don’t find some alternate avenues into moving their product, I can’t help but think it’ll fail. Farm to table is a neat concept, but it ain’t gonna fly in today’s world, especially for bigger outfits with huge herds and overhead.
Painted Hills seems to have had success doing it. There must be others?
Good buddy out here has been in meat sales for 20 years. He recently got a couple partners together and they are looking into starting their own custom meat business………buying and selling foreign beef. ☹️ Some fancy wagyu schit. Sounds like they’ll just get in primals and custom cut for restaurants.
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Agri-beef (Idaho based company) has exceeded their capacity at their Washington facility hence why they are expanding and building the new facility in Jerome, Idaho.
So the demand for a smaller more local option is there.
Agri-beef isn't backyard small but it's small potatoes compared to the big three, ConAgra, IBF and Cargill which control over 80% of the market.
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Tour on the farm, city boy, "if that's were milk comes from, I'm not drinking it." Haha!
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Hook up with local custom butcher, sell steer with a butcher appointment. Together, both of us win $$
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Awesome. First plant is supposed to be in Nebraska and slaughter 1500 cattle a day. That's until you find out they've staffed it all with Somali's.
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You can still try and buy from your local producer and go through a local locker. Tried to get two of my young bulls slaughtered in March and had to wait till September to get them in. Around here our local lockers are over run with work.
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All I'm wondering is how producers are hurt by rising prices.
I am not hurt, just missing out.
No subsidy needed but I'll take it. I work for my welfare damnit...lol Work? HA! Riding around in a fancy "farm" truck looking for COCK is work? Did you shoot a deer yet? Save some feed for your cows ya' know.
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You can still try and buy from your local producer and go through a local locker. That's what we do... Beef comes from only 20-30 miles away, processed by a meat market in a small town... Same with pork - it ran about $2.25/# this last spring..
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